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Post by kcatthedog on Aug 30, 2021 16:27:54 GMT -6
What’s an odd comma between friends ?
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Post by ericn on Aug 30, 2021 17:12:17 GMT -6
I think the confusion is coming from which cap the "which makes the mic a little too bright for my taste" phrase is referring to. I think Josh meant it like this (I'm adding commas): "On this particular SA87 I placed a 160pf Polystyrene capacitor on the de-emphasis circuit, instead of the standard 220pf, which makes the mic a little too bright for my taste". Either way, if it's an RC filter, the bigger C will lower the cut-off frequency and darken the mic, which is what I think Josh was saying. Thank you for saving me on this one Ragan, that is exactly what I meant. A larger value cap will darken the mic on the 87 de-emphasis board. I am sorry for my poor use of commas guys, it's one of the things I struggle the most when typing in English. Eh, your still in the punctuation abuse minor league Josh😀
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Post by Chad on Aug 30, 2021 17:21:12 GMT -6
I think the confusion is coming from which cap the "which makes the mic a little too bright for my taste" phrase is referring to. I think Josh meant it like this (I'm adding commas): "On this particular SA87 I placed a 160pf Polystyrene capacitor on the de-emphasis circuit, instead of the standard 220pf, which makes the mic a little too bright for my taste". Either way, if it's an RC filter, the bigger C will lower the cut-off frequency and darken the mic, which is what I think Josh was saying. Thank you for saving me on this one Ragan, that is exactly what I meant. A larger value cap will darken the mic on the 87 de-emphasis board. I am sorry for my poor use of commas guys, it's one of the things I struggle the most when typing in English. Josh, none of us expect you to memorize the Chicago Manual of Style in order to post here. But we DO expect more amazing songs of yours being posted on YouTube. MORE of this ^^^ – Please!
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Post by kcatthedog on Aug 30, 2021 17:35:19 GMT -6
^^This^^
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Post by chessparov on Aug 30, 2021 22:20:17 GMT -6
I think I prefer the Telefunken silver plate. Me too. I had a Grey plate myself first, but fell in love with the mojo of the Amperex myself. Silver by a mile! Chris
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Post by chessparov on Aug 30, 2021 22:28:02 GMT -6
IMHO the STAM/Tim C. mic needed more than 6" away. I have the same issue with my U195 in FLAT. Needs to be 12"+ away on me, then it's fine. Vintage 87 otherwise tops, based on the test recordings. Again I thought the SP modded 87 needed 12"+. Primarily for better clarity. Chris
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Post by teejay on Aug 30, 2021 22:28:27 GMT -6
Me too. I had a Grey plate myself first, but fell in love with the mojo of the Amperex myself. Silver by a mile! Chris I'm throwing my hat in with Vincent. I have the Amperex and love it. (Nothing against your preference, Chris!)
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Post by chessparov on Aug 30, 2021 22:42:24 GMT -6
Well I have been told a million times... Never to exaggerate. Chris P.S. They all sound great. I was having a little fun with my (moderate) preference.
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Post by chessparov on Aug 30, 2021 22:46:04 GMT -6
Joshua is yet another RGO-er, with an exceptional voice. Chris
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Post by indiehouse on Aug 31, 2021 4:38:46 GMT -6
Just heard back from Neumann. The SP mod 87 is dated 1969. The stock is 1970.
I’ve got a 220pf cap on the way for the Stam. I will repost some new files once I get that in. I’ll back off the distance to 12”.
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Post by cserrano on Aug 31, 2021 10:09:29 GMT -6
indiehouse, let me know if you'd also like to throw the Serrano 87 in this comparison. I am happy to loan you one for this purpose! Warmly, Carlos
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Post by ericn on Aug 31, 2021 10:18:59 GMT -6
indiehouse, let me know if you'd also like to throw the Serrano 87 in this comparison. I am happy to loan you one for this purpose! Warmly, Carlos Now things are getting interesting! Of course the deal you should have offered is he gets to try one of yours and you get to examine the SP for a special edition 😎
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Post by indiehouse on Aug 31, 2021 13:00:45 GMT -6
indiehouse, let me know if you'd also like to throw the Serrano 87 in this comparison. I am happy to loan you one for this purpose! Warmly, Carlos Yeah, I’d definitely be interested in that.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Aug 31, 2021 20:12:08 GMT -6
That what I was trying to say to indiehouse Ragan, thanks for clearing that up.
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Post by indiehouse on Aug 31, 2021 21:15:10 GMT -6
That what I was trying to say to indiehouse Ragan, thanks for clearing that up. LOL! You’re killing me, man! Hahahaha!! I think you’re confused, my dude. But it doesn’t really matter. There’s currently a 160pf cap installed, which makes this mic brighter than both Neumann U87’s I’ve got here. I ordered a 220pf cap to roll off a bit of top end.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Sept 1, 2021 16:25:12 GMT -6
Could be :-)
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Post by OtisGreying on Sept 2, 2021 3:10:59 GMT -6
Just had to mention here. My Serrano 87 is beating my Flea 47 on vocals right now. There I said it. The Serrano's balance just fits better on my voice as I often live in my lower register, less proximity boom in the lows and great midrange that sounds so musical, adding just a sparkle of air with the silver bullet, scoop a hair out of 1.5k, boom vocals mixed. I have a baritone voice so I guess the mellowness of the Flea is not working in my favor when accompanied by the low end proximity effect. In any case, the serrano sounds amazing and RIGHT to my ear! So I'd def recommend comparing the Serrano too.
