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Post by svart on Sept 7, 2021 6:55:01 GMT -6
Well it has for me, several times. Either you need to do a thorough, careful setup or spend the money on a good tech to do it. There is no reason that a Squier Strat should be significanly worse than many or most Fender labelled ones. Electronics, now there's a bit of a problem, but mechanics? Naw. Absolutely. I tend to pick squires more for the neck profiles and then do a good setup on them. Play-ability trumps brand name every day of the week. Generally i would trade out the pickups for fenders that people upgrade and that's good enough. I've only really been able to tell the difference in a few instances. A lot of the time you can't even tell that you've changed out the pickup though, although telling the musician that you've traded out the pickups clears up any apprehension that they might have playing a "squire". Pots are usually just fine unless I want to trade out for higher impedance pots. Way too much stock is placed on the pots and the wiring affecting the sound anyway. |
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Post by bikescene on Sept 7, 2021 10:53:10 GMT -6
Why hasn't ANYONE done a 7 string Tele (real Telecaster, not a shredder shaped like a Tele) with a Low-B string added to it? And say a 25.5" scale length or optionally, a 26.5" or 27" scale-length?? I mean, this is a simple Gimme for any guitar maker to do. Fender, G&L, Suhr, Nash, etc There used to be 25.5" scale 7 string tele sold by Rondo Music under the Agile brand. They had a few offbeat extended range 6 string guitars in the lower mid price range for Korean-made guitars. I have a Squier Vintage Modified Jazzmaster Baritone, now discontinued. It's tuned to A standard and I think the the 30" scale length helps with the intonation. I had been looking at the Fender Blacktop HSS Tele Baritone at the time, but read that some users had trouble getting the intonation set on the low string with its 27" scale. I've thought about adding a Gretsch Electromatic Jet baritone with mini humbuckers, but I have to remind myself that I don't need any more guitars. |
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Post by Guitar on Sept 7, 2021 14:41:53 GMT -6
New Squiers are better than old ones, generally speaking. Although, yes, there are some vintage gems out there in Squire world among the drek.
I'd be happy with any of the options mentioned in this thread. I agree with John maybe the PRS is "not for me," though. What is right about them is wrong for me, tit for tat.
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Post by notneeson on Sept 7, 2021 14:45:39 GMT -6
I have a friend who was Reverened endorsed years ago. he had a few of their guitars and I did some work on them. Honestly, they're just guitars. I really didn't see anything different from any other guitar that would make them worth the higher prices. Anyway, I have an ibanez baritone. Love the guitar. It's got EMG actives and aimed more towards heavy music so wouldn't quite sound like the Danelectro. Spoken like a drummer 😂. I’m kidding. Actually I’m interested in any option, and was trying to find a clip of the Ibanez baritone through a non-metal rig. I don’t need it to sound like the Dano because I can always borrow one. I’m not really chasing any specific tone, but rather inspiration. |
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Post by svart on Sept 7, 2021 14:52:07 GMT -6
I have a friend who was Reverened endorsed years ago. he had a few of their guitars and I did some work on them. Honestly, they're just guitars. I really didn't see anything different from any other guitar that would make them worth the higher prices. Anyway, I have an ibanez baritone. Love the guitar. It's got EMG actives and aimed more towards heavy music so wouldn't quite sound like the Danelectro. Spoken like a drummer 😂. I’m kidding. Actually I’m interested in any option, and was trying to find a clip of the Ibanez baritone through a non-metal rig. I don’t need it to sound like the Dano because I can always borrow one. I’m not really chasing any specific tone, but rather inspiration. lol. I've actually played guitar longer than drums.. I've just never been any good at guitar while I took to the drums like a natural.. Anyway. Ibanez are sleeper guitars that always seem to be built well but folks never give them love because they don't hold any of that fantasy that names like gibson and fender do. |
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Post by Guitar on Sept 7, 2021 14:57:58 GMT -6
I am an Ibanez super fan too. I mostly play "vintage rock" or whatever you want to call it, but the Ibanez instruments are Japanese craftsmanship at is finest. I have an Iron Label RGA that is one of my favorite guitars.
