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Post by Guitar on Oct 19, 2021 10:21:51 GMT -6
This is not meant to be a pissing contest about PRS guitars, but a general admiration of their quality and characteristics. And post pictures if you have them! I have this one guitar, a PRS SE Custom 24 that I have had for several years. At first, it was a bit, "Meh." Then I slept on it for a few years. Coming back to it, I changed the pickups several times, including changing the magnets in the pickups themselves. Ultimately, that was a waste of time and I ended up with stock Seymour Duncan pickups, Jazz in the Neck and Alnico Pro 2 in the bridge. I kind of miss not having the punch of an A5 in the bridge, but the A2 is really smooth with gain, and not overly bright as an A5 can sometimes be in this guitar. The tone I find to be "cheerful" and "fun." This is a happy sounding guitar. Which is very useful to me as someone wanting to spread joy with music. But the old trope about PRS being versatile holds true, and this is one of the best guitars I have for black metal, shreddy high gain tones, lead lines, any kind of single note playing. The middle position has a nice twang to it. It's inspiring, and I'm writing new songs with it. The only things that might still get done to it: Locking tuners, pickup covers, and little toggles to split the pickups. It's an acquired taste, but I love it. I want more PRS guitars. Tell me about yours!
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Post by Tbone81 on Oct 19, 2021 11:42:03 GMT -6
I have had a PRS Standard 22fret for close to 20 years now. Its an amazing guitar. Setup, frets, radius, intonation...all great. I did change the pickups, I've settled on a Seymour Duncan Pegasus Pegasus/Sentient set and it sounds killer. I use it as a high gain guitar but it sings beautifully for other styles as well. It really does everything well.
I also have a Santana SE. It was pretty cheap but very well made for its price point. I put some active EMG pickups in a long time ago when I went through an ill fated active pickup phase, and for heavy rock and metal this guitar KILLS! I've generally grown to hate active pickups, but on this guitar it just turned into the meanest sounding metal guitar I've ever owned so that's how I left it.
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Post by Guitar on Oct 19, 2021 12:04:49 GMT -6
Tbone81 I had an EMG experiment phase too, haha, it didn't last but I'd like to try to find somehwere that it works and can stay. I was thinking about putting a Het Set into a Supro Westbury... seems like a good idea in my head. 20 years is a hell of a long time to play a guitar so that's great for that Standard 22! The only guitar I've played that long is my American Stratocaster and it has been on reserve for a long time now as the mood has been more of a humbucker one. I guess the Seymour Duncan pickups tend to make sense in the PRS guitars. Maybe that's something of a theme I've noticed. Things I would have made fun of as a teenager but now have grown to admire. I am my own joke, years later. I was looking at the Sentient neck pickup, too... but a Jazz came up for $50 so I decided to try it, and it worked out great!
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Post by johneppstein on Oct 19, 2021 12:12:49 GMT -6
I've generally disliked PRS guitars, but I think it's mostly the pickups that I don't care for. The design and workmanship on the guitars themselves is pretty good to great, depending on the model. I have a friend over at The Purple Place who is friends with Mr. Smith, could put you in contact if you want.
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Post by Tbone81 on Oct 19, 2021 13:03:22 GMT -6
The pickups I think were always the weak link in PRS guitars.
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Post by Tbone81 on Oct 19, 2021 13:05:14 GMT -6
Tbone81 I had an EMG experiment phase too, haha, it didn't last but I'd like to try to find somehwere that it works and can stay. I was thinking about putting a Het Set into a Supro Westbury... seems like a good idea in my head. 20 years is a hell of a long time to play a guitar so that's great for that Standard 22! The only guitar I've played that long is my American Stratocaster and it has been on reserve for a long time now as the mood has been more of a humbucker one. I guess the Seymour Duncan pickups tend to make sense in the PRS guitars. Maybe that's something of a theme I've noticed. Things I would have made fun of as a teenager but now have grown to admire. I am my own joke, years later. I was looking at the Sentient neck pickup, too... but a Jazz came up for $50 so I decided to try it, and it worked out great! The great thing about the Pegasus/Sentient set is that they were designed for super low tuned heavy guitars...meaning they have much more clarity than you average 'high gain' pickups. That makes them excellent all rounders, at least for a modern sound.
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Post by johneppstein on Oct 19, 2021 13:12:27 GMT -6
The pickups I think were always the weak link in PRS guitars. Too "polite". Guitar pickups should not be "polite".
