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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 6, 2021 15:42:30 GMT -6
Everyone knows that you will sound like the Beatles when you get the right gear.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jun 6, 2021 15:46:09 GMT -6
Right, just use the Fab preset and Ringo’s your uncle
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Post by OtisGreying on Jun 6, 2021 16:05:57 GMT -6
I have to admit...reading stuff like this makes me wonder why I even bother to have the board. A thread about what a waste of time a thread on a forum is. Now I’ve seen it all. A forum is a waste of time for the user when the user no longer needs the forum.. needs change I can very much agree a significant amount of time I spent exploring the forum can be wasted time because I’m looking for something to need, rather than actually needing something. Research and studying can become quite an insidious thing because you think you are helping yourself when in fact the only productive thing left for you to do may be to actually finish records A-Z and release. Then on the other hand I find valuable advice all the time here that I put into practice cause I still do have a lot of learning to do.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jun 6, 2021 16:18:15 GMT -6
But do you have a vintage 1204 Electrodyne console that will surely call upon the spirit of Frank Sinatra and The Beach Boys....? “They used this on Pet Sounds”
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jun 6, 2021 16:24:20 GMT -6
For what it’s worth, I love the non-gear related stuff here in particular. So much engineering knowledge.
The twice repeated trick on using an off axis room mic straight to a 100% wet reverb as a drum mojo thing was inspiring (from the snare verb thread). Got it all set up last night and today it’s like “well I guess I need to put down drum track to try this.”
What kills me is “I’m bored, let me check RGO for the fifth time this morning.” Not good. Haha.
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Post by chessparov on Jun 6, 2021 16:24:36 GMT -6
That's ok, I'm sorry my post could be misread. Everyone's human! I should ask "Spock" that question next time. Well half a glass is better than none. Chris
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Post by jmoose on Jun 6, 2021 16:38:14 GMT -6
I'm at a point where I can't and won't buy new gear, while I have a pressing need to direct my mind towards different pursuits, specifically songwriting. I, personally, can't do both. If I'm thinking about reverbs, transformers and mics I'm not thinking about lyrical subjects or filling my mind with "stuff" that will come out as songs. That's my own process, and I'm sure everyone has their own. I totally get that. Have said for a long time that if I were only working on my own music I'd own far less equipment. Everything from mics & outboard to guitar pedals... to fulfill my personal musical pursuits & aesthetic I don't need that much. At this point my tastes are fairly developed. Not to say I don't like trying new things, because I do but I don't a zillion options on hand. Art lives and dies by its limitations and certainly writing and performing music is art. The reality is that I do have a lot equipment but I'm probably coming at this from a way different angle... In the few months I've been kicking around here it seems like a fair amount of people are basically working on their own music as opposed to being a producer/mixer/studio for hire. That's more my angle and the reason I have a lot of stuff... options! When someone's looking for a specific tone I probably have something on hand that can get it. Part of the gig, its like being a mechanic with a well stocked toolbox. Probably nothing drove that point home for me harder then a couple years ago when my band released our first EP. What got released was never intended to be anything more then demo recordings... but sometimes things don't work out despite best intentions. Instead no, it was drum mics plugged right into a Focusrite interface and vocal through an ART tube MP. And the recording is super raw and unpolished, but absolutely perfect because of its imperfections. The other side of that, is that if/when I am working on my own music I really want nothing to do with the actual nuts & bolts recording. Much prefer to hire that out, even if its just one phase and concentrate on playing my instrument. Not that I want to be uninvolved but choose to put my energy into big picture stuff rather then worrying about if levels got all clipped out or the kick mic slipped & is making contact with the head. Its more division of duties. If I'm the artist then someone else can be the technician. And that's rad. Because then instead of me spending time picking a snare drum reverb I can just walk into the mix session and say WTF is that reverb? I hate it, use something else... One of the most valuable things that a DIY self recording artist throws out the door is the ability to have a first impression. If you try to write, record, mix everything yourself you NEVER have the opportunity to hear anything fresh, like an outsider might... and you lose that reaction. Honestly as a mix guy/producer for hire that's the most powerful tool in my box. Getting someone's first impression. So combine that loss of first impression with the option anxiety of having a studio full of gear like 4 dozen distortion pedals to pick from? Yeah, totally get it.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jun 6, 2021 17:07:32 GMT -6
Without RGO, there would be no personal connection to anything gear related in my life, other than old friends.
