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Post by mitchkricun on Jul 23, 2021 12:58:22 GMT -6
Hey SD3 pros! Let’s say you really like the sound of a particular preset in Stereo. How do you keep the exact sound when you use multi output and bus the individual drums to their own outputs? I know they use internal “plugins” to create the presets, but when you Buss the drums out the processing seems to get lost. For instance, a stereo preset may have processing on output 1&2 for the whole kit. When you Buss it out, that processing just ends up on the kick because I Buss kick to 1&2, snare to 3&4, etc. You seem to also lose the internal routing to fx and other processing. Any quick way to retain the exact sound of the preset, but have additional control of each element for my own processing, automation, etc?
Thanks!
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Post by ragan on Jul 23, 2021 13:37:11 GMT -6
Hey SD3 pros! Let’s say you really like the sound of a particular preset in Stereo. How do you keep the exact sound when you use multi output and bus the individual drums to their own outputs? I know they use internal “plugins” to create the presets, but when you Buss the drums out the processing seems to get lost. For instance, a stereo preset may have processing on output 1&2 for the whole kit. When you Buss it out, that processing just ends up on the kick because I Buss kick to 1&2, snare to 3&4, etc. You seem to also lose the internal routing to fx and other processing. Any quick way to retain the exact sound of the preset, but have additional control of each element for my own processing, automation, etc? Thanks! I would just leave the bussing intact within SD3 and output those busses to auxes in your DAW. For the individual elements, output them to channels that aren't already being used by the preset. Would that work?
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Post by mitchkricun on Jul 23, 2021 13:52:51 GMT -6
I would just leave the bussing intact within SD3 and output those busses to auxes in your DAW. For the individual elements, output them to channels that aren't already being used by the preset. Would that work? I am outputting the busses to my DAW. The individual elements get bussed internally in SD3, then I output those busses to channels in my DAW. Sounds completely different though. I’m not sure what you mean in your last sentence though…
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Post by popmann on Jul 23, 2021 17:08:35 GMT -6
There's no way to do this really.
You can approximate it...using only stereo bus outputs...making sure your DAW does NO pan law compensation for "Stereo channels"...and then recreating what they have on whatever master bus with a group buss in your DAW. Most of their presets have lots of DSP that cascades and mults in specific ways. But, really you WANT a mono kick track...and a mono snare...etc...to record as multichannel AUDIO...even if it's ONLY to archive the finished project.
This was the gotcha when we tried to set up a preset sharing forum here...if you make a stereo out preset...you can't break that out...if you make a multichannel preset--well, not everyone wants to deal with that. I'd bet the majority just leave the drums MIDI to mixdown...and mix the drums inside the app. But, that's an assumption from what I've seen online.
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Post by notneeson on Jul 23, 2021 17:10:06 GMT -6
I am outputting the busses to my DAW. The individual elements get bussed internally in SD3, then I output those busses to channels in my DAW. Sounds completely different though. I’m not sure what you mean in your last sentence though… I think you might just be missing the master bus compression and EQ etc? Or are there additional sends firing? I think the channel inserts do print down when you export each mic. You may just need to recreate the buss processing in the DAW to get the sound back. Personally, I just go with it. The export sounds a tad different but then I have more flexibility and it frees up considerable resources. And I'm a little OCD, I want those rendered out individual WAVs in my session so I can make little clip gain moves etc.
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Post by ragan on Jul 23, 2021 17:15:55 GMT -6
I am outputting the busses to my DAW. The individual elements get bussed internally in SD3, then I output those busses to channels in my DAW. Sounds completely different though. I’m not sure what you mean in your last sentence though… I may have misunderstood. You were saying you've got whole kit processing on output 1-2 but when you bus things out to individual outs, that processing was on the kick because the kick was bussed to output 1-2. I just meant don't route the individual tracks to outputs that are being used by internal SD3 buses that you want to keep. As I think about it, though, I think it still won't do what you want. If you have internal SD3 processing on the whole kit that you want to keep, there's no way to have the individual tracks both routed to DAW auxes and have internal SD3 processing on the whole kit. If it were me and I was head over heels for some preset but wanted individual DAW auxes for the drum tracks, I'd just copy the SD3 processing with plugs in the DAW. I haven't found the internal SD3 plugins to be good enough that I didn't think I could do better with my usual DAW stuff. Might even be a valuable mixing tutorial, going through all the routing and processing and figuring out what it is you like so much about the SD3 preset.