Among the strats, les pauls, supros, jazzmaster, hollow bodies, etc. The Ibanez fits right in there, for my taste.
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Post by svart on Sept 7, 2021 18:06:59 GMT -6
I am an Ibanez super fan too. I mostly play "vintage rock" or whatever you want to call it, but the Ibanez instruments are Japanese craftsmanship at is finest. I have an Iron Label RGA that is one of my favorite guitars. Among the strats, les pauls, supros, jazzmaster, hollow bodies, etc. The Ibanez fits right in there, for my taste. They are definitely player's guitars. |
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Post by bgrotto on Sept 7, 2021 21:26:21 GMT -6
So my studio partner has the cheapie Dano and he gets a great sound out of it. But, it’s a maintenance hog and he has to fiddle with the neck twice a year. I’d like my own Baritone for home, and I don’t want it to be a toy. Thinking about maybe checking out the Reverend, people seem to like their stuff. Or, I could put a baritone neck in my MIJ strat, which I bright otherwise sell. But then, would I like my current pickups for that or is it a can of worms. Any thoughts? I am a reverend dealer, though we're winding the sales stuff down these days cuz it's a bit much to run a busy studio AND sell guitars. Anywho, I fell into selling them cuz i love their stuff and it was a good way to get a buncha guitars for my studio at cost. Ha. I have a "Descent" model bari right now, and it is very cool, though very much geared towards a more metal / djent sound, so it doesn't get as much use as I would like. But, I'm waiting on the more Dano-esque Pete Anderson bari (which looks freaking RAD), but Rev's supply chains got royally screwed by covid so things are taking forever to arrive. |
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Post by notneeson on Sept 8, 2021 8:55:14 GMT -6
So my studio partner has the cheapie Dano and he gets a great sound out of it. But, it’s a maintenance hog and he has to fiddle with the neck twice a year. I’d like my own Baritone for home, and I don’t want it to be a toy. Thinking about maybe checking out the Reverend, people seem to like their stuff. Or, I could put a baritone neck in my MIJ strat, which I bright otherwise sell. But then, would I like my current pickups for that or is it a can of worms. Any thoughts? I am a reverend dealer, though we're winding the sales stuff down these days cuz it's a bit much to run a busy studio AND sell guitars. Anywho, I fell into selling them cuz i love their stuff and it was a good way to get a buncha guitars for my studio at cost. Ha. I have a "Descent" model bari right now, and it is very cool, though very much geared towards a more metal / djent sound, so it doesn't get as much use as I would like. But, I'm waiting on the more Dano-esque Pete Anderson bari (which looks freaking RAD), but Rev's supply chains got royally screwed by covid so things are taking forever to arrive. That’s helpful! What would you say the Descent sounds like plugged into something like a Twin Reverb? What makes it so Metal? |
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Post by bgrotto on Sept 8, 2021 10:12:30 GMT -6
I am a reverend dealer, though we're winding the sales stuff down these days cuz it's a bit much to run a busy studio AND sell guitars. Anywho, I fell into selling them cuz i love their stuff and it was a good way to get a buncha guitars for my studio at cost. Ha. I have a "Descent" model bari right now, and it is very cool, though very much geared towards a more metal / djent sound, so it doesn't get as much use as I would like. But, I'm waiting on the more Dano-esque Pete Anderson bari (which looks freaking RAD), but Rev's supply chains got royally screwed by covid so things are taking forever to arrive. That’s helpful! What would you say the Descent sounds like plugged into something like a Twin Reverb? What makes it so Metal? The pickups are super hot. And also, the body is kinda pointy 🤣 But there's still a buncha twang, and tbh, the scoopy metal / djenty sound kinda works well for cowboy-ish spaghetti bari sounds. The main issue is just controlling the high output of the thing to keep the tones clean. FWIW - here's a video i just found of the thing getting played in decidedly non-metal way: And it works. But to my ear, the tone is either rolled off, or the volume pot is down a bit; it sounds a little darker and tubbier than the one i have. Could be proximity effect on a too-close amp mic, though. Here's another video that sounds a bit more like what I've experienced with the one i have: So you can see/hear that it'd work for covering a wide range of styles, but it's definitely more in a rock / metal direction than the usual spaghetti cowboy thing that a lotta folks would typically associate with the baritone guitar. Not sure where you're located, but if you're near boston and wanna swing by to check mine out, the offer's on the table. Hell...you could even borrow it if it's something you'd be interested in buying. |