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Post by bossanova on Sept 2, 2021 8:56:58 GMT -6
Just had to mention here. My Serrano 87 is beating my Flea 47 on vocals right now. There I said it. The Serrano's balance just fits better on my voice as I often live in my lower register, less proximity boom in the lows and great midrange that sounds so musical, adding just a sparkle of air with the silver bullet, scoop a hair out of 1.5k, boom vocals mixed. I have a baritone voice so I guess the mellowness of the Flea is not working in my favor when accompanied by the low end proximity effect. In any case, the serrano sounds amazing and RIGHT to my ear! So I'd def recommend comparing the Serrano too. Does your Serrano have the stock "Vintage" voicing? Also,as somone who also deals with proximity effect, that's great to hear. I'm on the verge of buying one myself if the money stays lined up.
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Post by OtisGreying on Sept 2, 2021 14:08:34 GMT -6
Just had to mention here. My Serrano 87 is beating my Flea 47 on vocals right now. There I said it. The Serrano's balance just fits better on my voice as I often live in my lower register, less proximity boom in the lows and great midrange that sounds so musical, adding just a sparkle of air with the silver bullet, scoop a hair out of 1.5k, boom vocals mixed. I have a baritone voice so I guess the mellowness of the Flea is not working in my favor when accompanied by the low end proximity effect. In any case, the serrano sounds amazing and RIGHT to my ear! So I'd def recommend comparing the Serrano too. Does your Serrano have the stock "Vintage" voicing? Also,as somone who also deals with proximity effect, that's great to hear. I'm on the verge of buying one myself if the money stays lined up. I think so. It’s the current voicing offered. I just got them two weeks ago.
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Post by yotonic on Sept 3, 2021 20:57:37 GMT -6
A side by side of your Flea vs the Serrano would be cool…
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Post by fazer on Sept 4, 2021 10:57:21 GMT -6
I can't speak for Stam's 87 because I haven't tried one, but the SA67 I have with Tim's capsule sounds like a vintage U67. It has the Neumann honk you'd expect. I sometimes think people have become accustomed to brighter mic sounds . I've noticed many people prefer the U87Ai to the vintage U87 when listening blind in shootouts. U67 is the winner. I like the bass with less hump in it from proximity. would set in a track very nice on about any voice. Yes everyone seem to be use to more top end these days but the 67 has the type of transient sound I like. Its smooth sounding at least on dialog. Familiar . 87Ai can have a hard attack sound on transients. you need to do surgery to get out all the transient daggers. much prefer the smoothness of that 67.
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Post by Vincent R. on Sept 4, 2021 12:03:08 GMT -6
One of the biggest things so many people don’t realize is 47s and 49s were not designed for close miking. They like a little distance and a good room. That said, 87s have a certain cutting quality to them and in certain styles and on certain voices they are just the ticket. My U87ai beat out my FleA 49 and U67 on a Christian pop track I recorded last year as a session vocalist. It beat them by a fairly large margin too. So, it’s all about the style and the source. Horses for courses. Glad you found a mic that really works for you.
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Post by phil on Sept 24, 2021 6:28:13 GMT -6
The u87 should have a de-emphasis circuit in it, perhaps they have chosen some different values.
I'd also add that i think this 87 sounds good.
I have a question regarding the de-emphasis. I recently did a shootout with a vintage 87 versus some standard $2k and under mics (nothing boutique; guitar center mics). 2 things about the old 87 stood out and I wonder if it’s just that example or a design: - sounded effortless, rich, familiar, and invisible all at the same time. Extremely reactive to dynamics. - it’s a super dark mic on the top end. At the same time it’s not. It’s overall dark at 12k, but the dynamics punch up in that region enough to seem kind of flat. So I wonder if that’s a standard thing with old 87? Or is it just that mic? My feeling during tracking was: if this was a brand new mic somebody released today, it would be totally shunned for being way to dark. No way anyone would pay $3k for that. During tracking in headphones I wasn’t that impressed vs the other mics. But when I went to the studio monitors and brought it up, after compression and boosting the highs, it just sat ***perfectly*** into the track. Totally blew away the other mics in that regard. I had to boost 12k like 18dB before I hear any pain… is that weird? Or is that the standard de-emphasis? I had exactly the same experience with a vintage u87 until I tried to flip the capsule (so its back side becomes the front). And the back of the capsule sounded much brighter but also a little noisier.
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Post by drbill on Sept 24, 2021 10:08:13 GMT -6
18dB? I think that mic had a problem.... Mine is nothing like that. I don't consider it a "dark" mic.
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