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Post by jacobamerritt on Oct 6, 2021 11:57:03 GMT -6
Is anyone using the new Mac Mini M1 with 8GB / 256gb SSD?
Debating if I should go for the 16GB version, or if the M1 is so powerful its not necessary...
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Post by Tbone81 on Oct 6, 2021 12:22:32 GMT -6
I would seriously wait a month till the M1x comes out, if for no other reason than the current M1 mini might go down in price. That's what I'm waiting for. For what its worth, I'll be getting 16gb (or more) of ram because some how no matter how powerful my computer I always manage to max it out.
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Post by jacobamerritt on Oct 6, 2021 15:04:11 GMT -6
I would seriously wait a month till the M1x comes out, if for no other reason than the current M1 mini might go down in price. That's what I'm waiting for. For what its worth, I'll be getting 16gb (or more) of ram because some how no matter how powerful my computer I always manage to max it out. Im curious how much lower Apple would sell the current M1 Minis. They're already surprisingly affordable for what they are. My understanding is the new Minis will be more 'power user' focused and not that close to the price of the current M1 Minis. |
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Post by the other mark williams on Oct 6, 2021 16:08:14 GMT -6
I would seriously wait a month till the M1x comes out, if for no other reason than the current M1 mini might go down in price. That's what I'm waiting for. For what its worth, I'll be getting 16gb (or more) of ram because some how no matter how powerful my computer I always manage to max it out. Im curious how much lower Apple would sell the current M1 Minis. They're already surprisingly affordable for what they are. My understanding is the new Minis will be more 'power user' focused and not that close to the price of the current M1 Minis. Even if that's true, once the next Mini is introduced, there are likely to be a number of people selling their M1 Mini secondhand with only like a year's use on it. Personally, I've been running a Mini M1 with 16GB RAM since February. It's been a really good machine. But I wish I could have more RAM. Like, at least 32GB. |
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Post by reddirt on Oct 6, 2021 16:11:39 GMT -6
It would seem that a price reduction on the old, or better connectivity on the new, or buyers "envy" about the possible missed out on power of the new M1x / M2 might be a reason to wait for the new one, however from what I see the the current model is the S**t anyway and perfectly capable of doing anything that many of us want our computers to do at a good price.
The new ones are going to be pricier of course and may take some time from announcement to be actually available also I would hesitate to buy a new design for several months to let any issues surface.
My thoughts are that I wouldn't haggle over the difference in Ram - I'd just get the 16 gig as insurance. As to the SSD size; well that is all down to how you run things. You could get the smaller drive if you're cash strapped - a good option would be to put the savings into an outboard drive. Myself, I would get at least a 500gig drive as well as an outboard providing readily available back up options.
I'm keen to hear other's thoughts - my 2010 MBPro is waving white flags and as you can see , I'm doing the research.
Cheers, Ross
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Post by reddirt on Oct 6, 2021 16:13:11 GMT -6
Keen to hear where you feel the lack of Ram is compromising your work Mark.
Cheers, Ross
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Post by the other mark williams on Oct 6, 2021 16:42:26 GMT -6
Keen to hear where you feel the lack of Ram is compromising your work Mark. Cheers, Ross I suppose it's debatable as to whether or not it's "compromising my work," as you put it, but it's not at all unusual for me to have open at one time: - Final Cut Pro with an active timeline and some grading
- Logic Pro with an ongoing composition for ideas, or else doing more complex audio edits than Final Cut can do
- Affinity Photo or Designer
- Safari with several tabs open either looking for catalog music or a few YouTube videos to study someone else's technique on an edit
- Maybe Motion if I'm trying to tweak a title or something
- plus stuff like my Metric Halo console, Dropbox, Command Post, mInstaller, or other junk that just needs to be open when working on all this stuff
All that stuff adds up to a lot of RAM being eaten up constantly. I'd really like to have more headroom with my RAM ceiling for safety and potentially speed.
For someone who's just doing music in a DAW, 16GB really probably is OK. It's a powerful little machine. I've got the 1TB SSD in it, and lots of outboard drives. I've been really quite happy with it overall.
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Post by reddirt on Oct 6, 2021 17:08:54 GMT -6
Thanks Mark - you are obviously really pushing your computer; mine would not involve video and would not be on the internet ; just a basic recording / mixing machine.
Cheers, Ross
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Oct 6, 2021 17:51:42 GMT -6
Keen to hear where you feel the lack of Ram is compromising your work Mark. Cheers, Ross I suppose it's debatable as to whether or not it's "compromising my work," as you put it, but it's not at all unusual for me to have open at one time: - Final Cut Pro with an active timeline and some grading
- Logic Pro with an ongoing composition for ideas, or else doing more complex audio edits than Final Cut can do
- Affinity Photo or Designer
- Safari with several tabs open either looking for catalog music or a few YouTube videos to study someone else's technique on an edit
- Maybe Motion if I'm trying to tweak a title or something
- plus stuff like my Metric Halo console, Dropbox, Command Post, mInstaller, or other junk that just needs to be open when working on all this stuff
All that stuff adds up to a lot of RAM being eaten up constantly. I'd really like to have more headroom with my RAM ceiling for safety and potentially speed.