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Post by Guitar on Oct 19, 2021 13:27:16 GMT -6
The pickups I think were always the weak link in PRS guitars. Too "polite". Guitar pickups should not be "polite". Yeah I agree with that. The stock ones in my SE were so polite as to be on the dull side. The ones I have in there now are "well tempered" but at least they have a bit more character to speak of. I have heard they put a lot of energy into their pickup designs in recent years, with the TCI ones they call them, but I haven't heard any of those personally, yet.
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Post by johneppstein on Oct 19, 2021 13:37:24 GMT -6
Too "polite". Guitar pickups should not be "polite". Yeah I agree with that. The stock ones in my SE were so polite as to be on the dull side. The ones I have in there now are "well tempered" but at least they have a bit more character to speak of. I have heard they put a lot of energy into their pickup designs in recent years, with the TCI ones they call them, but I haven't heard any of those personally, yet. I'm inclinced to believe that Paul just doesn't have the same sort of ear. Maybe a jazz background? I dunno. He makes THE WORST p90 I've ever heard. when I did a P90 comparison of all the various types in GC - when they still had a proper vintage room - PRS came out dead last. A polite P90? Who you tryin' to kid?
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Post by robschnapf on Jan 4, 2022 11:54:30 GMT -6
No
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Post by srb on Jan 4, 2022 20:27:42 GMT -6
I have only played them sparingly. Not sure if it's that in-between-scale-length, or something else.
That said, I've always had a thing for that gold top McCarty model David Grissom plays. He works it.
If I was going to dive in, that'd be where I start.
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Post by Ward on Jan 5, 2022 11:13:49 GMT -6
You just have to ignore people who will try and dissuade you from buying one of the most uncomfortable and blausé sounding line of guitars made today. It's not up to them to take away your optimism that you'll be the guy who finally gets one that has all the guts and glory of a real guitar from Gibson, Fender, Gretsch, Rickenbacker, Suhr or others.
Just because someone's made a lot of guitars doesn't mean they'll al be the same, eventually the odds have to come out in someone's favor and they'll get one with some soul!
Good luck!
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Post by Guitar on Jan 5, 2022 11:23:07 GMT -6
I guess I got a good one then, lol. Great guitar. I know they're polarizing. To me that's a good thing, it means they're different enough to either like or not.
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Post by notneeson on Jan 5, 2022 21:52:46 GMT -6
I mean, let’s face it, John Mayer could sound cheesy on any make of guitar. The cheese is in the fingers.
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Post by hadaja on Jan 6, 2022 3:40:26 GMT -6
I have had my usa 1994 prs ce24 since late 90’s. Man i love this guitar. I have the bass vintage and hfs pickups in this. The newer usa dragon pickups sounds very similar but are a little more bitey. Not as bitey as those Gibson burstbucker pro’s, man those really rip your head off. Anyway there is a big difference in feel of a korean se to the usa model. Dont get me started on the combinstion of sustain and tone. Every note sings on the way up the neck of the usa model. The neck is just so delicious and feels so just right on the usa. The SE feels nealry like any other sort of modern korean neck . I guess being made in the Cort factory the specs will be similar on other brands made there. The SE pickups really suck . They dont compare to the usa pickups. I did find the hfs a little bit muddy but they work and you get used to that sound. Muddy might not correc5 term. Maybe articulate is better. But you can really pull off that Santana sound quite nicely. Also the new core S2 models are still the korean made pickups and whilst they are better they dont stack up to tone of usa made ones. I have had usa starla , mira, custom 22, ce22, another ce24 and a few s2’s and have not bought any SE models. Love the usa tremolo system - rock solid. after playing prs for a while you put a usa strat back in your hands and you can appreciate the single coil sound of a nice strat. but then you miss the versatility and just sheer raw power of your PRS so then you realise you actually need both. But i dont feel as if i ever need to get a gibson having owned a PRS. Do yourself a favour. Spend the money and buy an older ce22 or ce24 and enjoy that experience. You will always get your money back on them and you will never go back to the cheaper SE models. Just my Aud$ 0.014 cents worth (USD exchage rate adjusted).
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Post by Guitar on Jan 6, 2022 12:05:26 GMT -6
I mean, let’s face it, John Mayer could sound cheesy on any make of guitar. The cheese is in the fingers. And in the case of my two year old -- cheese is on the fingers. (LOL, I don't have any two year olds.)
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Post by Guitar on Jan 6, 2022 12:09:21 GMT -6
hadaja fantastic! I guess if I stick to this thing long enough (I've been playing it for many months in a row now,) I really should look at some USA models. I guess I should post a demonstration later, to show what I'm talking about.