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Post by notneeson on Sept 8, 2021 10:21:14 GMT -6
That’s helpful! What would you say the Descent sounds like plugged into something like a Twin Reverb? What makes it so Metal? The pickups are super hot. And also, the body is kinda pointy 🤣 But there's still a buncha twang, and tbh, the scoopy metal / djenty sound kinda works well for cowboy-ish spaghetti bari sounds. The main issue is just controlling the high output of the thing to keep the tones clean. FWIW - here's a video i just found of the thing getting played in decidedly non-metal way: And it works. But to my ear, the tone is either rolled off, or the volume pot is down a bit; it sounds a little darker and tubbier than the one i have. Could be proximity effect on a too-close amp mic, though. Here's another video that sounds a bit more like what I've experienced with the one i have: So you can see/hear that it'd work for covering a wide range of styles, but it's definitely more in a rock / metal direction than the usual spaghetti cowboy thing that a lotta folks would typically associate with the baritone guitar. Not sure where you're located, but if you're near boston and wanna swing by to check mine out, the offer's on the table. Hell...you could even borrow it if it's something you'd be interested in buying. Awesome, I’d seen the first video but not the second. I’d love to come by, but I’m on the west coast, Bay Area. Looks like there’s a dealer in Santa Rosa, that’s not that far for me. |
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 9, 2021 12:57:53 GMT -6
Why hasn't ANYONE done a 7 string Tele (real Telecaster, not a shredder shaped like a Tele) with a Low-B string added to it? And say a 25.5" scale length or optionally, a 26.5" or 27" scale-length?? I mean, this is a simple Gimme for any guitar maker to do. Fender, G&L, Suhr, Nash, etc Probably not traditional enough for Fender or Nash... Suhr would probably build it for you. And be like, $4700 + case lol I'm thinking that there's likely not much interest in 7 strings in Tele-land. |
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 9, 2021 13:00:07 GMT -6
Spoken like a drummer 😂. I’m kidding. Actually I’m interested in any option, and was trying to find a clip of the Ibanez baritone through a non-metal rig. I don’t need it to sound like the Dano because I can always borrow one. I’m not really chasing any specific tone, but rather inspiration. lol. I've actually played guitar longer than drums.. I've just never been any good at guitar while I took to the drums like a natural.. Anyway. Ibanez are sleeper guitars that always seem to be built well but folks never give them love because they don't hold any of that fantasy that names like gibson and fender do. Ibanez have a rep as "shredder guitars", very popular in metal circles. I used to like Ibanez quite a bit back in the lawsuit days. Not so much in recent years. |
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Post by din on Dec 5, 2021 20:06:20 GMT -6
I had a Gibson Les Paul Baritone back when they came out in 2008 or whatever. Thing sounded fucking awesome. Probably impossible to find now. I so regret selling it.
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Post by bgrotto on Dec 5, 2021 21:14:24 GMT -6
The new reverend pa3 is exceptional.
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Post by robschnapf on Jan 22, 2022 7:56:46 GMT -6
I have an Eastwood that is actually pretty good bang for the buck.
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Post by askomiko on Jan 31, 2022 9:29:46 GMT -6
I have a Squier Bass VI. It's nice if you really want to go to the deep end of spaghetti western sound. And easy for a dummy like me since it's octave down from guitar, no need to transpose.
I did play some spaghetti style tracks with an ESP ltd or Ibanez or something, a heavy metal baritone guitar with Bareknuckle nailbomb pickups or something. It required some extreme tweaking on the amp side and in the mix, but it worked ok. Not the best option for that of course. I guess it worked better than a Dano would have worked for metal riffs.
I should have LTD with EMGs stashed somewhere too, did someone say youd like to hear EMG baritone into a tweed champ or something?
