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Post by OtisGreying on Jul 24, 2021 10:54:37 GMT -6
I'd like to incorporate some faders into my hybrid set-up, mostly for automation purposes (perhaps that's obvious). I use Ableton with an Apollo X.
I'm curious which options you guys find most useful and best quality, I really want to get in better habits with my vocal automation rather than over compressing, but automating with the mouse is getting pretty lack luster.
Thanks so much for any suggestions.
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Post by drumsound on Jul 24, 2021 11:17:23 GMT -6
I've got an original Faderport if you want it.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jul 24, 2021 13:12:52 GMT -6
I'd like to incorporate some faders into my hybrid set-up, mostly for automation purposes (perhaps that's obvious). I use Ableton with an Apollo X.
I'm curious which options you guys find most useful and best quality, I really want to get in better habits with my vocal automation rather than over compressing, but automating with the mouse is getting pretty lack luster.
Thanks so much for any suggestions.
I love the Faderport and currently use FP16. Faderport sold fast on Craigslist too so little risk in trying it out I’d say. |
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Post by sopwith on Jul 24, 2021 18:32:20 GMT -6
Using a Softube Console Fader with Ableton 11 here - absolutely amazing combo.
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jul 24, 2021 19:41:31 GMT -6
I have a Speck viaFADER 16 between my outputs and a CAPI SumBus. I get the moves 84.7% in the box and then I ride things live during the mix. Shitton of fun.
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Post by OtisGreying on Jul 25, 2021 19:32:25 GMT -6
I have a Speck viaFADER 16 between my outputs and a CAPI SumBus. I get the moves 84.7% in the box and then I ride things live during the mix. Shitton of fun. Bat, what are the advantages/ reasons for analog faders versus digital ones? The Speck looks really nice, but I'm not sure what it does different or offers more than a digital fader system with motorized faders for example.
And when automating none of the automation/riding is saved or recallable as its purely analog no? So you're riding the faders at mixdown and hopefully getting it right I'm assuming?
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jul 25, 2021 19:41:57 GMT -6
I have a Speck viaFADER 16 between my outputs and a CAPI SumBus. I get the moves 84.7% in the box and then I ride things live during the mix. Shitton of fun. Bat, what are the advantages/ reasons for analog faders versus digital ones? The Speck looks really nice, but I'm not sure what it does different or offers more than a digital fader system with motorized faders for example. Zero advantages, OtisGreying . I just like the physical approach to a mix and being able to zero faders and bring up sounds independent of PT automation and such. It's just more fun and to me there's more of an excitement to "getting it right" when you're trying to mix something down. Totally just a choice.
I do like that I don't have to scroll tracks and reach for a mouse now and then during the process and that it's not DAW or HUI dependent. Or, being able just to drop all effects sends by bringing a couple of faders down. That type of thing.
Edit: And 100% - hopefully getting it right. That is the challenge every time I'm trying to finish one of our songs.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jul 25, 2021 19:50:28 GMT -6
Bat, what are the advantages/ reasons for analog faders versus digital ones? The Speck looks really nice, but I'm not sure what it does different or offers more than a digital fader system with motorized faders for example. Zero advantages, OtisGreying . I just like the physical approach to a mix and being able to zero faders and bring up sounds independent of PT automation and such. It's just more fun and to me there's more of an excitement to "getting it right" when you're trying to mix something down. Totally just a choice.
I do like that I don't have to scroll tracks and reach for a mouse now and then during the process and that it's not DAW or HUI dependent. Or, being able just to drop all effects sends by bringing a couple of faders down. That type of thing.
Edit: And 100% - hopefully getting it right. That is the challenge every time I'm trying to finish one of our songs.
1) great answer 2) I’m curious what these faders are doing. So basically you’re sending 16 signals out of PT, into various gear, into the Speck and then attenuating the signal and then routing back into PT? Curious what hardware is in the chain and how you route it. This device is totally new to me, has no idea such a thing existed. |
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Post by OtisGreying on Jul 25, 2021 19:54:18 GMT -6
Bat, what are the advantages/ reasons for analog faders versus digital ones? The Speck looks really nice, but I'm not sure what it does different or offers more than a digital fader system with motorized faders for example. Zero advantages, OtisGreying . I just like the physical approach to a mix and being able to zero faders and bring up sounds independent of PT automation and such. It's just more fun and to me there's more of an excitement to "getting it right" when you're trying to mix something down. Totally just a choice.