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Post by dmo on Jan 7, 2022 13:50:47 GMT -6
Can't really comment on the newer guitars - but my main guitar has been my 87 Custom24 (since purchased in 1988). For my hands - it has the most playable feel and is just incredibly comfortable - even when I haven't touched a guitar for a few months. Most of my other guitars take a bit to feel comfortable with if I haven't played in a while - but not that PRS. It has also been the most stable neck I've ever seen - no major adjustments despite multiple cross country moves (22 PCS moves in 36 years), months at sea onboard ships with me, packed in containers for weeks as cargo freight shipments to Guam, Okinawa, etc - only place it didn't go were my combat deployments. I have no major issues with the pick ups - but do think the attempt to have multiple combinations with the 5 way pot and sweet switch resulted in some less than stellar tones - and it's a little awkward compared to a toggle or blade for live use. But my style/tone is mostly classic 60/70's rock and I have no problems getting the sounds I want.
In the end - it's always about what feels/sounds best to you.
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Post by wiz on Jan 12, 2022 19:59:46 GMT -6
I have a PRS SE 24
would have to be the best set up guitar from the retailer I have ever come across.
I changed the pickups in it to Vaughan Slow pickups, which were an improvement.
I have pre ordered the Silver Sky SE, to give it a try.... as I want a new stage strat type guitar... as I don't want to take my other two out anymore....too old and expensive. I went through fenders offerings...squier, venter, player, American series and didn't find anything I liked... will see how the Silver Sky SE goes. It can always go back. I like the sound of the Silver Sky pickups from what I have heard, and the couple of videos I have watched shooting out the big one vs the SE have been interesting... won't know till I play it though.
I must say the headstock doesn't do it for me on the PRS guitars.. but if every guitar that comes out of their factories is set up and plays as well as the one I have,,,, then fender and Gibson should learn from that.
cheers
Wiz
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Post by Guitar on Jan 12, 2022 20:16:53 GMT -6
wiz the neck and frets on my SE are so good! I do hear its a brand standard, like you said. Also the tuners have zero play in them, and the tremolo doesn't go out of tune hardly at all. In a way, it sort of beats my USA strats, regarding some of these details. Obviously those are nice guitars too, but you see the quality of PRS and the price of the SE line. Good luck with the Silver Sky SE! I'd like to hear more about it when you get it... This stupid blue PRS SE Custom 24 has really become a main guitar for me in the past half year or so. I used to hate it, thought about selling it, messed around with pickups, now I can't put the thing down! Just shows how an opinion can change.
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Post by Tbone81 on Jan 12, 2022 20:37:35 GMT -6
Both my PRS guitars play great, my Standard 22fret has the best factory setup of any guitar I’ve owned. For my hands the neck thickness and radius are perfect. In terms of playability, If a Les Paul and a Strat had a baby, it would be a PRS.
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Post by wiz on Jan 13, 2022 0:02:30 GMT -6
Just cancelled my order…won’t be in oz till july
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Post by phil on Jan 22, 2022 12:32:09 GMT -6
Prs excellent guitars. But ironically, I had a budget S2 custom 24 (with Korean G&B Vintage Bass and HFS pickups) and it sounded surprisingly better than my current Custom 22 (Core model with American Vintage Bass and HFS pickups). That guitar had a character that I really like, while this guitar sounds a bit muddy and lifeless in the neck pickup. I tried adjusting different pickup heights, tried changing it to a different type of pickup, and came to the conclusion that it was most likely the wood that sounded muddy. Both guitars were made in 2013 by the way.
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Post by askomiko on Jan 31, 2022 9:06:04 GMT -6
I've always wanted some outrageously expensive bling model, just for decoration. I don't like the PRS tone, it's not the pickups but something inherent in the construction, perhaps the bridge. The attack is like, "Plonk". I do have Usa made Mira, it's nice. I had a local luthier install stainless steel jumbo frets, and he did so amazing work with them, it plays like air. I had a SE Soapbar model with P90s, it was OK, a bit clunky and nowhere near as nice as core Usa models, but ok, and improved a lot with Duncan pickups. Would've been even better with bigger frets. Btw, check this out, these are the top of the line stuff that I'd love to have: www.adn.com/alaska-news/anchorage/2019/09/23/how-10-high-end-guitars-on-their-way-to-hong-kong-wound-up-in-anchorage-classrooms/
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