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Post by mjheck on Nov 24, 2021 15:32:52 GMT -6
No. Just the Acustica Acqua stuff in general. I have a fair number of their Acqua plugins. The problem between Acustica and Mac has never been limited to just certain plugins. The Acustica architecture in general just hasn't historically played nice with Macs, at least when compared to PC. I can't offer anything too formal, but my basic template in Logic uses four N4 Nebula reverbs, Aqua Lemon Delay and typically four more N4 instances for color for the Henry Olanga stuff on busses. I also run lots of Tokyo Dawn Labs stuff on insane mode were I can. Where I run into problems is if I am trying to do both of the above AND bounce in real time using the IO plug in to send something to outboard. I cannot do all three - something has to give. I can do two : ). I am running the latest versions of everything on an M1 Mac mini (16GB) using Logic in Rosetta. I work 24/96. I've found the Aqua plug ins tend to be the first thing to start to crap out. But If I am staying in the box, none of it is a problem. However, I don't think I have tried to use more than ten stereo instances of N4. Not sure if this unscientific jumble helps, but maybe it at least gives sone idea. MJH
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 24, 2021 15:41:48 GMT -6
Interesting, can’t see how the I/o plug in would consume much dsp?
Have you ever measured its consumption?
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Post by mjheck on Nov 24, 2021 15:44:26 GMT -6
I don't think it is the IO plug in per se, but the real time processing as opposed to bouncing off line. In other words, it will play just fine using the IO plug in and all, and typically even get all the way through playback without issue. It is only when I have to do a real time bounce that I am forced to chose between switching the TDL plugs back down to precise mode or finding substitutes for the Nebula color and reverbs.
If that makes sense - I may not have understood the observation.
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Post by sirthought on Nov 25, 2021 5:02:31 GMT -6
I was looking at this. It seems pretty cool, although pricey. My big concern with any combo product like this is if one portion of the product fails. I've had hubs that crap out after a year or so. It does have a three year warranty. Kinda weird that they are making it accept SATA or NVMe, but you can't utilize both. There are SATA enclosures and NVMe enclosures much cheaper that allow transfers with Thunderbolt 3—but they aren't hubs as well. EDIT: I just saw the advertised transfer speed is 770MB/s, which is fine, but slow compared what you should be able to do with TB 4. They say this will not work with older computers using legacy TB 1 or 2, even if using Apple's adapter. They also claim it's the first TB 4 storage solution, which it's not, as I already posted a link to an enclosure that is already on the market. No big deal, but people should know there are choices.
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Post by enlav on Nov 25, 2021 8:16:31 GMT -6
Hey guys.
Been keeping up with the thread and I wasn't 100% sure what the right route would be.
The mac mini seems like a great stop gap until I have the budget for another pc rig, and actually can do anything I need now with a few equipment upgrades.
16gb for ram seems safe enough. But SSD space is another question, some have reported having a freed up SSD keeps performance peak and is more important in most cases for basic processing. When you factor in DAWs, NLEs, and various plug-in suites, I'm starting to think that 256 might not be sufficient if I wanted to keep around half the drive free.
Am I off base with that thought?
Additionally, when using TB SSDs, would daisy chaining them be the best route for saving port space and maintaining read and write performance? (Say, if larger sample libraries were on one and the other is a record drive.)
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Post by ml on Nov 25, 2021 8:31:45 GMT -6
Hey guys. Been keeping up with the thread and I wasn't 100% sure what the right route would be. The mac mini seems like a great stop gap until I have the budget for another pc rig, and actually can do anything I need now with a few equipment upgrades. 16gb for ram seems safe enough. But SSD space is another question, some have reported having a freed up SSD keeps performance peak and is more important in most cases for basic processing. When you factor in DAWs, NLEs, and various plug-in suites, I'm starting to think that 256 might not be sufficient if I wanted to keep around half the drive free. Am I off base with that thought? Additionally, when using TB SSDs, would daisy chaining them be the best route for saving port space and maintaining read and write performance? (Say, if larger sample libraries were on one and the other is a record drive.) I’d recommend the 512 as a baseline. I just got my m1 mini and opted for the 1TB ssd. I’m still in the process of installing everything and i already have over 50gb of software installed. All of my samples are on an external drive. I’m thinking about picking up the Sandisk 1TB Costco deal for $99 for photo and video scratch.
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Post by sirthought on Nov 25, 2021 11:56:45 GMT -6
I think 1 terabyte is safer.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 26, 2021 15:25:03 GMT -6
Diy external Tb3 drive!
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Post by mrholmes on Nov 26, 2021 19:50:43 GMT -6
I am running my M1 Mac Mini 16 GB RAM since today. First intial startup was a PITA - because of BT toruble. Somone must have had a bad day in CA, no BT conenction on intial startup?
I am not 100% studio ready yet, still installing software but just using the machine in the setup process gives me a feeling how powerful this technology is. I am still using the OLD external SSDs, the SLOW ones, comapred to the newer ones. I dont miss anything yet and I am pretty happy... by now.
More will come....
