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Post by phdamage on Sept 23, 2021 13:04:14 GMT -6
I know no one can really answer this for me, but definitely curious how people feel about it in 2021.
i've always wanted to get it - was afraid to demo in case i liked it! but the price has always been prohibitive for me, and that is less so these days. gonna install the demo this weekend for tinkering, finally.
I aim for the band-in-a-room kinda thing a lot of the time and sadly my current room is pretty small. OWS on UAD is always in use for this kinda thing, but it doesn't always do all that I hope for drums, specifically. I do use Tverb sometimes and (less so) EW Spaces II and (even less so) Waves IR. impulse response verbs seem to do best for me, but is Altiverb a step up from what I've got?
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Post by seawell on Sept 23, 2021 13:15:06 GMT -6
Liquid Sonics Reverberate 3 is another good one to consider.
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Post by phdamage on Sept 23, 2021 13:23:12 GMT -6
that sure as shit is cheaper! do you prefer it over altiverb? are they close?
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Post by popmann on Sept 23, 2021 13:23:58 GMT -6
Well--you have what I REPLACED Altiverb7 with. So....obviously YMMV. But, I don't remember the last time I put reverb on drums.
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Post by ragan on Sept 23, 2021 13:29:50 GMT -6
I used Altiverb for years. It’s cool, but tough to justify for the price to my mind. To be fair, I haven’t had it for several years now so this is all from memory. But, like Josh mentioned, Reverberate 3 is my IR go-to. I love it. It’s an IR playground.
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Post by Vincent R. on Sept 23, 2021 13:41:17 GMT -6
I love Altiverb. It was one of the first big purchases I made and the rooms are incredible sounding. That said, I'm generally working on Classical or Jazz or something in between. So having access to Sydney Opera House or some really great stage spaces is useful to place both real and virtual instruments/orchestras in. Still, I use one of the Slate Verb Suite Classics settings for almost all my vocals these days. Options are good.
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Post by yotonic on Sept 23, 2021 13:51:27 GMT -6
I still use it alongside outboard reverbs from TC & Lex
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Post by Guitar on Sept 23, 2021 13:59:32 GMT -6
Too expensive for me. I use IK Sunset Sound (love it!) mostly. Don't have Ocean Way yet. I also got this free one called Inspirata that I use occasionally.
But I agree with you, IR's seem to be the way to go for these studio/room sounds.
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Post by seawell on Sept 23, 2021 14:56:11 GMT -6
that sure as shit is cheaper! do you prefer it over altiverb? are they close? The Bricasti M7 library that comes with Reverberate may be exactly what you're looking for(realistic rooms). For whatever reason, I prefer it to their Seventh Heaven plug in. You'd think they'd be the same but I swear the M7 library in Reverberate 3 has more width to me. I still own Altiverb so I'll see if I can compare both a bit tonight and let you know my thoughts. |
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Post by bradd on Sept 23, 2021 16:21:52 GMT -6
Well--you have what I REPLACED Altiverb7 with. So....obviously YMMV. But, I don't remember the last time I put reverb on drums. You either have a large room or like dry drums. |
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Post by yotonic on Sept 24, 2021 0:08:45 GMT -6
Right now you can’t be in music production if money matters. Sadly, thanks to Silicon Valley being in the music business is akin to owning a vineyard.
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Post by Ward on Sept 24, 2021 4:46:47 GMT -6
Right now you can’t be in music production if money matters. Sadly, thanks to Silicon Valley being in the music business is akin to owning a vineyard. When you put it that way... it's kind of appealing. Every girl and her cat with a macbook or laptop and a 2 i/o Focusrite interface and an MXL mic thinks they're a recording engineer about to become the next big Billie Eilish or brother. So the business is kind of marginalized anyhow. |
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Post by popmann on Sept 24, 2021 11:27:44 GMT -6
Well--you have what I REPLACED Altiverb7 with. So....obviously YMMV. But, I don't remember the last time I put reverb on drums. You either have a large room or like dry drums. Neither. Ive added room mic samples for at least the last decade. Its SO much more authentic and easier than reverb. previously, sure i had to dedicate a nice true stereo box JUST to getting a flattering space/depth around the drums….THEN another for longer ambience on shells….it was a whole big thing back then. I feel like ive detailed this here before but i replace NOTHING….I add mics that didnt exist in the recording. Most just stick a mic inside the kick. I NEED an out. I get a “perfect” out by triggering it from the inside mic—no need to key gate it or anything like an actual outside mic that isnt fig8 in a big room…. |
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Post by mrholmes on Sept 24, 2021 14:13:14 GMT -6
I used Altiverb for years. It’s cool, but tough to justify for the price to my mind. To be fair, I haven’t had it for several years now so this is all from memory. But, like Josh mentioned, Reverberate 3 is my IR go-to. I love it. It’s an IR playground.
I had it for years, too, and I was impressed by the idea but also overwhelmed by the choices. I sold my license... Furthermore, I get the point of the price they travel around the globe to get IR's of rare places such as Temples in India, which is funny in one way.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2021 15:37:34 GMT -6
Relab Sonsig is great too.
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Post by phdamage on Oct 2, 2021 18:51:00 GMT -6
I demoed it and, sure enough, promptly bought it! It slays! Dunno why EW spaces II isn’t even close to this. Damn. Don’t even mind how small my drum room is with this thing!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2021 13:51:13 GMT -6
I bought it a long time ago and use it to this day, but I would question if I would pay what they're asking today, since I reach for other things (algorithmics, OWR, plates and springs) more often. Still, it has come to me already instantiated in the session so many times, it's been worth it to own.