I think Stormy Mondays is simply trying to talk himself into getting back to work and focusing on music. When you're actually really busy, there's little time for a forum anyway. You'll find stopping by RGO is a relief when you get really busy.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 6, 2021 17:30:06 GMT -6
I just don’t even know why this is an issue. No one is making anyone spend time here. If it’s a distraction and you’re not benefitting from being here or you think it’s stupid - why are you here? I don’t think ANYONE here is hyping stuff. I know that I purposely call people out if they say “you can’t do this if you don’t have X...” I guess I’m just not relating to being paralyzed by the message board.
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Post by jmoose on Jun 6, 2021 20:58:31 GMT -6
I just don’t even know why this is an issue. No one is making anyone spend time here. If it’s a distraction and you’re not benefitting from being here or you think it’s stupid - why are you here? I don’t think ANYONE here is hyping stuff. I know that I purposely call people out if they say “you can’t do this if you don’t have X...” I guess I’m just not relating to being paralyzed by the message board. That wasn't my take at all. That it's a hype thing..? More that it's an option anxiety thing. I've met and worked with lots of people like that. Gear as a general distraction. Like they'll be thinking about microphones for guitar, and instead of spending a couple 3 hours cutting a solo and some ear candy on a song they spend a couple 3 hours doing a mic shootout. Nothing wrong with shootouts but there's a time and place for them. That time and place is usually not when your trying to actually make a record. For some people it's a form of procrastination. Couple years ago I produced an album for some guys that had started at home. One day we had a really similar conversation and the studio owner asked, how much time do you spend looking at the Vintage King website instead of cutting tracks?
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Post by levon on Jun 7, 2021 2:13:27 GMT -6
Buying and obsessing over gear has never stopped me from writing songs and creating music. My last album was finished in March 2020. In December, I had written 11 new tracks that are now, slowly, being recorded. Meanwhile, I have enjoyed my time here and bought some great selected gear. But music always comes first. Maybe that's just me.
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Post by stormymondays on Jun 7, 2021 2:49:40 GMT -6
Many great takes here, and I totally get the other point of view. Once I'm really busy and immersed in the "other" stuff, dropping by and talk gear can we a welcome relief. We'll see. Thank you all, have fun. For a few months I'll be trying to make a record instead of testing microphones and planning which gear to buy. But I'll be back!
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Post by Guitar on Jun 7, 2021 5:11:39 GMT -6
I just don’t even know why this is an issue. No one is making anyone spend time here. If it’s a distraction and you’re not benefitting from being here or you think it’s stupid - why are you here? I don’t think ANYONE here is hyping stuff. I know that I purposely call people out if they say “you can’t do this if you don’t have X...” I guess I’m just not relating to being paralyzed by the message board. I can relate to this, I must be some kind of freak. Buying gear, buying too many plugins, gets me excited to play. Getting excited to play invariably leads to new musical ideas being express, which leads to tracking. Which gets me excited about mixing. Then I get to read about mastering, master something. It's like this big storm of of gear/forums/music here, and I love it. It doesn't hold me back at all, and I know everyone is 'different', but I don't relate to the idea of being distracted by gear, to me it's inspiring. If anything, the gear habit could be a 'crutch' for me, and I could try to 'man up' like drumsound did and take a year or two off and save some money, keep writing/playing. I'd probably still hang around the forums either way, for me it's all about the discussions, the ideas, sometimes wisdom, friendship. I can't write/play all day long. So I'll take some time for forums, some time for building/DIY, etc. And yes, time for life itself in the larger sense, that's important too. Maybe I have more free time than most human beings, probably do, but that's my perspective for what it's worth. Also understand that RGO is very compelling. Something about this forum is more exciting than most. I think of it as an "experts" forum. So yeah like any computer based activity one might need to watch how many hours a day are being spent. For me personally that means being mindful of it but not unparticipating. I'm sure it's different for other people. You've built a pretty special community here, IMO. As far as I've seen membership has been growing steadily, but I'm not aware of actual statistics. I'm very grateful for RGO, and I'm sure there's a lot work behind the scenes, so thank you.