For someone who's just doing music in a DAW, 16GB really probably is OK. It's a powerful little machine. I've got the 1TB SSD in it, and lots of outboard drives. I've been really quite happy with it overall.
That’s it? No rocket launches? No climate change modeling or genome sequencing or anything? Lightweight. |
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Post by wiz on Oct 6, 2021 19:30:42 GMT -6
I bought the 512/8G mini m1
I can make it swap out memory, but I don't really know if that is a bad thing or not.
My wife's iMac is due for replacement and we will do that over Xmas as she uses it every day to teach singing....
If the new M1(whatever) is out, I will probably buy that and get 16G mem, and only need 512G, and give her mine...
cheers
Wiz
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Post by the other mark williams on Oct 6, 2021 22:13:15 GMT -6
Thanks Mark - you are obviously really pushing your computer; mine would not involve video and would not be on the internet ; just a basic recording / mixing machine. Cheers, Ross In your case, Ross, I wouldn’t anticipate any real problems. For what you need it to do, it’s more than capable. 👍 |
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 7, 2021 3:33:10 GMT -6
As the m1 ram is not upgradable, I’d say get the 16 as insurance.
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Post by mjheck on Oct 7, 2021 9:46:40 GMT -6
I have an M1 min (16/500) and an M1 Air (8/500) and incredibly, can run Logic x on either. The mini can certainly handle a bit more (I use a fair amount of Nebula when mixing) but both beat the pants off of my 2012 i7 iMac and my 2015 MacBook Pro, which both decided to fail within a month of each other (otherwise, I had not planned on switching everything).
At this point, the only real pain in the ass is IZotope is not compatible yet. I really miss RX. I write them every time they email me a new upgrade offer, but no luck yet. Otherwise the M1 experience has been pretty fantastic.
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Post by wiz on Oct 7, 2021 15:22:54 GMT -6
I have an M1 min (16/500) and an M1 Air (8/500) and incredibly, can run Logic x on either. The mini can certainly handle a bit more (I use a fair amount of Nebula when mixing) but both beat the pants off of my 2012 i7 iMac and my 2015 MacBook Pro, which both decided to fail within a month of each other (otherwise, I had not planned on switching everything). At this point, the only real pain in the ass is IZotope is not compatible yet. I really miss RX. I write them every time they email me a new upgrade offer, but no luck yet. Otherwise the M1 experience has been pretty fantastic. I use isotope plug ins every day on myM1 Mac mini……they run under Rosetta cheers Wiz |
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Post by mjheck on Oct 7, 2021 16:28:23 GMT -6
Thanks Wiz! I am using Rosetta as well - not sure what my issue is then. The company keeps telling me it isn't supported yet, but I honestly haven't even tried it since December.
Thanks - I'll give it another shot!
JMH
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Post by the other mark williams on Oct 7, 2021 19:47:53 GMT -6
I have an M1 min (16/500) and an M1 Air (8/500) and incredibly, can run Logic x on either. The mini can certainly handle a bit more (I use a fair amount of Nebula when mixing) but both beat the pants off of my 2012 i7 iMac and my 2015 MacBook Pro, which both decided to fail within a month of each other (otherwise, I had not planned on switching everything). At this point, the only real pain in the ass is IZotope is not compatible yet. I really miss RX. I write them every time they email me a new upgrade offer, but no luck yet. Otherwise the M1 experience has been pretty fantastic. I use isotope plug ins every day on myM1 Mac mini……they run under Rosetta cheers Wiz Thanks Wiz! I am using Rosetta as well - not sure what my issue is then. The company keeps telling me it isn't supported yet, but I honestly haven't even tried it since December. Thanks - I'll give it another shot! JMH I use RX standalone under Rosetta, too. No problems. EXCEPT that I can’t get any iZotope plugs to run in Final Cut anymore - even when I’m running Final Cut in Rosetta mode. |
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Post by mrholmes on Oct 7, 2021 19:57:40 GMT -6
I have an M1 min (16/500) and an M1 Air (8/500) and incredibly, can run Logic x on either. The mini can certainly handle a bit more (I use a fair amount of Nebula when mixing) but both beat the pants off of my 2012 i7 iMac and my 2015 MacBook Pro, which both decided to fail within a month of each other (otherwise, I had not planned on switching everything). At this point, the only real pain in the ass is IZotope is not compatible yet. I really miss RX. I write them every time they email me a new upgrade offer, but no luck yet. Otherwise the M1 experience has been pretty fantastic. I am also on the fence mini 8 or 16. Would you be so kind to run the new Logic X benchmark test on both, please. I am keen to know at which track count the CPUs strikes..... music-prod.com/logic-pro-x-benchmarks/ |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Oct 7, 2021 21:17:18 GMT -6
I have an M1 min (16/500) and an M1 Air (8/500) and incredibly, can run Logic x on either. The mini can certainly handle a bit more (I use a fair amount of Nebula when mixing) but both beat the pants off of my 2012 i7 iMac and my 2015 MacBook Pro, which both decided to fail within a month of each other (otherwise, I had not planned on switching everything). At this point, the only real pain in the ass is IZotope is not compatible yet. I really miss RX. I write them every time they email me a new upgrade offer, but no luck yet. Otherwise the M1 experience has been pretty fantastic. I am also on the fence mini 8 or 16. Would you be so kind to run the new Logic X benchmark test on both, please. I am keen to know at which track count the CPUs strikes..... music-prod.com/logic-pro-x-benchmarks/I strongly advise anyone to max out RAM in any machine that can’t be upgraded. My two cents. |
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Post by reddirt on Oct 7, 2021 23:27:48 GMT -6
This bloke is great value - well worth a look; answers a lot of our questions.
