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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 23, 2021 1:07:37 GMT -6
“is just laziness which leads me to work completely in the box lately “
same here and resulted in me selling a lot of my ob a while back, but I still like some hybrid mix situations.
Spl iron typically goes on sale at Christmas for like $39, will likely grab it then.
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Post by mrholmes on Oct 23, 2021 6:28:56 GMT -6
That's funny, just wanted to ask if someone uses the Drawmer. Yes I love the PA SPL as well sounds good to me too.
the 1978 is really good (not only „for the price“). it is very flexible and has most feature and more you could dream of - all useful: saturation, dry/wet mixknob, eq/sidechain ... it really is just laziness which leads me to work completely in the box lately ...
Hit me up in case you want to Sale it....
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Post by gwlee7 on Oct 23, 2021 22:09:43 GMT -6
I've had a Drawmer '69 since they first hit. It's really simple and sounds really good. I've noticed it really helps things translate outside the studio. That said I took delivery of a Ruper Neve Designs 5424 yesterday, as I've been wanting a little more color lately. I've only messed around with it be it is a more obvious tone than the Drawmer. Tomorrow or Tuesday I'll be mixing a song for gwlee7 and I plan to make that the first mix with the Neve. It sounds really nice and tight and stuff.
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Post by drumsound on Oct 23, 2021 22:15:46 GMT -6
I've had a Drawmer '69 since they first hit. It's really simple and sounds really good. I've noticed it really helps things translate outside the studio. That said I took delivery of a Ruper Neve Designs 5424 yesterday, as I've been wanting a little more color lately. I've only messed around with it be it is a more obvious tone than the Drawmer. Tomorrow or Tuesday I'll be mixing a song for gwlee7 and I plan to make that the first mix with the Neve. It sounds really nice and tight and stuff. Thanks, Greg! I really did spend some time trying a few things on your mix and I was quite surprised that I really liked the way the "auto" timing worked (with the fast timing) and I actually used the parallel feature and have a bit of the uncompressed signal in there. This is a deep box, and I'm already really impressed.
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Post by deaconblues on Oct 24, 2021 17:03:19 GMT -6
This is a deep box, and I'm already really impressed. Same here. Loving mine. Even with somewhat simple controls, you can get dramatically different results out of it. There’s a lot to learn, and I’m looking forward to having a more commanding control over its tricks. Right now, though, it’s a lot of fun to second and third guess my compression decisions and keep experimenting on low-risk personal projects.
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Post by drumsound on Oct 26, 2021 7:55:17 GMT -6
This is a deep box, and I'm already really impressed. Same here. Loving mine. Even with somewhat simple controls, you can get dramatically different results out of it. There’s a lot to learn, and I’m looking forward to having a more commanding control over its tricks. Right now, though, it’s a lot of fun to second and third guess my compression decisions and keep experimenting on low-risk personal projects. Yeah, it's gonna be a fun journey. I do wish it had separate attack and release controls... But there is the FAST button.
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Post by ericn on Oct 26, 2021 9:22:06 GMT -6
My 2 Bus compressor:
A varimu on a mix is heavenly but there are many solid state compressors that hands down beat out the SSL.
Tim makes a very good point, the SSL became the standard as much out of lazyness ass anything, I mean it was right there sitting in front of you. If you were using an SSL you didn’t need to patch it in , turn around or bend over. Why wouldn’t you use it?
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Post by enlav on Oct 28, 2021 14:24:09 GMT -6
Before this topic falls off the front page, I have to ask -- is anyone currently using the RND Portico II Master Buss Processor? I realize, it's more than just a compressor, but curious none the less about how it performs as a buss comp.
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Post by srb on Oct 28, 2021 17:05:23 GMT -6
Before this topic falls off the front page, I have to ask -- is anyone currently using the RND Portico II Master Buss Processor? I realize, it's more than just a compressor, but curious none the less about how it performs as a buss comp. I am. I use it almost exclusively, even with other choices available. It's fine kit for the application you seek. I really appreciate and enjoy the wet/dry capability. The stereo field manipulation is handy, too, but I tend only to use that for mastering applications. Fee free to ask any specific questions. PM works, so we don't bog this thread down. 🙂
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 28, 2021 17:49:00 GMT -6
Fine with me if you discuss it here but do as you please !