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Post by notneeson on Jun 7, 2021 8:40:40 GMT -6
I’m really grateful to this community, I have definitely added a few tools to my arsenal that make me more productive. That’s great ROI on my time spent here vs. the purple place or, worst of all, Facebook.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2021 8:53:46 GMT -6
Buying and obsessing over gear has never stopped me from writing songs and creating music. My last album was finished in March 2020. In December, I had written 11 new tracks that are now, slowly, being recorded. Meanwhile, I have enjoyed my time here and bought some great selected gear. But music always comes first. Maybe that's just me. We're all different and I guess I'm not unlike ol' Stormageddon in some regards, either I'm obsessive compulsive (most likely) or I'm just super bad at multi-tasking but either way once I focus on an upgrade cycle or tech I can't think of anything else. If RGO, GS <insert audio equipment forum> here didn't exist I'd be mulling over TapeOp or SW reviews constantly.. Fortunately I'm pretty good at detracting myself from everything when I really need to get going, like I said I'm sure there are other reasons.. I don't have an infinite budget so buying the right thing is key, I know I could get away with mostly modest stuff but the fear of abject failure compels me to get the sound in my head irrelevant. Whilst I save, swap out or modify my existing chain everything goes into disarray and simply put I think I'm too hard on myself, which is great when it pushes you forward but it often stops progress before it begins. Excuses like "I need to do X before I can really prosper".. When it comes to any other aspect I'm so laid back it's ridiculous, apparently recording my own music is the white whale.
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Post by notneeson on Jun 7, 2021 9:20:41 GMT -6
Buying and obsessing over gear has never stopped me from writing songs and creating music. My last album was finished in March 2020. In December, I had written 11 new tracks that are now, slowly, being recorded. Meanwhile, I have enjoyed my time here and bought some great selected gear. But music always comes first. Maybe that's just me. We're all different and I guess I'm not unlike ol' Stormageddon in some regards, either I'm obsessive compulsive (most likely) or I'm just super bad at multi-tasking but either way once I focus on an upgrade cycle or tech I can't think of anything else. If RGO, GS <insert audio equipment forum> here didn't exist I'd be mulling over TapeOp or SW reviews constantly.. Fortunately I'm pretty good at detracting myself from everything when I really need to get going, like I said I'm sure there are other reasons.. I don't have an infinite budget so buying the right thing is key, I know I could get away with mostly modest stuff but the fear of abject failure compels me to get the sound in my head irrelevant. Whilst I save, swap out or modify my existing chain everything goes into disarray and simply put I think I'm too hard on myself, which is great when it pushes you forward but it often stops progress before it begins. Excuses like "I need to do X before I can really prosper".. When it comes to any other aspect I'm so laid back it's ridiculous, apparently recording my own music is the white whale. Basics for the record I’m mixing were done at a place called White Whale. It’s kind of the perfect studio name.
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Post by robschnapf on Jun 7, 2021 9:30:48 GMT -6
But do you have a vintage 1204 Electrodyne console that will surely call upon the spirit of Frank Sinatra and The Beach Boys....? Don’t drag me into this
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Post by drbill on Jun 7, 2021 9:37:25 GMT -6
I've figured out a great way to stop buying gear. . Move your efforts and money into buying a second house to help out a relative in significant need in 2021. The market right now is insane and it takes everything ya got - money, concentration and time. I'm still happy to be here though. I do realize it's been quite awhile since contributing anything of significance to the "what gear did you just buy" thread. LOL. No worries. All things change. All things pass. All things circle around. I'm sure we'll see stormymondays back around soon. I wish him well with the writing. Writing is the essence.....
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jun 7, 2021 10:15:04 GMT -6
We're all different and I guess I'm not unlike ol' Stormageddon in some regards, either I'm obsessive compulsive (most likely) or I'm just super bad at multi-tasking but either way once I focus on an upgrade cycle or tech I can't think of anything else. If RGO, GS <insert audio equipment forum> here didn't exist I'd be mulling over TapeOp or SW reviews constantly.. Fortunately I'm pretty good at detracting myself from everything when I really need to get going, like I said I'm sure there are other reasons.. I don't have an infinite budget so buying the right thing is key, I know I could get away with mostly modest stuff but the fear of abject failure compels me to get the sound in my head irrelevant. Whilst I save, swap out or modify my existing chain everything goes into disarray and simply put I think I'm too hard on myself, which is great when it pushes you forward but it often stops progress before it begins. Excuses like "I need to do X before I can really prosper".. When it comes to any other aspect I'm so laid back it's ridiculous, apparently recording my own music is the white whale. Basics for the record I’m mixing were done at a place called White Whale. It’s kind of the perfect studio name. That is perfect. What about a project studio called The Money Pit. Not a bad idea. Call it what it is.