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Post by sirthought on Nov 26, 2021 20:18:48 GMT -6
This is what I've done, but my enclosure allows for TB 4 and USB 3.2. I noticed yesterday the price had dropped $28 from what I spent, but today it seems to be back up. Still, it's cheaper than what the video uses, it's aluminum, and a little larger, so cooling should be easier. www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08P7L6SDD/
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Post by mike on Nov 26, 2021 21:00:36 GMT -6
This is what I've done, but my enclosure allows for TB 4 and USB 3.2. I noticed yesterday the price had dropped $28 from what I spent, but today it seems to be back up. Still, it's cheaper than what the video uses, it's aluminum, and a little larger, so cooling should be easier. www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08P7L6SDD/
I've been thinking about my external SSD options as I plan to buy a 16" Macbook pro M1 Pro after Jan.1 in a few weeks.
Do you have a link to the SSD you installed in your enclosure & cable you used ?
how long ago and have you had any heat issues with it?
thanks!
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Post by sirthought on Nov 26, 2021 21:17:33 GMT -6
This is what I've done, but my enclosure allows for TB 4 and USB 3.2. I noticed yesterday the price had dropped $28 from what I spent, but today it seems to be back up. Still, it's cheaper than what the video uses, it's aluminum, and a little larger, so cooling should be easier. www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08P7L6SDD/
I've been thinking about my external SSD options as I plan to buy a 16" Macbook pro M1 Pro after Jan.1 in a few weeks.
Do you have a link to the SSD you installed in your enclosure & cable you used ?
how long ago and have you had it and any heat issues with it?
thanks! I'm still waiting for the enclosure to arrive, as I just ordered it a week or so ago. The SSD I ordered is a WD_BLACK 1TB SN750 NVMe Gen 3. This was based off a reviewer who detailed the different drives he tried with the enclosure and getting performance to price. Look at Amazon reviews for the enclosure maybe with the search term M1 and you should see it. Few enclosures will give you the top performance advertised, which is usually assuming you install the drive in a computer. So you could get a newer drive boasting better numbers, but it might not matter in the enclosure, so why spend more? I learned about the enclosure I think through Tom's Guide or a site like that. Got a very thorough review that was favorable. Being a bit larger and aluminum, I'm thinking the heat will be better than some of the smaller ones, but you can also look at adding a thermal strip to help.
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Post by enlav on Nov 27, 2021 20:03:01 GMT -6
All right guys, I caved and ordered an M1 mini.
As a result, I'm now having to rethink the interface upgrade path and everything else now with the inclusion of Thunderbolt.
Even if I upgrade down the road, I think this thing will be killer for remote work.
(Now it's time to convinced myself NOT to buy an Aurora(n) or Pro Tools Carbon.)
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 27, 2021 20:25:18 GMT -6
Congrats.
I love my N, but do wish the sd card was modular, rather than mandatory.
It adds to the cost and I doubt I will ever use it: would rather have the pre module.
Ymmv !
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Post by sirthought on Nov 28, 2021 4:23:57 GMT -6
All right guys, I caved and ordered an M1 mini. As a result, I'm now having to rethink the interface upgrade path and everything else now with the inclusion of Thunderbolt. Even if I upgrade down the road, I think this thing will be killer for remote work. (Now it's time to convinced myself NOT to buy an Aurora(n) or Pro Tools Carbon.) It will be interesting moving forward. Will DSP on something like Carbon or Apollo add any benefit to processing audio with plugins in large projects? I don't know. I haven't had a large tracking session yet, so I haven't the M1 Pro's performance in that situation. For mixing it has handled whatever I've attempted. If you are really interested in a new interface, I'd really look at that new Metric Halo ULN 8 MKIV. No planned obsolescence could be a real advantage moving forward with these new chipsets. And Metric Halo's software is listed as running native, unlike most of the others.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 28, 2021 6:56:04 GMT -6
Your reference to dsp, am I misunderstanding you, as the on board apollo dsp will certainly help, but only for UA plug ins ?
Good point about Metric Halo , it has a sale on now.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2021 9:43:09 GMT -6
All right guys, I caved and ordered an M1 mini. As a result, I'm now having to rethink the interface upgrade path and everything else now with the inclusion of Thunderbolt. Even if I upgrade down the road, I think this thing will be killer for remote work. (Now it's time to convinced myself NOT to buy an Aurora(n) or Pro Tools Carbon.) It will be interesting moving forward. Will DSP on something like Carbon or Apollo add any benefit to processing audio with plugins in large projects? I don't know. I haven't had a large tracking session yet, so I haven't the M1 Pro's performance in that situation. For mixing it has handled whatever I've attempted. If you are really interested in a new interface, I'd really look at that new Metric Halo ULN 8 MKIV. No planned obsolescence could be a real advantage moving forward with these new chipsets. And Metric Halo's software is listed as running native, unlike most of the others. Only if you want to use UAD plugs or what’s available for Pro Tools HDX. Most of the better modern plugs are not and you can run a million McDSP plugs anyway native. Or just Freeze better ones. Metric Halo is only guaranteeing delivery in Q3 2022. If you want low round trip latency, RME and Lynx (not over usb) are still the sanest options. If you can’t afford RME and need usb and low rtl, Steinberg.
