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Post by drbill on Jun 8, 2021 18:09:38 GMT -6
Mix Class of 2021 - cover photo and lead article. Round Table Recording - Indianapolis. Kudo's Jeff!!!!!! Beautiful room! www.mixonline.com/recording/facilities/the-mix-class-of-2021Still loving my Hedback room every day of every week of every year since Mix Mag's class of 2016. Thank you, thank you Jeff!!
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Post by gouge on Jun 9, 2021 6:09:04 GMT -6
if those rooms are the best the worlds top designers are producing then the worlds top designers are in serious need of exposure to the worlds top designers. the actual worlds top designers.....there i said it...
p.s. i don;t include wes lachot in that commentary.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Jun 10, 2021 20:12:17 GMT -6
Some of those rooms look so comfy and others are so cold I wouldn’t be able to work in them. Pretty cool to see the diversity of what people want!
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Post by Ward on Jun 11, 2021 6:34:27 GMT -6
Some of those rooms look so comfy and others are so cold I wouldn’t be able to work in them. Pretty cool to see the diversity of what people want! I could not agree more. Wood, cloth, texture, warm colors, soft lighting, creature comforts, curiosities, style, vibe, clean air, fresh smells . . . there are so many little things you can do to make a studio a productive pleasant workplace. That ethos seems to have escaped some folks
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Post by gouge on Jun 11, 2021 8:12:55 GMT -6
there are plenty of examples of exceptional spaces around the world and stores full of books dissecting those spaces. i cant see any similarities with the spaces in the article other than wes lachots who wears his influences on his sleeve. creating pleasant spaces is so much more than Wood, cloth, texture, warm colors, soft lighting, creature comforts, curiosities, style, vibe, clean air, fresh smells but that does escape many people or to be fair is just not an idea many people are aware of as they see decorating as what defines a space. these spaces on the other hand.. thespaces.com/striking-a-chord-recording-studios-that-sync-design-and-function/
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Post by jmoose on Jun 11, 2021 13:39:26 GMT -6
I was the lead carpenter on a room that ended up in Mix class of 2007 or 2008... there's certainly some behind the scenes politics involved with how they choose what to feature.
Having been involved in the process (outside looking in) sometimes the picture they choose can be sorta odd and maybe not a great representation of the whole space. With June Audio, IMO there are more eye-popping pictures available then what they chose to publish. Handful of years ago I mixed an album that Scott Wiley tracked in his old spot and damn, it sounded good coming in...
He documented the whole build of that new space. The storage locker for instruments is insane. Never seen anything like it.
Anyway certainly more to building a nice space then some choice gear. As time marches on that's like, one of the least important things to me at a shop given that there's at a least a particular level of integrity.
If you spend a lot of time in a studio its gotta be comfortable. And there needs to be space to get away from everything and maybe even fix a borked piece of gear... Been in a number of studios where the lounge is a tiny afterthought, there's zero storage with shit all over the place... total visual distraction and not even a place to change guitar strings.
Could have the most bad ass gear on the planet but if I can't find a spot to check and adjust the intonation on a guitar I'm not coming back.
Regardless of my thoughts on current state of Mix Magazine its just really nice to see that people are still investing in the build out of new spaces. And there's room for all kinds of studios doing all kinds of different work. I only see the positives in that.
And while I haven't had the pleasure of meeting or working w/ Jeff Hedback, he did design and build the room for a guy I've sent many albums to over the last handful of years. My pal Cass Anawaty at Sonoran Mastering can't say enough good things about him.