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Post by Omicron9 on Jun 7, 2021 10:21:55 GMT -6
@johnkenn, I think you've done/are doing an amazing job with RGO.
For me, I stop by about once a day while having a tea. I'm not on every day, but most days. By contrast, I hit the purple forum maybe 4 - 5 times/year. There's no comparison. This place is populated by what appear to be dedicated professionals, lifers, and mature folks with knowledge. I've found it to be a helpful and welcoming place for getting opinions and user stories on gear I'm considering. My studios are in a pretty stable place and it's very rare that I need anything, but in those rare instances, RGO has been a helpful place. And I've shared my experiences a time or two and I hope that's been helpful. As for me, I'm not a professional RE, but I am a professional/touring/recording musician with an two active home studios. I think RGO hits the right balance of knowledge, experience, professionalism, maturity, and friendliness. It's a fine community and I always enjoy my daily peeks into it.
Thanks and regards, -09
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Post by plinker on Jun 7, 2021 13:19:37 GMT -6
Maybe just stay off the "Pro Audio" forum and stick to "What Are You Working on", "Bourbon", and "Off Topic"?
That way you can continue to engage the community, learn some new approaches, and have fun w/o the unnecessary influence of gear lust.
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Post by ericn on Jun 7, 2021 15:09:08 GMT -6
I just don’t even know why this is an issue. No one is making anyone spend time here. If it’s a distraction and you’re not benefitting from being here or you think it’s stupid - why are you here? I don’t think ANYONE here is hyping stuff. I know that I purposely call people out if they say “you can’t do this if you don’t have X...” I guess I’m just not relating to being paralyzed by the message board. Oh do I get where your coming from. In my gear pimp says it was way to easy to get upset when a client said “no more, I’m done!” Over time I turned it around, I had done my job well, they were happy and because of the advice and gear they were always sending me new clients. For some of us this adventure will never end, we will always be chasing that next step in tone. We can’t abandon the others who have more self control, they are the ones the forums really help. They come here on their musical adventure looking for advice that actually has roots in experience not the GC pro audio dude of the weeks masterbation fantasies. John maybe you need to look at this as more of a graduation. We have taught them well, it is time for them to leave the nest. Do not worry they will be back because they will realize there is always something. Something wrong, something new, something they need clarification of. Saturday night I was reminded of why I am here, I was sitting at the bar across the street and of course he was there. We all know him, that guy, the one who thinks having PT and a generic made in China LDC. You know him, the guy who can always make things sound pretty with his favorite plugins ( ironically Adam was playing Tom Waits so we were listening to anything but pretty). This guy had no concept of painting an environment with choice and position of a mic, has probably never found his happy place by Switching out an API pre for a Neve. Hell he didn’t even seam to notice how if you move your head from side to side where he was sitting you can hear the Comb filtering of the M audio speakers above the bar. I come here to escape that guy, I come here because John Epstein is crotchety, Chris is going to beat me to the stupid pun and one up my response. I come here because Hudson will pop in or Hunter will spill the beans on something I will never have. I come here because JK and Vincent and his wife are the living breathing acid tests for any mic. Martin is a less political Jason Isabel and is buddy MF’s writings were my introduction to John Hiatt, and Richard Thompson. DrBill and I can have a disagreement and still respect each other (Bill of course gives us all street cred with that important Disney audience. I come here because I know I can give Brad, Matt or Jeff a call. I come here because this is a place of people, people who as much as we might disagree about anything else all love audio.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2021 16:29:11 GMT -6
Maybe just stay off the "Pro Audio" forum and stick to "What Are You Working on", "Bourbon", and "Off Topic"? That way you can continue to engage the community, learn some new approaches, and have fun w/o the unnecessary influence of gear lust. Definitely, I was thinking about starting a WIP thread. On that other site for me personally it's one of the best and most helpful threads on there, we have an extremely helpful, knowledgeable and sympathetic community so I doubt "recommendations" would be required. Obviously I'd never want to dictate anything to anyone and I have zero say in anything anyway (which of course I have no issues with). I've just noticed (on other sites) those sort of threads can devolve quickly sometimes, one needs to take criticism on the chin and respect that others are only trying to help. Also on the other side of the fence realise that it's a WIP thread, they aren't going to wrinkle free when they've just come out of the washer, neither is pure negativity useful. Johnkenn, what do you think?