I do like that I don't have to scroll tracks and reach for a mouse now and then during the process and that it's not DAW or HUI dependent. Or, being able just to drop all effects sends by bringing a couple of faders down. That type of thing.
Edit: And 100% - hopefully getting it right. That is the challenge every time I'm trying to finish one of our songs.
Really interesting, I'm not sure what I'd prefer. I can see a DAW controlled fader system being really useful, but also see the glory in faders completely indepenent from the DAW and not having it be hostage to one set of automation instructions. Sort of a second and final fully physical automation workflow. But I think right now what I need is to get vocals mixed faster for clarity during production, which the analog fader wouldn't provide as it doesn't recall any automation or signal the DAW to record the automation, unless I'm bouncing the track down.
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jul 25, 2021 20:15:26 GMT -6
1) great answer 2) I’m curious what these faders are doing. So basically you’re sending 16 signals out of PT, into various gear, into the Speck and then attenuating the signal and then routing back into PT? Curious what hardware is in the chain and how you route it. This device is totally new to me, has no idea such a thing existed. Sure, man, it's just where I've evolved with my workflow, really. I've been recording for a long time as an artist and then at some point about 13 years ago started shifting to trying to get my own sounds. (The rabbit hole!)
So I have 16 outs from PT into a Burl B80 into a Redco patchbay into the viaFADER into the CAPI Sumbus. I also have a Flock Audio PB hooked up that gives me some other options on eight outputs from PT. So from those I have four mono (kick, snare, bass, vocal) and two stereo channels that I'm able to throw various hardware on via the Flock before the VF. (Usually, those stereo channels are guitars and keys but lately with the more drum machine based stuff we've been doing, one of the channels is drums minus kick/snare.)
All of those come into the VF which goes into the SumBus. The faders give me the angle of running stuff at unity or somewhat hot out of PT and then attenuating on the faders. Gives a more organic approach to driving the SumBus which is brilliant IMHO - the SumBus, that is.
Stereo bus goes into an API 5500 (w/CAPI CA-0252 op amps) -> MAS -> SVC (latter two Overstayer units) into a Burl B2 into the B80's AES card, then via PT, monitored through the B80's BDAM4 card.
Ultimately, I get the benefits of PT automation and then the strategic fun of moving the mix with my hands.
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Jul 25, 2021 20:19:53 GMT -6
Really interesting, I'm not sure what I'd prefer. I can see a DAW controlled fader system being really useful, but also see the glory in faders completely indepenent from the DAW and not having it be hostage to one set of automation instructions. Sort of a second and final fully physical automation workflow. But I think right now what I need is to get vocals mixed faster for clarity during production, which the analog fader wouldn't provide as it doesn't recall any automation or signal the DAW to record the automation, unless I'm bouncing the track down.
It is definitely not the quick recall, client-type setup. We only do our music, so I went with what was fun and inspiring. If anything, the faders would make it much harder to recall as you said. Notes, marks, something a bit off and you could be screwed doing a revision. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jul 25, 2021 20:52:34 GMT -6
1) great answer 2) I’m curious what these faders are doing. So basically you’re sending 16 signals out of PT, into various gear, into the Speck and then attenuating the signal and then routing back into PT? Curious what hardware is in the chain and how you route it. This device is totally new to me, has no idea such a thing existed. Sure, man, it's just where I've evolved with my workflow, really. I've been recording for a long time as an artist and then at some point about 13 years ago started shifting to trying to get my own sounds. (The rabbit hole!)
So I have 16 outs from PT into a Burl B80 into a Redco patchbay into the viaFADER into the CAPI Sumbus. I also have a Flock Audio PB hooked up that gives me some other options on eight outputs from PT. So from those I have four mono (kick, snare, bass, vocal) and two stereo channels that I'm able to throw various hardware on via the Flock before the VF. (Usually, those stereo channels are guitars and keys but lately with the more drum machine based stuff we've been doing, one of the channels is drums minus kick/snare.)
All of those come into the VF which goes into the SumBus. The faders give me the angle of running stuff at unity or somewhat hot out of PT and then attenuating on the faders. Gives a more organic approach to driving the SumBus which is brilliant IMHO - the SumBus, that is.
Stereo bus goes into an API 5500 (w/CAPI CA-0252 op amps) -> MAS -> SVC (latter two Overstayer units) into a Burl B2 into the B80's AES card, then via PT, monitored through the B80's BDAM4 card.
Ultimately, I get the benefits of PT automation and then the strategic fun of moving the mix with my hands.
This is very cool. I can definitely see building a scheme like this down the line. |
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