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Post by gouge on Jun 11, 2021 19:54:09 GMT -6
I was the lead carpenter on a room that ended up in Mix class of 2007 or 2008... there's certainly some behind the scenes politics involved with how they choose what to feature. Having been involved in the process (outside looking in) sometimes the picture they choose can be sorta odd and maybe not a great representation of the whole space. With June Audio, IMO there are more eye-popping pictures available then what they chose to publish. Handful of years ago I mixed an album that Scott Wiley tracked in his old spot and damn, it sounded good coming in... He documented the whole build of that new space. The storage locker for instruments is insane. Never seen anything like it. Anyway certainly more to building a nice space then some choice gear. As time marches on that's like, one of the least important things to me at a shop given that there's at a least a particular level of integrity. If you spend a lot of time in a studio its gotta be comfortable. And there needs to be space to get away from everything and maybe even fix a borked piece of gear... Been in a number of studios where the lounge is a tiny afterthought, there's zero storage with shit all over the place... total visual distraction and not even a place to change guitar strings. Could have the most bad ass gear on the planet but if I can't find a spot to check and adjust the intonation on a guitar I'm not coming back. Regardless of my thoughts on current state of Mix Magazine its just really nice to see that people are still investing in the build out of new spaces. And there's room for all kinds of studios doing all kinds of different work. I only see the positives in that. And while I haven't had the pleasure of meeting or working w/ Jeff Hedback, he did design and build the room for a guy I've sent many albums to over the last handful of years. My pal Cass Anawaty at Sonoran Mastering can't say enough good things about him. you highlight one of the issues here that the person choosing the images may not be the best person to be tasked with that job. politics within the media world can also be at play. colleagues and i were having that very conversation yesterday in the firm i work at. ultimately as our director prefers to control his brand we tend to manage our own online presence. we have to as our name is built upon our design ability.
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Post by drbill on Jun 11, 2021 20:03:32 GMT -6
And while I haven't had the pleasure of meeting or working w/ Jeff Hedback, he did design and build the room for a guy I've sent many albums to over the last handful of years. My pal Cass Anawaty at Sonoran Mastering can't say enough good things about him. 2020-2021? How many great studio's actually got built this last year. Especially with Covid and the business the way it is. I think Mix is lucky that ANY got built. But as to Jeff - Hedback is an amazing designer. And better than that - an individual who is adept at solving PROBLEMS rather than dictating his personal design agenda. (That got 2-3 excellent designers fired here before they ever got started. It was their way or the highway, and I had to be subservient to their creative vision - not the other way around. Not sure how they can even get work. Sad.) That creative problem solving mentality was the #1 reason I hired Jeff. That and stellar recommendations from guys I know who had used him before me. At the end of the project (and is there really EVER an end... ) my room came out ruler flat from 180Hz to 20k - and virtually identical left to right. RULER flat. I've got glass doors on one side that are affecting with a small 1.5dB dip around 180Hz that is slightly different between Left to Right (glass), but I knew there would be compromises going in. Hedback overcame virtually all of the problems I threw at him thanks to creativity, and open-mindedness on his part - and his commitment to my vision of bringing the OUTside forested area INto the studio. He killed it. Add to that that he's a wonderful person, and it was a win, Win, WIN!! for me. Couldn't be happier. As for the other studio's in mix magazine... The bottom line is in the SOUND not what they look like on paper. I'm not quite sure how some folks can seemingly judge that from reading an on-line article. But whatever.
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Post by gouge on Jun 11, 2021 21:29:42 GMT -6
am happy for you that you are happy, but we need to acknowledge it is possible to achieve both a world class sound and a world class finsh.
i'm sure every line hedback draws is influenced by his personal design agenda, it's just in his case his agenda suited your agenda. nothing wrong with clients finding the best fit. some designers will advise clients they are not the best fit and suggest another designer. after all its the designer that has the experience. not the client. would you allow your clients to mix for you. i'd bet not.
if i look at the hedback room in the article and judge it on what it is which is the image presented. i am left very underwhelmed. i'd suggest rather than solving problems he has created problems. The lines of the floor tiles fight against the lines on the walls. the colours of the pallette clash. maybe in a bigger room that may have worked but here in this small room it doesn't work. it makes me feel dizzy. as you said, none of that has anything to do with the sound but is certainly part of the design. most of the other rooms in the article suffer from the same basic issues.
ceilings so busy the room feels compressed, palettes so stark they make the space feel cold or so disparate there is an overwhelming sense of tension. there are a couple that are better than others but i'd suggest the only room that is truly cohesive is the Wes Lachot room.
Seems Wes is capable of solving all of the problems. interestingly he also took the photo.
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Post by Ward on Jun 12, 2021 9:10:51 GMT -6
As for the other studio's in mix magazine... The bottom line is in the SOUND not what they look like on paper. All true, and the snipped parts too. However, the aesthetic is so important when you are doing anything besides foley work. You and I both have beautiful looking and sounding studios with obscene amounts of gear in them . . . and what happens when clients/collaborators/others walk in? "Oh wow, what a great place to work". Design first (thank you Jeff and others), construction, equipment and appointment. Ergonomics are incredibly important. I've been in some studios that are so 'cold', I want to leave immediately. YMMV.
