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Post by Mister Chase on Jun 16, 2021 15:24:24 GMT -6
So I've been working on Focal CMS 50's with an Adam 8 sub for a while now. It's really hard to argue against a monitor upgrade as it affects every aspect of my work.
My question would be, where would you go from here? I think I got the CMS 50s for 1200 maybe 6 years ago. I'm looking for a step up to hear more and allow better translation. Yes my room is treated with a lot of GIK(will be adding some more, though).
I am thinking $3k is the target range. And I definitely don't have the money right now, but maybe in a year?
I heard the PMC result 6 and thought they were nice and very clear.
Was thinking about Focal Solo6.
Any contenders I should consider?
Thanks!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2021 20:18:19 GMT -6
PMC’s are weird but have detail. The smaller ones are even weirder and put the out of phase bass up higher. I don’t agree with them very much.
Focal Solo 6 will give you the detail that the pretty much underwater in comparison CMS and Shapes lack. Proacs. ATC SCM12 too. Quested H108 if you can find them are better dark speakers than the CMS and Shapes.
Barefoot Footprints are cool but aluminum. KEF LS50 Meta at lower volumes but aluminum.
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Post by Blackdawg on Jun 17, 2021 9:51:59 GMT -6
I'd check out some Genelecs. For a bit more(4k) you could get a pair of 8341a's I believe. You could also get a 2.1 setup in that budget. The GLM software works great too. I'd recommend check it out.
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Post by svart on Jun 17, 2021 10:13:55 GMT -6
Used Neumann kh310's
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Post by mcirish on Jun 17, 2021 10:42:24 GMT -6
I have the Dynaudio LYD48 and I like them quite a bit.
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Post by Mister Chase on Jun 17, 2021 11:07:39 GMT -6
PMC’s are weird but have detail. The smaller ones are even weirder and put the out of phase bass up higher. I don’t agree with them very much. Focal Solo 6 will give you the detail that the pretty much underwater in comparison CMS and Shapes lack. Proacs. ATC SCM12 too. Quested H108 if you can find them are better dark speakers than the CMS and Shapes. Barefoot Footprints are cool but aluminum. KEF LS50 Meta at lower volumes but aluminum. That is sort of what I was wondering about the Solo6. Focal's seem to have a sound and I suppose I've learned to work with my cms 50s, but hoping the Solo6 be would maybe be a little more transparent. They certainly have gone up in price. I don't really have a place near me in state to try any but I think you and another friend of mine say it's a big enough upgrade to be immediately noticeable.
I'll check out the other brands as well. Thanks Dan.
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Post by Mister Chase on Jun 17, 2021 11:08:55 GMT -6
I'd check out some Genelecs. For a bit more(4k) you could get a pair of 8341a's I believe. You could also get a 2.1 setup in that budget. The GLM software works great too. I'd recommend check it out. Hmmm 4k used?
I just saw Warren Huart doing the whole software correction thing. If I am being honest, this almost square room will never be quite right of course even with my best treatment efforts. The best I can do is make the sweet spot flat but everywhere else is still a nightmare ha ha.
So the software correction is intriguing to me.
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Post by Mister Chase on Jun 17, 2021 11:09:28 GMT -6
Those look nice. Is there anything true about a monitor being too large for a room? I'm in a 10'x12'.
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Post by Mister Chase on Jun 17, 2021 11:09:43 GMT -6
I have the Dynaudio LYD48 and I like them quite a bit. Will check them out! Thank you!
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Post by Blackdawg on Jun 17, 2021 11:20:03 GMT -6
I'd check out some Genelecs. For a bit more(4k) you could get a pair of 8341a's I believe. You could also get a 2.1 setup in that budget. The GLM software works great too. I'd recommend check it out. Hmmm 4k used?
I just saw Warren Huart doing the whole software correction thing. If I am being honest, this almost square room will never be quite right of course even with my best treatment efforts. The best I can do is make the sweet spot flat but everywhere else is still a nightmare ha ha.
So the software correction is intriguing to me.
ah yeah maybe. Sorry i think the prices may have gone up.. I have 8351a's in my main studio with sub. And 8240a's in my home studio with a sub. The GLM really does help. The stereo imaging is amazing with it on. EQ wise I think it does help too but the phase correction is the big one for me. Pretty impressive. So maybe a pair of 8340's would be worth a look. Add a sub to it later maybe? If you have digital outs on your interface, then the genelecs become the DACs for the speakers as you just run an AES line to them. I love that. They sound great. I know not everyone is a fan but as with all things its subjective as hell.
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Post by svart on Jun 17, 2021 11:29:05 GMT -6
Those look nice. Is there anything true about a monitor being too large for a room? I'm in a 10'x12'. I don't think so. Since they're self-powered, even at low levels they maintain fidelity. They don't need to "open up" with large amounts of power from an amp, so I don't think they need space to develop the tone. They're also sealed designs. I usually use mine barely above talking level and occasionally turn them up while doing other things around the studio or to please the client a bit so I haven't heard much difference in tone. The only thing I personally think is necessary is to sit back a couple feet if possible. The waveguides do a great job getting rid of the tweeter beaming, but I find that the best mix of drivers is about 2ft away. Closer than that and you can pick out the individual speaker outputs.