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Post by 79sg on Oct 29, 2021 8:39:05 GMT -6
I've had the RND Portico II Master Buss Processor for many years at this point. Use it for tracking, mixing, on the 2 buss and mastering. Lately I've kept it strapped to the insert for the Master channel on our RND 5060 Centerpiece. It's a very versatile piece of gear sounds great to my ears. Can run it really clean or add some silk (sometimes a lot of silk) for color. I think the limiter on it is sometimes overlooked but I find it quite effective. Some don't love the metering, I don't mind it. Srb (above) mentioned using the SFE mostly for mastering, same for me. The SFE to Comp is interesting and I'd look at the manual to see how that can be used for Mid Side. Also have a pair of Retro 176's which are really great on the 2 buss (everywhere else too) and sometimes an API 2500 but tend to keep that for guitar and or drum buss. Not inexpensive but it does a lot and well.
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Post by OtisGreying on Oct 31, 2021 19:22:04 GMT -6
I’m wondering how people like diode’s on the master bus? I’m looking at a possible purchase of the Buzz DBC for this purpose, or the Audioscape SSL route.
The 33609 seems to be very popular on master bus but obviously it’s a different beast than the buzz, and way more expensive. I wonder if diode’s work for some types of music and not for others.. can’t really get a demo unfortunately
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Post by Tbone81 on Oct 31, 2021 19:31:25 GMT -6
I’m wondering how people like diode’s on the master bus? I’m looking at a possible purchase of the Buzz DBC for this purpose, or the Audioscape SSL route. The 33609 seems to be very popular on master bus but obviously it’s a different beast than the buzz, and way more expensive. I wonder if diode’s work for some types of music and not for others.. can’t really get a demo unfortunately The Buzz DBC is can be very smooth on Mix Bus, its not nearly as heavy handed, both tone and compression wise, as the Neve 33609/2254 etc. It has a much more subtle tone. And its great on vocals, electric guitars etc. Its a very nice compressor but not a replacement for a 33609/2254...if you're looking for that tone the DBC doesn't have it, nor is it trying to.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 1, 2021 3:25:38 GMT -6
There is a used Audioscape ssl on gs asking $600.
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Post by drbill on Nov 1, 2021 18:31:58 GMT -6
re: Compression on Mix Buss..... (Does mastering count?)
Manley Vari Mu mostly. If I need more rhythmic, then the Audioscape GSSL or the Serpent SB4001 if it needs a little more grit.
Extra credit - the Locomotive 14B's can be MASSIVE. And a little more modern than the Manley. They are a tiny bit more fiddly being two units though.....
Mostly though, I don't mix with compression on the mix buss until I hit mastering... There is a new something(s) slated to be coming soon from LTL for the Silver Bullet mk2 C Mojo Amp that I'm excited to try.... The drive and blend will be nice! (Miss that on the Manley and Audioscape)
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Post by drumsound on Nov 2, 2021 6:25:17 GMT -6
I’m wondering how people like diode’s on the master bus? I’m looking at a possible purchase of the Buzz DBC for this purpose, or the Audioscape SSL route. The 33609 seems to be very popular on master bus but obviously it’s a different beast than the buzz, and way more expensive. I wonder if diode’s work for some types of music and not for others.. can’t really get a demo unfortunately I bought the Rupert Neve Designs 5424 because I wanted a more colorful option for the mix bus. I've used a Drawmer '69 forever and it's great, but I wanted to experiment with something a little more overt and it's pretty interesting. I have some tracking dates coming and I know it will get used there as well.
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Post by jhsmastering on Nov 2, 2021 6:58:00 GMT -6
Anyone here tried a Hendyamps Pollock or HCL Varis/Islander?
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Post by OtisGreying on Nov 2, 2021 22:02:10 GMT -6
I’m wondering how people like diode’s on the master bus? I’m looking at a possible purchase of the Buzz DBC for this purpose, or the Audioscape SSL route. The 33609 seems to be very popular on master bus but obviously it’s a different beast than the buzz, and way more expensive. I wonder if diode’s work for some types of music and not for others.. can’t really get a demo unfortunately I bought the Rupert Neve Designs 5424 because I wanted a more colorful option for the mix bus. I've used a Drawmer '69 forever and it's great, but I wanted to experiment with something a little more overt and it's pretty interesting. I have some tracking dates coming and I know it will get used there as well. How do you feel about the color of this unit and the feel of the compression? Is it supposed to be like a 33609?
