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Post by the other mark williams on Jun 21, 2021 16:23:06 GMT -6
@tomegatherion - will you test this out and report your technical findings? Even though my tastes sometimes run counter to yours, I respect your technical research on plugins.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 21, 2021 16:34:52 GMT -6
@tomegatherion - will you test this out and report your technical findings? Even though my tastes sometimes run counter to yours, I respect your technical research on plugins. Let me take that for ya... "It aliases like nobody's business and the "drive" you get sounds like a clipper from 2001." - danJK
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Post by phantom on Jun 21, 2021 16:40:02 GMT -6
@tomegatherion - will you test this out and report your technical findings? Even though my tastes sometimes run counter to yours, I respect your technical research on plugins. Let me take that for ya... "It aliases like nobody's business and the "drive" you get sounds like a clipper from 2001." - dan JK Klanghelm something and Tokyo Dawn anything crushes it.
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Post by superwack on Jun 21, 2021 17:14:40 GMT -6
Ok so The morphine said buy it I did . The wife should have taken the credit card away lol. Interesting, the Tramadol I took did NOT tell me to buy it, gotta call my doctor and get some of the "good stuff" LOL I watched the Produce Like A Pro video on it (disclaimer: I actually skipped at least 29 minutes of it) but John McBride does say at the very end that if you buy the plugin now you get a year of their upcoming subscription plan they are starting at the end of the year FREE so that's 'something'
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Post by ericn on Jun 21, 2021 17:35:48 GMT -6
Disclaimer: I just got back from the hospital with a kidney stone . So I am on morphine and the whole world is nice I want that morphine too - jealous - ... I shut up and take a RITALIN .... .... Nah Fentanyl patch, lasts longer and so much smoother, for a hard hit dilaudid. Who new I would ever become such an authority on schedual 2 drugs completely legally.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 21, 2021 18:13:00 GMT -6
Sub plan: it’s all about the cash flow,(from your pocket to theirs), caveat emptor: I’m out.
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Post by rowmat on Jun 21, 2021 18:20:30 GMT -6
I have a Neve RowMat 33114 plug-in coming soon! Place your orders! 🤪
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Post by rowmat on Jun 21, 2021 18:36:42 GMT -6
Sub plan: it’s all about the cash flow,(from your pocket to theirs), caveat emptor: I’m out. Why am I not surprised?
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Post by rowmat on Jun 21, 2021 18:43:05 GMT -6
For those who think that the Class A 1073 is ‘the’ Neve sound (whatever that is) the Blackbird 8078 console formerly owned by Donald Fagen was the console used on ‘The Nightfly’.
And the channel modules are 31105’s which are Class A/B.
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Post by mrholmes on Jun 21, 2021 18:46:34 GMT -6
I want that morphine too - jealous - ... I shut up and take a RITALIN .... .... Nah Fentanyl patch, lasts longer and so much smoother, for a hard hit dilaudid. Who new I would ever become such an authority on schedual 2 drugs completely legally. Sounds good too … last year I had surgery as an adult for the first time and man I loved the fact to be switched off. Since than it’s alright for me to die. Nothing to do no one call's no expectations … just a black hole….loved it. But ok this comes from an ADHD brain…. Someone found out if this plug in is as good as ja ja ja ….
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2021 19:28:36 GMT -6
Let me take that for ya... "It aliases like nobody's business and the "drive" you get sounds like a clipper from 2001." - dan JK Klanghelm something and Tokyo Dawn anything crushes it. Klanghelm SDRR 2 is best at subtle and obvious distortion and not a lot in between. TDR is the shit but all of their plugins have a learning curve and they do their own thing. I’m using Molot as my only compressor mostly now but I’ve loved that thing since the free one and now it does fast attack and respects the performance more too.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jun 21, 2021 20:38:51 GMT -6
Klanghelm something and Tokyo Dawn anything crushes it. Klanghelm SDRR 2 is best at subtle and obvious distortion and not a lot in between. TDR is the shit but all of their plugins have a learning curve and they do their own thing. I’m using Molot as my only compressor mostly now but I’ve loved that thing since the free one and now it does fast attack and respects the performance more too. Not in on the joke huh? 😂😂
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2021 21:51:37 GMT -6
This sounds cool and can take a ton of drive without crapping out or getting nasty. The only problems are lack of auto-gain matching when cranking pre input, the saturation switch can be beyond awful sounding (it's easy to make it sound like a blown tweeter), the oversampling is minimum phase so the depth gets weird sometimes, but sometimes it is cool. It is unpredictable. Parallel routing is of course impossible, which is what you want to do because the drive is so cool so you want to crush stuff with it.