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Post by drbill on Jun 12, 2021 9:41:46 GMT -6
after all its the designer that has the experience. not the client. would you allow your clients to mix for you. i'd bet not. I absolutely take direction from clients. I'll do the mix and make it great (hopefully), but their direction is very important in pointing me the right direction. It's THEIR project, not mine. As for the designer and experience - I've been in and worked in dozens, no, probably hundreds of studio's. I know quite well what I want. And what I don't want. And I want the designer to follow my esthetic - not theirs. I need them for their expertise and attention to detail. Not to design their own studio. Some studio designers can be some of the most egotistical and myopic folks on the planet - which is what led me away from others and to Jeff. I got along great with Jeff. He knows how to deliver and bridge the gap between proper design requirements and fulfilling a vision without standing in the middle of it.
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Post by jmoose on Jun 12, 2021 17:55:23 GMT -6
2020-2021? How many great studio's actually got built this last year. Especially with Covid and the business the way it is. I think Mix is lucky that ANY got built. ~~~ As for the other studio's in mix magazine... The bottom line is in the SOUND not what they look like on paper. I'm not quite sure how some folks can seemingly judge that from reading an on-line article. But whatever. I feel like Mix Magazine should feel lucky they're still in business and anyone still cares. But that's probably a whole other discussion. Regarding design, pictures and the annual "Class of" piece... having been there... I feel it can be exceptionally hard/disappointing/joyous/overwhelming... "insert adjective here" to take a project that was $100k + and a year or more of your life and have it distilled down to a single photograph and a paragraph or two. All that time money and effort? It becomes a postage stamp that's incredibly hard to judge. New studios open and old studios close all the time, regardless of what a magazine does or doesn't feature.
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Post by drbill on Jun 12, 2021 20:22:33 GMT -6
2020-2021? How many great studio's actually got built this last year. Especially with Covid and the business the way it is. I think Mix is lucky that ANY got built. ~~~ As for the other studio's in mix magazine... The bottom line is in the SOUND not what they look like on paper. I'm not quite sure how some folks can seemingly judge that from reading an on-line article. But whatever. I feel like Mix Magazine should feel lucky they're still in business and anyone still cares. But that's probably a whole other discussion. Regarding design, pictures and the annual "Class of" piece... having been there... I feel it can be exceptionally hard/disappointing/joyous/overwhelming... "insert adjective here" to take a project that was $100k + and a year or more of your life and have it distilled down to a single photograph and a paragraph or two. All that time money and effort? It becomes a postage stamp that's incredibly hard to judge. New studios open and old studios close all the time, regardless of what a magazine does or doesn't feature. Haha! I hear ya J!! Mine was in in 2016, and now the photos are gone too. Only a tiny paragraph blurb. LOL
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Post by gouge on Jun 12, 2021 20:33:15 GMT -6
I feel it can be exceptionally hard/disappointing/joyous/overwhelming... "insert adjective here" to take a project that was $100k + and a year or more of your life and have it distilled down to a single photograph and a paragraph or two. All that time money and effort? It becomes a postage stamp that's incredibly hard to judge. this is why designers need to take control of what's written and what imagery gets used. what gets printed is what defines the work to new clients. that goes for everyone on the team, from the builder through to every consultant. the firms i've worked for that do the best work are also the ones that have a say in who the rest of the team are and what gets published. one particular company i worked for had a group of 4-5 builders that built everything. clients who wanted a different builder were moved along because we just couldn't guarantee the level of quality the client was asking for without using a builder we knew was top of the game. the same philosophy was applied to the entire consultant team.
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Post by gouge on Jun 12, 2021 20:47:20 GMT -6
after all its the designer that has the experience. not the client. would you allow your clients to mix for you. i'd bet not. I absolutely take direction from clients. I'll do the mix and make it great (hopefully), but their direction is very important in pointing me the right direction. It's THEIR project, not mine. As for the designer and experience - I've been in and worked in dozens, no, probably hundreds of studio's. I know quite well what I want. And what I don't want. And I want the designer to follow my esthetic - not theirs. I need them for their expertise and attention to detail. Not to design their own studio. Some studio designers can be some of the most egotistical and myopic folks on the planet - which is what led me away from others and to Jeff. I got along great with Jeff. He knows how to deliver and bridge the gap between proper design requirements and fulfilling a vision without standing in the middle of it. i think you are confusing brief with design philosophy. they aren't the same thing. edit. dr bill you do realise hedback is not a designer right? his thing is acoustics.