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Post by notneeson on Jan 31, 2022 12:48:44 GMT -6
I have a Squier Bass VI. It's nice if you really want to go to the deep end of spaghetti western sound. And easy for a dummy like me since it's octave down from guitar, no need to transpose. I did play some spaghetti style tracks with an ESP ltd or Ibanez or something, a heavy metal baritone guitar with Bareknuckle nailbomb pickups or something. It required some extreme tweaking on the amp side, but it worked ok. Not the best option for that of course. I guess it worked better than a Dano would have worked for metal riffs. I should have LTD with EMGs stashed somewhere too, did someone say youd like to hear EMG baritone into a tweed champ or something? Oh, that's interesting. My daughter's squire mini strat actually has a kind of great neck on it, funny enough. |
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Post by wiz on Feb 1, 2022 15:25:16 GMT -6
I am still using and heavily impressed by my cheap Danelectro... I really did the pickups in it...
cheers
Wiz
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Post by bikescene on Feb 2, 2022 16:38:49 GMT -6
Squier is coming out with a 27” baritone tele for $500. Normal tele pickups and three saddle bridge. I don’t need to be buying any more guitars, but it’s caught my attention.
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Post by dok on Feb 3, 2022 16:37:01 GMT -6
Squier is coming out with a 27” baritone tele for $500. Normal tele pickups and three saddle bridge. I don’t need to be buying any more guitars, but it’s caught my attention. SAME |
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Post by Ward on Feb 5, 2022 15:57:09 GMT -6
Squier is coming out with a 27” baritone tele for $500. Normal tele pickups and three saddle bridge. I don’t need to be buying any more guitars, but it’s caught my attention. THat's a beautiful positive attitude! |
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Post by fellowshiphallsound on Sept 6, 2022 9:04:34 GMT -6
I've got a couple of Danelectro reissues and a Squire at the studio tuned different ways (E-to-E, B-to-B, A-to-). But a client brought in a Supro reissue baritone a while back and it was the best playing baritone I've ever used. Don't know if he just got a good one, or if they are all that good. Also not sure they are still available new?
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Post by bikescene on Sept 6, 2022 12:46:23 GMT -6
I've got a couple of Danelectro reissues and a Squire at the studio tuned different ways (E-to-E, B-to-B, A-to-). But a client brought in a Supro reissue baritone a while back and it was the best playing baritone I've ever used. Don't know if he just got a good one, or if they are all that good. Also not sure they are still available new? The Supro reissues are cool. I have the standard scale 3-pickup version of the recent but discontinued Island series. The gold foil pickups are a bright and open sound that I would imagine also sounds great on a baritone. I just got in a Squier Cabronita Baritone Tele on sale for $250, the one with P90s, about a week ago. I have it tuned to A-A and am liking it so far. The P90s are noisy with a lot of gain. I do like it’s voicing though, so a bit of gating should be fine. Clean and breakup sounds are enjoyable. The Cabronita Baritone and the 60’s Baritone (w/ straight up Tele appointments) are on sale at various prices this week, depending on the retailer. |
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Post by johneppstein on Sept 7, 2022 10:56:22 GMT -6
Either you need to do a thorough, careful setup or spend the money on a good tech to do it. There is no reason that a Squier Strat should be significanly worse than many or most Fender labelled ones. Electronics, now there's a bit of a problem, but mechanics? Naw. The one I particularly remember in college was a Squier Bullet. Just terrible to keep in tune. But I've also had a Squire JP bass neck fall apart as I was playing it. No visible signs of damage before playing, because it was taken care of. I believe the Squire Strats are nicer now, but the tuners alone are always low quality, the bridge is never as good, etc. Not the worst investment if that's what you can afford, but there are plenty of people who can breakdown the types of materials used and talk about why they are less desirable. I'm cheap, so I'd prefer to get a more affordable instrument when possible. Anyhow, John, you've successfully sidetracked another thread. Let's stop this now. I'm sure he knows what his quality tolerance is. I ALWAYS change tuners on inexpensive instruments, at least if I play them much. And I HATE Klusons. Rotomatic style forever. |
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