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Post by Quint on Nov 28, 2021 15:28:07 GMT -6
So for you guys with the new 2020 M1 Macs, it sounds like the general consensus is to go with at least a 512gb internal SSD and 16gb ram, yes?
I mean I could get a cheap 256gb, 8gb ram M1 for under $600 right now with the sales, but I imagine I'd just be regretting that purchase down the road.
I really don't want to buy a Mac right now (or ever) but Luna keeps tempting me and who knows when UA will support Luna on PC. I guess the nice thing is that Macs tend to hold their value, so I could always sell the Mac next year if/when UA begins to support Luna on PC. I built a pretty nice PC not too long ago and just hate to give up on it.
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Post by sirthought on Nov 28, 2021 15:33:45 GMT -6
So for you guys with the new 2020 M1 Macs, it sounds like the general consensus is to go with at least a 512gb internal SSD and 16gb ram, yes? I mean I could get a cheap 256gb, 8gb ram M1 for under $600 right now with the sales, but I imagine I'd just be regretting that purchase down the road. I really don't want to buy a Mac right now (or ever) but Luna keeps tempting me and who knows when UA will support Luna on PC. I guess the nice thing is that Macs tend to hold their value, so I could always sell the Mac next year if/when UA begins to support Luna on PC. I built a pretty nice PC not too long ago and just hate to give up on it. I wouldn't go that route just for Luna. Not worth it for just the one application when you can produce good music elsewhere.
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Post by Quint on Nov 28, 2021 15:45:22 GMT -6
So for you guys with the new 2020 M1 Macs, it sounds like the general consensus is to go with at least a 512gb internal SSD and 16gb ram, yes? I mean I could get a cheap 256gb, 8gb ram M1 for under $600 right now with the sales, but I imagine I'd just be regretting that purchase down the road. I really don't want to buy a Mac right now (or ever) but Luna keeps tempting me and who knows when UA will support Luna on PC. I guess the nice thing is that Macs tend to hold their value, so I could always sell the Mac next year if/when UA begins to support Luna on PC. I built a pretty nice PC not too long ago and just hate to give up on it. I wouldn't go that route just for Luna. Not worth it for just the one application when you can produce good music elsewhere. I hear what you're saying, but I'm already pretty fully ensconced in the UAD world. Also, the simplicity of Luna is what really appeals to me. I've never been one to do a bunch of DAW sorcery and prefer to use the DAW as more of a tape machine than anything else. So I'd be going into this with my eyes open. If Luna was already on PC, I'd have already made the jump. The workflow of Luna seems right up my alley and I would love to not have to move back and forth between Console and Reaper. Like I said, the workflow of Luna just really appeals. It just comes down to whether or not it will be on Mac or PC. So my question still stands about Mac specs.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 28, 2021 16:12:34 GMT -6
I have a 256, 16 g m1, seems fine, but I was careful with what I installed. Kinda dedicated to recording.
The current m1 is a very good price/ performance point. We all know the new m1x will be more powerful , likely have more I/o and will be more expensive.
Pick your poison.
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Post by Quint on Nov 28, 2021 16:23:49 GMT -6
I have a 256, 16 g m1, seems fine, but I was careful with what I installed. Kinda dedicated to recording. The current m1 is a very good price/ performance point. We all know the new m1x will be more powerful , likely have more I/o and will be more expensive. Pick your poison. We'll it goes without saying that this would be dedicated for recording. VI samples can pretty quickly fill up a drive though. 256 kind of worries me. 512 might be okay, but I was wondering if others might suggest that a 1tb is the way to go. Also, 16gb honestly seems a little low to me, as I have 32gb on my PC and was probably going to upgrade that to 64 at some point. But 16gb is the highest you can get with the M1 Mini. However, the integrated ram, or whatever they're calling it, made me wonder if 16gb might perform similar to what I'm used to with 32gb? Who knows when M1X will become available for the Mini or what it will cost. Anyway, I'm just mostly thinking out loud. I'm not to keen to spring for the top of the line Mini right now because of cost, so it would likely have to either be the 256gb 16gb (or 8gb?) Mini or just stay with my PC and see what happens with future Luna announcements and the imminent release of the M1X Mini.
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 28, 2021 16:30:25 GMT -6
Understood,
I tried to only put my software on my boot drive, but sure 1TB would be better.
If you put your libraries on an external tb ssd, that will maximize the efficiency of your boot systems drive.
Well, it you regretted buying a current m1 mini when the new m1x drops, you could trade it in or sell it ?
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Post by ml on Nov 28, 2021 17:31:57 GMT -6
I was surprised how easily my Motu 8A transitioned to my new m1 mini with a simple thunderbolt 2 to 3 adapter. I literally just plugged it in and everything works.. and at much lower sample buffer than my old MBP. I was working at 32 buffer today which was impossible before.
Also i have been running photoshop, final cut, light room, after effects, premiere pro and haven't even hit swap yet with 16gb ram, impressive!
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Post by kcatthedog on Nov 28, 2021 18:52:34 GMT -6
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