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Post by indiehouse on Jun 21, 2021 14:58:15 GMT -6
Anything wrong with running my mains signal flow through my TT (Redco) patchbay in terms of signal degradation? Both interface and patchbay are DB25, and it would be a little neater to have the mains normalled on a pair of channels.
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Post by ragan on Jun 21, 2021 15:11:24 GMT -6
I run my monitor signal through a normalled pair on my cheap Neutrik TRS patchbay. Absolutely nothing wrong with it.
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Post by ericn on Jun 21, 2021 15:36:28 GMT -6
Always! Nice to be able to have a test point as well as being able to demo an amp or powered monitor easily.
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Post by svart on Jun 21, 2021 20:52:25 GMT -6
No sound cost but you might get a pop on insert which would kill speakers..
Or do you mean master bus?
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Post by upstairs on Jun 21, 2021 21:23:44 GMT -6
I think he means proper mains. You never know when you'll need a toaster or hair dryer in short order.
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Post by Quint on Jun 22, 2021 7:03:36 GMT -6
Nothing wrong with it. If you have analog monitor control, just turn your volume down or mute it while you're patching, just in case.
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Post by indiehouse on Jun 22, 2021 7:38:50 GMT -6
I really can’t see myself patching anything in/out of this. And if I ever had to, I’d for sure do it with my amp turned off.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 22, 2021 7:40:53 GMT -6
I really can’t see myself patching anything in/out of this. And if I ever had to, I’d for sure do it with my amp turned off. Why do you want to run through the patchbays then?
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Post by indiehouse on Jun 22, 2021 7:44:55 GMT -6
Patchbays are DB25 and the interface outs are DB25. I figure it’d be a little more tidy to normal the interface out into the monitor controller in, rather than splitting off a couple XLR’s from the DB25 interface out.
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Post by ericn on Jun 22, 2021 9:00:33 GMT -6
No sound cost but you might get a pop on insert which would kill speakers.. Or do you mean master bus? Yeah if I had to do it over again I would put it on one of the 3 row bays and mount a switch in the 3rd row attached to one of those high current remote ac relay boxes you see in home theater. The other nice thing is if you use a sub woofer you can set the bay up so a couple of patch cords will let you bypass the sub(s) crossover and run the mains full range.
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Post by indiehouse on Jun 22, 2021 15:36:39 GMT -6
No sound cost but you might get a pop on insert which would kill speakers.. Or do you mean master bus? Yeah if I had to do it over again I would put it on one of the 3 row bays and mount a switch in the 3rd row attached to one of those high current remote ac relay boxes you see in home theater. The other nice thing is if you use a sub woofer you can set the bay up so a couple of patch cords will let you bypass the sub(s) crossover and run the mains full range. Lucky for me, I’m running a pair of Atomic SixTens, with rear firing subs.
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Post by bgrotto on Jun 25, 2021 22:01:21 GMT -6
Ive worked at several studios with this configuration. No big whoop as long as everything is clearly labeled and you don’t let any old joe wander in to run a session.
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Post by malkit on Jun 26, 2021 9:15:38 GMT -6
Ditto the above. I just received my first TT patchbay from none other than the fantastic Bob Hickey, aka Mr. Patchbay.
It's really an incredible piece given how simple its function is! I'm using part of it to patch out multiple mixes to different speakers, including a poweramp with a set of Auratones at the end. No issues.
Should've done this years ago.
Thanks for the recommendation, EricN!
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Post by ericn on Jun 26, 2021 14:22:47 GMT -6
Ditto the above. I just received my first TT patchbay from none other than the fantastic Bob Hickey, aka Mr. Patchbay. It's really an incredible piece given how simple its function is! I'm using part of it to patch out multiple mixes to different speakers, including a poweramp with a set of Auratones at the end. No issues. Should've done this years ago. Thanks for the recommendation, EricN! Anytime, you will find patchbays are like rabbits. They multiply as you realize how easy they make life!
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Post by Ward on Jun 28, 2021 8:08:36 GMT -6
Ditto the above. I just received my first TT patchbay from none other than the fantastic Bob Hickey, aka Mr. Patchbay. It's really an incredible piece given how simple its function is! I'm using part of it to patch out multiple mixes to different speakers, including a poweramp with a set of Auratones at the end. No issues. Should've done this years ago. Thanks for the recommendation, EricN! Anytime, you will find patchbays are like rabbits. They multiply as you realize how easy they make life! I'm also an addict. But Bob Olhsson is right insomuch that even with the best PBs, there is a sonic trade-off. Even a minute one.
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Post by indiehouse on Jun 28, 2021 13:27:05 GMT -6
Anytime, you will find patchbays are like rabbits. They multiply as you realize how easy they make life! I'm also an addict. But Bob Olhsson is right insomuch that even with the best PBs, there is a sonic trade-off. Even a minute one. What’s the sonic trade off? If there is anything compromising the audio, then I would def want to avoid running my monitor path through a bay.
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Post by mike on Jun 28, 2021 14:50:51 GMT -6
Anytime, you will find patchbays are like rabbits. They multiply as you realize how easy they make life! I'm also an addict. But Bob Olhsson is right insomuch that even with the best PBs, there is a sonic trade-off. Even a minute one.
Whether they say on paper it's not supposed to, or if it's ever so slightly, my experience has always been,...everything effects sound.
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Post by Ward on Jun 28, 2021 19:08:56 GMT -6
I'm also an addict. But Bob Olhsson is right insomuch that even with the best PBs, there is a sonic trade-off. Even a minute one. What’s the sonic trade off? If there is anything compromising the audio, then I would def want to avoid running my monitor path through a bay. It's another set of patch cables, connectors, cross-talk in the bay, and potential poor connections. 99% of the time with professional TT bays, there's very little loss or unwanted additions...but the risk is there. Bob states everything sounds better without them. He has never been wrong.
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Post by ericn on Jun 29, 2021 12:31:09 GMT -6
Anything and everything adds or subtracts something, only you can decide if it’s worth it. I like the convince, but I also know speakers and amps here are in constant flux.
Part of what made me a patchbay evangelical was the concussion from a Furman that was sitting on top of a un racked in demo system that fell on my head as I was re configuring a demo system. After an hour in the ER I decided f#%k this crap everything is going to a bay it’s not worth this crap!
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