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 7, 2021 18:32:33 GMT -6
I just don’t even know why this is an issue. No one is making anyone spend time here. If it’s a distraction and you’re not benefitting from being here or you think it’s stupid - why are you here? I don’t think ANYONE here is hyping stuff. I know that I purposely call people out if they say “you can’t do this if you don’t have X...” I guess I’m just not relating to being paralyzed by the message board. Oh do I get where your coming from. In my gear pimp says it was way to easy to get upset when a client said “no more, I’m done!” Over time I turned it around, I had done my job well, they were happy and because of the advice and gear they were always sending me new clients. For some of us this adventure will never end, we will always be chasing that next step in tone. We can’t abandon the others who have more self control, they are the ones the forums really help. They come here on their musical adventure looking for advice that actually has roots in experience not the GC pro audio dude of the weeks masterbation fantasies. John maybe you need to look at this as more of a graduation. We have taught them well, it is time for them to leave the nest. Do not worry they will be back because they will realize there is always something. Something wrong, something new, something they need clarification of. Saturday night I was reminded of why I am here, I was sitting at the bar across the street and of course he was there. We all know him, that guy, the one who thinks having PT and a generic made in China LDC. You know him, the guy who can always make things sound pretty with his favorite plugins ( ironically Adam was playing Tom Waits so we were listening to anything but pretty). This guy had no concept of painting an environment with choice and position of a mic, has probably never found his happy place by Switching out an API pre for a Neve. Hell he didn’t even seam to notice how if you move your head from side to side where he was sitting you can hear the Comb filtering of the M audio speakers above the bar. I come here to escape that guy, I come here because John Epstein is crotchety, Chris is going to beat me to the stupid pun and one up my response. I come here because Hudson will pop in or Hunter will spill the beans on something I will never have. I come here because JK and Vincent and his wife are the living breathing acid tests for any mic. Martin is a less political Jason Isabel and is buddy MF’s writings were my introduction to John Hiatt, and Richard Thompson. DrBill and I can have a disagreement and still respect each other (Bill of course gives us all street cred with that important Disney audience. I come here because I know I can give Brad, Matt or Jeff a call. I come here because this is a place of people, people who as much as we might disagree about anything else all love audio. You’re not getting what I’m talking about. I don’t care whether someone is “done” buying stuff or not...hell, I haven’t really gotten much new in a while. But let’s take your gear pimp analogy. Guy calls you up and says “I’m done!” But then he says hold on a sec...and he conferences in your entire client base. Then proceeds to say, “you guys - I’m done - and sometimes I think this all becomes a distraction, so I don’t know about you guys, but I’m going to get to the most important stuff that the real professionals do - no more gear buying!” Really, I shouldn’t really even continue trying to explain why this is weird to me - but I just want you to understand why it was a little weird for me.
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Post by Johnkenn on Jun 7, 2021 18:39:58 GMT -6
Btw - there are plenty of guys that don’t come around much anymore. Not particularly sure why...I think some think they’re above it, I think some are busy with life and family. And that’s fine. What I DO find funny is there’s one particular guy that used to come here a lot and now hasn’t been here in several years. But he texts me occasionally to ask about a piece of gear...and I want to go, “dude, you know I have a pro audio forum, right?” So every time, I reply with a link to the board where his issue has been discussed in depth...There are definitely some people that don’t want their name associated with a “gearslutz-like” forum. That’s cool. There are a lot of people that associate with me in person but wouldn’t post here because they’re just snobby. It just makes me roll my eyes. These are mostly the big hypers on social media. It’s just funny to me.
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