Cheers, Ross
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Post by reddirt on Oct 7, 2021 23:32:33 GMT -6
This gentleman in the review immediately above had issues with third party plugs in Logic on an M1 ; once he ran the host program ( Logic ) under Rosetta his issues went away.
Cheers, Ross
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Post by the other mark williams on Oct 10, 2021 1:10:12 GMT -6
This gentleman in the review immediately above had issues with third party plugs in Logic on an M1 ; once he ran the host program ( Logic ) under Rosetta his issues went away. Cheers, Ross Yes, problems can happen if you try to run a plugin that has no ARM universal binary version in the ARM version of a DAW. If you need to use plugins that still don't have ARM versions (and personally, I do need to do that...), then you need to run your DAW in Rosetta mode. Easily done in Logic. Not sure about other DAWs.
I will be very happy when all my plugins have native ARM versions. But honestly, I don't have to think about this very often - the Rosetta version of Logic is solid and smooth.
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 10, 2021 2:14:07 GMT -6
Rosetta2 basically is an Intel mode so anything that ran on the Intel chip should run m1.
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Post by Mister Chase on Oct 10, 2021 8:47:03 GMT -6
Im curious how much lower Apple would sell the current M1 Minis. They're already surprisingly affordable for what they are. My understanding is the new Minis will be more 'power user' focused and not that close to the price of the current M1 Minis. Even if that's true, once the next Mini is introduced, there are likely to be a number of people selling their M1 Mini secondhand with only like a year's use on it. Personally, I've been running a Mini M1 with 16GB RAM since February. It's been a really good machine. But I wish I could have more RAM. Like, at least 32GB. Same here. I've run out of system memory on occasion. It all depends on the work you need to do. |
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Post by Mister Chase on Oct 10, 2021 8:48:27 GMT -6
This gentleman in the review immediately above had issues with third party plugs in Logic on an M1 ; once he ran the host program ( Logic ) under Rosetta his issues went away. Cheers, Ross Yes, problems can happen if you try to run a plugin that has no ARM universal binary version in the ARM version of a DAW. If you need to use plugins that still don't have ARM versions (and personally, I do need to do that...), then you need to run your DAW in Rosetta mode. Easily done in Logic. Not sure about other DAWs.
I will be very happy when all my plugins have native ARM versions. But honestly, I don't have to think about this very often - the Rosetta version of Logic is solid and smooth.
Same here. Translation theoretically works, but we all know how that goes on computers. I've had bug issues. It'll come with time.
Apple runs native for me and its nice and smooth.
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Post by mjheck on Oct 13, 2021 13:02:07 GMT -6
 I am also on the fence mini 8 or 16. Would you be so kind to run the new Logic X benchmark test on both, please. I am keen to know at which track count the CPUs strikes..... music-prod.com/logic-pro-x-benchmarks/My apologies for taking a bit to get to this, but I ran this benchmark test this morning. I've never run one of these before, but made sure to follow the instruction on buffer and CPU set up. I let the loop play for four measures before moving on. Here is what I have: 2020 M1 Mini, 16 GB Memory (1TB storage): 62 tracks, then stalled after two or so measures with 63 tracks 2020 M1 MacBook Air, 8 GB Memory (500 GB storage): same. These were both using Rosetta 2 - I then ran then test on the Air running native (not Rosetta) and it got up to 99 tracks before it would stall in roughly the same place. I've got a few projects going on the mini, so I am not going to "un- Rosetta" it, but hopefully this provides something useful. JMH |
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