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Post by Guitar on Jul 23, 2021 18:00:12 GMT -6
I'll go with what others have said, time to do some ear-matching using other plugins in the DAW.
I think some of the SD3 'plugins' are pretty decent, but some are horrible, you have to sort of weed through them.
They seem to be fairly generic types of processors you should have replacements for.
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Post by mitchkricun on Jul 23, 2021 18:32:39 GMT -6
I am outputting the busses to my DAW. The individual elements get bussed internally in SD3, then I output those busses to channels in my DAW. Sounds completely different though. I’m not sure what you mean in your last sentence though… I may have misunderstood. You were saying you've got whole kit processing on output 1-2 but when you bus things out to individual outs, that processing was on the kick because the kick was bussed to output 1-2. I just meant don't route the individual tracks to outputs that are being used by internal SD3 buses that you want to keep. As I think about it, though, I think it still won't do what you want. If you have internal SD3 processing on the whole kit that you want to keep, there's no way to have the individual tracks both routed to DAW auxes and have internal SD3 processing on the whole kit. If it were me and I was head over heels for some preset but wanted individual DAW auxes for the drum tracks, I'd just copy the SD3 processing with plugs in the DAW. I haven't found the internal SD3 plugins to be good enough that I didn't think I could do better with my usual DAW stuff. Might even be a valuable mixing tutorial, going through all the routing and processing and figuring out what it is you like so much about the SD3 preset. I get that, and that’s what I usually do. I’m just working on a song and I just really dig the preset as is sound and punch wise. I just want be able to automate a few things and maybe add a better reverb without putting it on the whole kit. I guess I’ll just recreate the processing by ear. Was just hoping for an easier way. I thought about muting everything but the kick-bounce, everything but the snares-bounce, etc.
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Post by mitchkricun on Jul 23, 2021 19:09:59 GMT -6
Weird. I set out to tune the individual elements by ear and with all the internal processing turned off, when I switch the output of the snares to 3&4 it sounds like a totally different sample. Switch back to output 1&2 and it sounds right??? This is with all the internal plugs bypassed. None of the other busses do this. I switch the OH’s from output 9&10 to 1&2, no different. Just the snare Buss.
Btw, this is on the Nashville Punch preset in the Bob Rock package. I haven’t tested it in other kits.
The workaround for now was to solo the snare Buss, bounce to a new track using output 1&2 and it sounds how it should. Bizarre… Thanks for the suggestions!
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Post by notneeson on Jul 24, 2021 12:53:13 GMT -6
Weird. I set out to tune the individual elements by ear and with all the internal processing turned off, when I switch the output of the snares to 3&4 it sounds like a totally different sample. Switch back to output 1&2 and it sounds right??? This is with all the internal plugs bypassed. None of the other busses do this. I switch the OH’s from output 9&10 to 1&2, no different. Just the snare Buss. Btw, this is on the Nashville Punch preset in the Bob Rock package. I haven’t tested it in other kits. The workaround for now was to solo the snare Buss, bounce to a new track using output 1&2 and it sounds how it should. Bizarre… Thanks for the suggestions! Maybe the preset is stacking snares and you only re-routed one sample? Just a wild guess.
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Post by Guitar on Jul 24, 2021 13:15:27 GMT -6
The SD3 mixer window is extremely confusing to me. There are hidden channels, things like that. It's not bonehead simple. So I feel the pain.
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