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Post by ehrenebbage on Jun 13, 2021 7:19:22 GMT -6
And while I haven't had the pleasure of meeting or working w/ Jeff Hedback, he did design and build the room for a guy I've sent many albums to over the last handful of years. My pal Cass Anawaty at Sonoran Mastering can't say enough good things about him. 2020-2021? How many great studio's actually got built this last year. Especially with Covid and the business the way it is. I think Mix is lucky that ANY got built. Derek Trost designed my space...he told me that business has actually increased this year!
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Post by jeremygillespie on Jun 13, 2021 12:52:57 GMT -6
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Post by Ward on Jun 14, 2021 5:36:15 GMT -6
edit. dr bill you do realise hedback is not a designer right? his thing is acoustics. Geez, that's a little condescending, don't you think? Jeff participates in design and works his acoustic magic in conjunction with design, which he is a part of.
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Post by gouge on Jun 14, 2021 6:05:34 GMT -6
not condescending at all. its the reality. i don't call myself an acoustic engineer. it wouldnt be condescending if hedback said i wasn't an acoustic engineer.
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Post by gouge on Jun 14, 2021 6:31:07 GMT -6
2020-2021? How many great studio's actually got built this last year. Especially with Covid and the business the way it is. I think Mix is lucky that ANY got built. Derek Trost designed my space...he told me that business has actually increased this year! Does he have a website? I saw one image online that looked pretty cohesive but didnt find much. Is he designing camera gear now.
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Post by ehrenebbage on Jun 14, 2021 11:19:11 GMT -6
Derek Trost designed my space...he told me that business has actually increased this year! Does he have a website? I saw one image online that looked pretty cohesive but didnt find much. Is he designing camera gear now. derektrost.wordpress.com/I don't think he puts a ton of effort into self promotion so I'm not sure how up to date his site is. Re: camera gear, he designed this: www.trostmotion.com/My main point in posting was just to say that some segment of the studio build business is cruising right along, at least in these parts. Back on topic, I spoke to Jeff about doing my space. He was great to talk to and probably would have done a fantastic job. Like Dr. Bill, I really appreciated his willingness to discuss my specific ideas.
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Post by drbill on Jun 14, 2021 11:28:21 GMT -6
. edit. dr bill you do realise hedback is not a designer right? his thing is acoustics. I think you are wrong there. He is both. His main emphasis may be acoustics, but he is active in design as well. And in practical situations, IMO, the two overlap completely. One affects the other - and vice versa.
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Post by drbill on Jun 14, 2021 11:44:14 GMT -6
i don't call myself an acoustic engineer. Are you a studio "designer"?
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Post by gouge on Jun 14, 2021 15:46:23 GMT -6
I work for architectural practices. My background 30 years or so ago was as a building designer so more of a technical based education but my focus over the past 20 years has been design underpinned by my technical skills.
So Have worked for design based architectural practices for most of my career in 2 countries designing, documenting and delivering many different project types from schools to theatres to aged care to high end residential and multi res.
Certainly have a passion for residential so have enjoyed a lot of work in that area.
I understand a basic level of acoustics. Have designed and built a small number of studios from the ground up including the wiring, furniture and treatments. I deal with acoustics and buildings daily and work with acoustic engineers regularly.
Dont consider myself an acoustic engineer or an electrician but do feel im more than qualified to enter into a conversation about designing spaces.
Im not here to sell stuff or pick up clients, if you want to have an open conversation about good design then im all ears.
maybe we could tone down the patronising commentary about egotistical designers pushing their own philosophy and actually dig into what makes a good design.
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Post by drbill on Jun 14, 2021 21:04:03 GMT -6
maybe we could tone down the patronising commentary about egotistical designers pushing their own philosophy and actually dig into what makes a good design. WTH?!?!?!?!? Egotistical designers? Sounds like sour grapes to me.... Obviously you've never met Jeff. I'm out of this conversation after this. I know a dozen guys who have had / have wonderful relationships with the man / designer / acoustician when he DESIGNED and helped build their rooms. So sorry that grinds you the wrong way. Wish I'd never brought it up. Couldn't have ever imagined it would cause such a stir..... Hasta la vista!
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