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Post by drumsound on Nov 3, 2021 7:40:59 GMT -6
I bought the Rupert Neve Designs 5424 because I wanted a more colorful option for the mix bus. I've used a Drawmer '69 forever and it's great, but I wanted to experiment with something a little more overt and it's pretty interesting. I have some tracking dates coming and I know it will get used there as well. How do you feel about the color of this unit and the feel of the compression? Is it supposed to be like a 33609? I bought it as a more colorful option and it is. I've done two mixes with it so far and it adds weight, and isn't subtle like the '69 is. I haven't done any tracking with it, but I'm excited to try it on vocals and bass especially. It doesn't have the limiter section like a 33609, and I din't have any hands on experience with one. I think that it's closer to a modern 2245. I'm so far quite happy with it.
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Post by svart on Nov 3, 2021 8:08:43 GMT -6
Either a SSL bus compressor or 33609. 33609 is going to do more of a soft flattening while the SSL tends to exacerbate the thump. Both have their places. I almost always go with the SSL though. Since I'm now mostly ITB, I choose to use the HPF on the sidechain around 100hz. It allows the bottom end to be a little rounder sounding and it doesn't pump so hard when compressing more than a few dB, so if you go with a SSL hardware compressor, get one with the sidechain filter.
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Post by gwlee7 on Nov 3, 2021 18:48:00 GMT -6
I’m wondering how people like diode’s on the master bus? I’m looking at a possible purchase of the Buzz DBC for this purpose, or the Audioscape SSL route. The 33609 seems to be very popular on master bus but obviously it’s a different beast than the buzz, and way more expensive. I wonder if diode’s work for some types of music and not for others.. can’t really get a demo unfortunately I bought the Rupert Neve Designs 5424 because I wanted a more colorful option for the mix bus. I've used a Drawmer '69 forever and it's great, but I wanted to experiment with something a little more overt and it's pretty interesting. I have some tracking dates coming and I know it will get used there as well. I can post a mix drumsound did for my little project using the 5424 if ya’ll want over in the what are you working on forum. It isn’t mastered yet but it sounds freaking awesome.
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Post by gwlee7 on Nov 3, 2021 20:14:17 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 4, 2021 1:54:15 GMT -6
I picked up a used Warm 2 bus off reverb: had one before and liked it. Also had Audioscape and Stam mki: liked them all. Josh was supposed to send me a mkii with the Brit mod to demo but it never showed up. It was when I was starting to sell my ob, but I would have liked to have tried it as it is well reviewed. Was tempted when Seawall was selling his but with being retired it was double the price of used Warms. I like the sound of the cinemag trannies might find the Brit a little rich. Anyway, should be here Friday. If money was no object, a Manley vari mu, Stamchild and a 33609 would be tops of my list! Thx for all the insights!
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Post by drumsound on Nov 4, 2021 10:22:45 GMT -6
I bought the Rupert Neve Designs 5424 because I wanted a more colorful option for the mix bus. I've used a Drawmer '69 forever and it's great, but I wanted to experiment with something a little more overt and it's pretty interesting. I have some tracking dates coming and I know it will get used there as well. I can post a mix drumsound did for my little project using the 5424 if ya’ll want over in the what are you working on forum. It isn’t mastered yet but it sounds freaking awesome. Thanks, Greg. I had a blast both playing drums on this, and then getting a chance to mix it as well. Greg and the boys have some cool things going on down there in Tejas!
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Post by OtisGreying on Apr 7, 2022 3:36:14 GMT -6
Just got a smart C1LA and I have been very hesitant to get a mix buss compressor cause I previously felt that UAD had done a good enough job on the SSL 4K bus comp plug-in after hearing YT shootouts. But I pulled the trigger. I did some shootouts and the UAD does well, but the C1LA has shown me the missing ingredient that has alluded me my whole mixing life which is DEPTH. The UAD SSL adds that "glue" but it congests the mix in comparison to the smart, like the uad has a sublte dull-smear thing specifically in the space between the elements of the mix that may have some conflicting frequency inflormation (I think that's what im hearing), whereas the smart retains the individual elements impact when it glues everything, the elements have their own space and place in the mix is what I feel when I hear it. Welp, not going back!
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