vs other pre+eqs I have installed on some drum overheads. Keep in mind I've already distorted eqed and distorted these to taste and this is the cherry on top. KIT BB105. NICE DEPTH, very roomy, very distorted kicks. subtle saturation is an interestested clipped kick but it's a little dirty. It's hard to get the distortion you want with the saturation you want. They need to be independent controls. screw hardware limitations. Give me what I want. PSP E27 is subtle as hell. Very slight improvement. Pretty much doesn't matter levels of distortion on overheads imo. Slick EQ. Subtle but more useful and more flavors. Less plastic than the PSP. Not as game changing distortion as the KIT but cleaner. more flexible. Fuse 2C. Subtle until driven hard. Rounder bass, saturated top a bit. Bleh. Fuse 562. WOW LOVE THIS. Whatever this does, it is amazing. Aux gives a nice trash can effect too. MIC is awesome. This and KIT B1B105 are the coolest by far. Fuse 376. Love this too. Woody and punchy. Fuse VQA-154. WOW.
Brightening up a 100% raw dark guitar track in need of some boosts. KIT BB105. Very cool 3.3 khz boost. Shreds the highs though. Maybe the oversampling? Saturation makes it worse. It's unique but I don't love it as much as I like it on drums. PSP E27. totally outperforms the KIT. The E27 gives me that live electrical wire effect on the high shelf with drive cranked. I can get a good bad 90s or modern rock tone with this pretty easily. Fuse Vpre 562 gets a nice sear. Fuse VQA 154. Basically turns the guitar into acidified yellow paper like a beat up old paperback to read out of place in an dimly lit old mansion's library. Super cool. VOS Boot EQ II. Dug this thing up. Wow super smooth in vintage tube mode and I can do some ridiculous CLA type upper mid boosts. Loaded up bootsey's other thing slick EQ. WOW EVEN SMOOTHER but I can't boost as much. Where this wasn't game changing on the overheads, it's ridiculous smooth without killing the detail like Boot EQ. Very subtle tweakers paradise here for the output stages. The moment you enable, them you gain this subtle 3d, floating in outer space quality the others lack. It retains the BLACKGROUND of the original recording like only the Fuse VQA 154 did but where the 154 pasted the track to background, this separates it from it vividly. It's like going from Super Mario Land on Gameboy to Super Mario 64. If British mode here is a sci-fi movie model, the VQA-154 is the Captain Beyond Space Pirate Guy floating on a sea of air in a nebula somewhere.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 22, 2021 6:24:22 GMT -6
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Post by nudwig on Jun 22, 2021 9:48:02 GMT -6
I took a look in Plugin Doctor while I was waiting for files to transfer last night. Looks horrible, sounds great. Has a wildness I've been looking for since I rented a particular pair of vintage 1081's (that may or may not have been racked correctly). My AML 1081's don't get wild like they did, the UAD 1081 doesn't, this does. I'll likely buy it after the demo just for this particular sound.
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Post by bgrotto on Jun 22, 2021 10:29:24 GMT -6
The Acusitca stuff does this same sorta "ripple", and Gold is my favorite Neve emu by far...
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Post by phantom on Jun 22, 2021 10:45:37 GMT -6
The Acusitca stuff does this same sorta "ripple", and Gold is my favorite Neve emu by far... I'm not into Acustica plugins. But is this ripple something that really happen with their plugins? Or maybe it's a weird reaction of Plugin Doctor with this kind of plugin? This new Kit say something about sampling the console, so maybe it's behaving in a similar way to AA?