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Post by bluegrassdan on Oct 4, 2021 8:41:24 GMT -6
I use it all the time. Very versatile.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 4, 2021 15:34:23 GMT -6
I remember liking how clean Altiverb sounded, but the reverb that felt the most natural to me has always been the Exponential Phoenixverb. I also have their R2 and Excaliber but haven't used them yet.
The best reverb is also style dependent in some cases. If you listen to a Paul O'Dette live recording, there's an amazing natural reverb that's pretty big and his lute sounds amazing. Despite the superb quality of the Relab XL480, the Liquid Sonics 7th Heaven, and others, I find the very colored UAD EMT-140 plate plug-in is the only one that gives me that same vibe.
So it's good to have choices. I use the UAD Ocean Way judiciously across all the tracks, dial it in until I hear the room, then back off a pinch. The 7th Heaven is my main reverb, especially on vocals. I then chose from the Relab XL-480, the Phoenix Verb, UAD EMT 140 or the Sound Toys Little late if i need a bit more of something.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2021 15:48:16 GMT -6
I remember liking how clean Altiverb sounded, but the reverb that felt the most natural to me has always been the Exponential Phoenixverb. I also have their R2 and Excaliber but haven't used them yet. The best reverb is also style dependent in some cases. If you listen to a Paul O'Dette live recording, there's an amazing natural reverb that's pretty big and his lute sounds amazing. Despite the superb quality of the Relab XL480, the Liquid Sonics 7th Heaven, and others, I find the very colored UAD EMT-140 plate plug-in is the only one that gives me that same vibe. So it's good to have choices. I use the UAD Ocean Way judiciously across all the tracks, dial it in until I hear the room, then back off a pinch. The 7th Heaven is my main reverb, especially on vocals. I then chose from the Relab XL-480, the Phoenix Verb, UAD EMT 140 or the Sound Toys Little late if i need a bit more of something. Not to get OT, but R2 is my favorite of Michael's reverbs. It's just more interesting and colorful, which suits me. And yes on the O'Dette—I love Robin is to the Greenwood Gone (I think it's called) which is one of my desert-island audio ref discs. How that reverb sound is conjured, I will always be chasing. But that example is one that seems like a good example for Altiverb... some of those church spaces and others could have some of the special sauce. |
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 4, 2021 16:43:14 GMT -6
I don't disagree llstudio, the Altiverb would probably be a great choice too! The thing is, with all the reverb choices I have now, there's nothing about Altiverb that would make me feel I need it so much that I would prioritize that over so many other things I need. For instance, I just ordered a heavy duty mic stand yesterday and picked up an SM57 last week. Personally if I can't get the reverb sound I want with all the plugs I have, I probably need hardware or a mic in a real room, ha! * Of course in O'Dette's case, he's such a brilliant player that he works his timing within the reverb of the room, so you'd need a player that sensitive to do the same with reverb in the cans to get closer. If you do have UAD's EMT-140, try if for that kind of sound, it's spooky close  |
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Post by phdamage on Oct 4, 2021 20:31:12 GMT -6
that sure as shit is cheaper! do you prefer it over altiverb? are they close? The Bricasti M7 library that comes with Reverberate may be exactly what you're looking for(realistic rooms). For whatever reason, I prefer it to their Seventh Heaven plug in. You'd think they'd be the same but I swear the M7 library in Reverberate 3 has more width to me. I still own Altiverb so I'll see if I can compare both a bit tonight and let you know my thoughts. So after some positive remarks about reverberate, I snagged a secondhand license for cheap. Am I a dunce in navigating it? I can’t find the m7 stuff, is it not labeled as such? |
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Post by seawell on Oct 4, 2021 21:34:09 GMT -6
The Bricasti M7 library that comes with Reverberate may be exactly what you're looking for(realistic rooms). For whatever reason, I prefer it to their Seventh Heaven plug in. You'd think they'd be the same but I swear the M7 library in Reverberate 3 has more width to me. I still own Altiverb so I'll see if I can compare both a bit tonight and let you know my thoughts. So after some positive remarks about reverberate, I snagged a secondhand license for cheap. Am I a dunce in navigating it? I can’t find the m7 stuff, is it not labeled as such? They are actually a separate download so that's probably why you aren't seeing them yet. You can find them here: www.liquidsonics.com/fusion-ir/reverberate-3/ |
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Post by earlevel on Oct 5, 2021 0:35:08 GMT -6
Not to get OT, but R2 is my favorite of Michael's reverbs. It's just more interesting and colorful, which suits me. I picked up Phoenix and R2 a while back on "the deal"—didn't need yet another reverb, but curious. I've only used R2, but I have to say this is the one reverb where I can just pull up a preset and, yep, it works. If I'm looking for a medium vocal reverb, I'll pull one up and it's fine as-is. And if I want to hear it with a small room or plate, that will also sound fine. For me, it's not so much "wow, amazing sounding reverb" as it is "dam, that just sits in the track seamlessly". I've never owned Altiverb, long admired it. (Speakerphone too.) I just don't need big beautiful spaces, and kind of pricey for routine space. But I'd always stop by and chat with Arjen at the shows (NAMM mainly). (Audio Ease had some kind of plugin host AU:VST or the other direction, way way back, I recognized some kind of system issue with it and told him the workaround, because I had just been dealing with it, that's how we initially met.) Just saying I have a very positive view of his stuff. |
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Post by thehightenor on Oct 5, 2021 1:06:58 GMT -6
I've always avoided all forms of IR's .... there's something really "static" about them that I just can't past.
I've spent a lot of money over the years on IR library's and I they always end up un installed when I do a PC or OS refresh.
I considerably prefer algorithmic reverb - I do use OWS by UAD (which I realise is IR's) but that's currently my only IR library
there's something about the UAD implementation of OWS that works for me - maybe it's just the GUI I'm sold on 😁
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