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Post by ragan on Jun 17, 2021 11:54:37 GMT -6
I am also a big fan of my LYD48s, but it's not like I have a bunch of experience with tons of monitors. That said, I know what I want to hear (detail and depth, presented in a non-fatiguing way) and the 3-way LYD48s give me that.
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Post by Mister Chase on Jun 17, 2021 12:02:38 GMT -6
Hmmm 4k used?
I just saw Warren Huart doing the whole software correction thing. If I am being honest, this almost square room will never be quite right of course even with my best treatment efforts. The best I can do is make the sweet spot flat but everywhere else is still a nightmare ha ha.
So the software correction is intriguing to me.
ah yeah maybe. Sorry i think the prices may have gone up.. I have 8351a's in my main studio with sub. And 8240a's in my home studio with a sub. The GLM really does help. The stereo imaging is amazing with it on. EQ wise I think it does help too but the phase correction is the big one for me. Pretty impressive. So maybe a pair of 8340's would be worth a look. Add a sub to it later maybe? If you have digital outs on your interface, then the genelecs become the DACs for the speakers as you just run an AES line to them. I love that. They sound great. I know not everyone is a fan but as with all things its subjective as hell. Because of my utter disappointment in the price, I submit that you now have to purchase me the Genelec 8341s.
Hehe.
Interesting as they have DAC built in. This is a lot to consider. Wow. The room correction side of thing really could help me...
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Post by Mister Chase on Jun 17, 2021 12:03:40 GMT -6
Those look nice. Is there anything true about a monitor being too large for a room? I'm in a 10'x12'. I don't think so. Since they're self-powered, even at low levels they maintain fidelity. They don't need to "open up" with large amounts of power from an amp, so I don't think they need space to develop the tone. They're also sealed designs. I usually use mine barely above talking level and occasionally turn them up while doing other things around the studio or to please the client a bit so I haven't heard much difference in tone. The only thing I personally think is necessary is to sit back a couple feet if possible. The waveguides do a great job getting rid of the tweeter beaming, but I find that the best mix of drivers is about 2ft away. Closer than that and you can pick out the individual speaker outputs. Ok cool. Interesting. I'm at about 3.5ft from my monitors so I am good.
Decisions decisions.
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Post by ericn on Jun 17, 2021 12:04:21 GMT -6
Those look nice. Is there anything true about a monitor being too large for a room? I'm in a 10'x12'. Room size no. Listening distance yes, you need to be far enough back that the drivers mix together otherwise it can sound like your just listening to a woofer, mid or tweeter.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2021 13:56:52 GMT -6
PMC’s are weird but have detail. The smaller ones are even weirder and put the out of phase bass up higher. I don’t agree with them very much. Focal Solo 6 will give you the detail that the pretty much underwater in comparison CMS and Shapes lack. Proacs. ATC SCM12 too. Quested H108 if you can find them are better dark speakers than the CMS and Shapes. Barefoot Footprints are cool but aluminum. KEF LS50 Meta at lower volumes but aluminum. That is sort of what I was wondering about the Solo6. Focal's seem to have a sound and I suppose I've learned to work with my cms 50s, but hoping the Solo6 be would maybe be a little more transparent. They certainly have gone up in price. I don't really have a place near me in state to try any but I think you and another friend of mine say it's a big enough upgrade to be immediately noticeable.
I'll check out the other brands as well. Thanks Dan.
Everything else mentioned in this thread is more cohesive than the Solo 6. Beyond muddy/resonant/warm/there’s something wrong with it low end and very detailed, clear but not clean, top. So are the CMS and Shapes but if you hear them back to back, they pretty much have no detail vs the Solos and the alu/mag alloy tweeter sounds like it’s covered in Vaseline. Focals not the Alphas and super boxy tiny ones sound good but I can’t imagine doing any work or making decisions on the ones I’ve used or heard. How could you? There’s little space in-between “good” and “awful” on them.
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Post by Blackdawg on Jun 17, 2021 14:21:22 GMT -6
ah yeah maybe. Sorry i think the prices may have gone up.. I have 8351a's in my main studio with sub. And 8240a's in my home studio with a sub. The GLM really does help. The stereo imaging is amazing with it on. EQ wise I think it does help too but the phase correction is the big one for me. Pretty impressive. So maybe a pair of 8340's would be worth a look. Add a sub to it later maybe? If you have digital outs on your interface, then the genelecs become the DACs for the speakers as you just run an AES line to them. I love that. They sound great. I know not everyone is a fan but as with all things its subjective as hell. Because of my utter disappointment in the price, I submit that you now have to purchase me the Genelec 8341s.
Hehe.
Interesting as they have DAC built in. This is a lot to consider. Wow. The room correction side of thing really could help me...
ha! You get a Genelec...and You get a Genelec! Yeah all of mine are fed via AES. At the studio i use an AX32 to feed all 9 Genelecs plus sub via AES. Speakers do the conversion. At home i use the built in AES out on the Digi192 to go to my sub and then the 8240's. Which is why I haven't bothered with getting a more high end DAC. I already have that, in the speakers. Kind of handy that way.
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