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Post by bgrotto on Jun 22, 2021 11:21:41 GMT -6
The Acusitca stuff does this same sorta "ripple", and Gold is my favorite Neve emu by far... I'm not into Acustica plugins. But is this ripple something that really happen with their plugins? Or maybe it's a weird reaction of Plugin Doctor with this kind of plugin? This new Kit say something about sampling the console, so maybe it's behaving in a similar way to AA? I've had a similar thought, and I honestly don't know nor do I particularly care. The AA stuff does use a pretty unique technology, and I don't know enough about it or how PD operates to assess whether there's some issue between the two. I tend to favor the "by the ears" approach anyhow, and while I like PD and use it as a learning tool, this whole culture of *looking* at everything in audio is kind of a bummer. I'll still be demoing the Kit plugin later this week, and assessing it on its own (sonic) merits.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2021 13:17:45 GMT -6
I'm not into Acustica plugins. But is this ripple something that really happen with their plugins? Or maybe it's a weird reaction of Plugin Doctor with this kind of plugin? This new Kit say something about sampling the console, so maybe it's behaving in a similar way to AA? I've had a similar thought, and I honestly don't know nor do I particularly care. The AA stuff does use a pretty unique technology, and I don't know enough about it or how PD operates to assess whether there's some issue between the two. I tend to favor the "by the ears" approach anyhow, and while I like PD and use it as a learning tool, this whole culture of *looking* at everything in audio is kind of a bummer. I'll still be demoing the Kit plugin later this week, and assessing it on its own (sonic) merits. Acoustica takes thousands of ir samples to model the sound and tone but they still need the algorithms to modify the waveform, which is where they tend to fall apart vs the best dsp, which focuses strictly on the algorithms and gets the tone from it. Acoustica can sound great but tends to be a bit of a shit show in real world use as tools. Ripple can be from poor oversampling filters too.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2021 13:20:37 GMT -6
I took a look in Plugin Doctor while I was waiting for files to transfer last night. Looks horrible, sounds great. Has a wildness I've been looking for since I rented a particular pair of vintage 1081's (that may or may not have been racked correctly). My AML 1081's don't get wild like they did, the UAD 1081 doesn't, this does. I'll likely buy it after the demo just for this particular sound. Disable saturation which is a dirty hard clipper. Then you can crank the mic input for a ton of cool distortion. I wish this was linear phase oversampled so I could parallel crush with it.
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Post by bgrotto on Jun 22, 2021 15:00:51 GMT -6
Demoing now. Really like the sound of the EQ, and really like the drive. Unfortunately, using it on specific drum channels isn't tenable because of the obvious phase distortion. My whole kit's phase relationships seem to be out the window. I can fix this by putting it on every track, but that's not exactly a great use of resources.
I'm guessing this is an issue with the oversampling? If so, it'd be nice to have a linear phase option.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2021 4:38:58 GMT -6
Demoing now. Really like the sound of the EQ, and really like the drive. Unfortunately, using it on specific drum channels isn't tenable because of the obvious phase distortion. My whole kit's phase relationships seem to be out the window. I can fix this by putting it on every track, but that's not exactly a great use of resources. I'm guessing this is an issue with the oversampling? If so, it'd be nice to have a linear phase option. Uninstalled. The eq is totally unusable due to the heavy phasing. The minimum phase oversampling means nothing can be paralleled. This is going to be a shitshow if later Kit/Blackbird plugins are like this.
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Post by superwack on Jun 24, 2021 8:31:33 GMT -6
Demoing now. Really like the sound of the EQ, and really like the drive. Unfortunately, using it on specific drum channels isn't tenable because of the obvious phase distortion. My whole kit's phase relationships seem to be out the window. I can fix this by putting it on every track, but that's not exactly a great use of resources. I'm guessing this is an issue with the oversampling? If so, it'd be nice to have a linear phase option. Uninstalled. The eq is totally unusable due to the heavy phasing. The minimum phase oversampling means nothing can be paralleled. This is going to be a shitshow if later Kit/Blackbird plugins are like this. The thread over on GS is all about these issues. I haven’t read the whole thing but people are saying KIT acknowledges there are graphic issues and that, apparently, John McBride only tested it at 96k and a lot of the issues clear up if you don’t use it at 44/48. Seems really shoddy and rushed to me
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Post by bgrotto on Jun 24, 2021 8:40:47 GMT -6
Uninstalled. The eq is totally unusable due to the heavy phasing. The minimum phase oversampling means nothing can be paralleled. This is going to be a shitshow if later Kit/Blackbird plugins are like this. The thread over on GS is all about these issues. I haven’t read the whole thing but people are saying KIT acknowledges there are graphic issues and that, apparently, John McBride only tested it at 96k and a lot of the issues clear up if you don’t use it at 44/48. Seems really shoddy and rushed to me Fwiw, I work at 96 too, and the phase distortion was very much an issue. Interesting aside: those slate blackbird drum samples have quite a few phase irregularities (among other problems....) so maybe this is all just part of the blackbird branding master plan🤷🏻♀️
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Post by superwack on Jun 24, 2021 8:59:48 GMT -6
The thread over on GS is all about these issues. I haven’t read the whole thing but people are saying KIT acknowledges there are graphic issues and that, apparently, John McBride only tested it at 96k and a lot of the issues clear up if you don’t use it at 44/48. Seems really shoddy and rushed to me Fwiw, I work at 96 too, and the phase distortion was very much an issue. Interesting aside: those slate blackbird drum samples have quite a few phase irregularities (among other problems....) so maybe this is all just part of the blackbird branding master plan🤷🏻♀️ That is interesting. I had totally forgotten about the problems in the blackbird drums - but you are right! Perhaps someone could come up with a Plugin that just introduces the phase anomalies of the great studios so we could get “that sound” on our own systems 😂
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