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Post by EmRR on May 18, 2021 18:15:20 GMT -6
Plate o' shrimp: this is all coinciding with the recent turn in which several clients have sent their 320kbps approval mp3's on to mastering, and I've had to intercept with the 88K2/24..... When they do that, is because they don’t “know better” or are trying to pull a fast one and not pay? They really don't know better anymore.
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Post by jeremygillespie on May 18, 2021 18:15:55 GMT -6
Plate o' shrimp: this is all coinciding with the recent turn in which several clients have sent their 320kbps approval mp3's on to mastering, and I've had to intercept with the 88K2/24..... When they do that, is because they don’t “know better” or are trying to pull a fast one and not pay? I’ve had both happen... very frustrating on both accounts.
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Post by Ward on May 18, 2021 20:24:24 GMT -6
When they do that, is because they don’t “know better” or are trying to pull a fast one and not pay? I’ve had both happen... very frustrating on both accounts. So, it's not only me.
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Post by Blackdawg on May 18, 2021 20:27:51 GMT -6
That's the party trick of Atmos though. You don't need all the speakers. You can put however many that you want as a user. The Dolby tech then decodes to fit you setup in the "best" way possible. So you can have just a sound bar. A smart speaker. A sound bar and smart speakers. A full Atmos speakers array or just a tv. And it'll do the work. Doesn't mean it's going to stick. But Dolby was smart with that idea and then getting third parties to just put the tech in everything. Imacs, sound bars, game consoles, av receivers, tvs, ect. I think it'll do a lot better than a standard channel based system. Because it is flexible and works on many devices now. Yeah...I know. 2 speakers in the living room is 2 too many for most. I get away with it. -- but they have to be tucked in.... LOL again though, manufactures are bring the tech to the user. So a sound bar will have like 8-12 speakers and use all kinds of weird stuff to allow atmos to use the space and speakers to give a good sound. In theory.. So the potential is there. The real question is...will people notice and actually care? To be determined I guess.
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Post by popmann on May 18, 2021 21:10:09 GMT -6
I hope Apple has a shit ton of the HD that was never released because they were MFiT....if it's the same ole' same ole....ehh....sure, I don't know what people want. They talk about UI, but how much do you interact vs LISTEN to music? Is my turntable UI great or terrible? Then I see the same old "HD digital is BS" from the Monty&Ethan faithful....because that's what this is about--forcing you to listen to shit you can't hear without your confirmation bias while charging you no more money. Fucking DEVIOUS money grab!! #logicFail
I think they're late to the party. If they bring more HD content, I'll be glad to switch as they're ALL pirates. Piracy. So, I pay the pirate with the most HD selection--why do I care about CDs? I largely own all the CDs I want--I don't need to pay anyone to listen to those....but, right now, Amazon usually doesn't charge me---something about buying some amount of records, I would guess....So, let me tell you "free and competent" win EVERY time. And Tidal has shit the bed as far as I'm concerned--with their flagging what seem to be thousands of old CDs as "master" while making them simultaneously sound WORSE than the CD. Ehh.
So, go back two-three years or whenever it was just $20 Tidal and $10 Apple and make this annoncement--I'd have been on Apple this whole time, but now what do they bring to the table vs Amazon or Quobuz?
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Post by the other mark williams on May 18, 2021 21:16:58 GMT -6
Still, I'd way rather listen to a cassette than a 96kbps mp3. Maybe even some 128kbps. Whether that's just cassette nostalgia for me or not may be debatable, of course... Plate o' shrimp: this is all coinciding with the recent turn in which several clients have sent their 320kbps approval mp3's on to mastering, and I've had to intercept with the 88K2/24..... Man, that saddens me. Is it them not hearing the difference, not caring about sonic fidelity, or both?
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Post by wiz on May 18, 2021 22:00:45 GMT -6
My distributor who is distro kid has been asking if I want my music uploaded in high-quality and wants to charge somewhere around 15 bucks to do it, which I will never get a return back.
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Post by Blackdawg on May 18, 2021 22:02:24 GMT -6
My distributor who is distro kid has been asking if I want my music uploaded in high-quality and wants to charge somewhere around 15 bucks to do it, which I will never get a return back. That sucks. Maybe look into Avid Play. Takes files up to 192. No price difference. Can do a year subscriptions per album or a one time fee per album.
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Post by johneppstein on May 19, 2021 0:48:09 GMT -6
Still, I'd way rather listen to a cassette than a 96kbps mp3. Maybe even some 128kbps. Whether that's just cassette nostalgia for me or not may be debatable, of course... Plate o' shrimp: this is all coinciding with the recent turn in which several clients have sent their 320kbps approval mp3's on to mastering, and I've had to intercept with the 88K2/24..... Shrimp aggrevates my gout. Unfortunately.
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Post by johneppstein on May 19, 2021 0:51:10 GMT -6
I hope Apple has a shit ton of the HD that was never released because they were MFiT....if it's the same ole' same ole....ehh....sure, I don't know what people want. They talk about UI, but how much do you interact vs LISTEN to music? Is my turntable UI great or terrible? Then I see the same old "HD digital is BS" from the Monty&Ethan faithful....because that's what this is about--forcing you to listen to shit you can't hear without your confirmation bias while charging you no more money. Fucking DEVIOUS money grab!! #logicFail Ethan? The insulation pimp?
Does he still have a full page on his website dissing me?
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Post by Guitar on May 19, 2021 4:23:57 GMT -6
Can of worms, shark fin soup, raw oysters. I like calling them pirates, maybe great white sharks, or even shark fishermen, whale hunters. I would add "Legal" to it, legal pirates.
I tried the MQA thing too, I wasn't convinced by it, seems like a scam almost, a money grab. Just a convoluted copy protection mechanism with no real benefit in sound quality, a dongle.
Spotify will likely be launching the "HD" button soon, it's been "spotted" out in the wild. Not sure which one to choose. They all have Ronald Shannon Jackson which is a nice surprise. Vincent R. and Peter K. are on all three of them too, pretty cool. 10 bucks for lossless just landed in my comfort zone.
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Post by EmRR on May 19, 2021 7:36:24 GMT -6
Plate o' shrimp: this is all coinciding with the recent turn in which several clients have sent their 320kbps approval mp3's on to mastering, and I've had to intercept with the 88K2/24..... Man, that saddens me. Is it them not hearing the difference, not caring about sonic fidelity, or both? They are mostly basic consumers with zero knowledge of the tech. Plate o’ shrimp - Repo Man quote everyone should use.
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Post by professorplum on May 19, 2021 13:25:50 GMT -6
I'm going to switch from Amazon to Spotify. Spotify has a much better layout, search functionality and music recommendation algorithm. I believe Spotify is set to release their own HD subscription version. I've been waiting on that to make the switch. But maybe now this has upended things for them and they will release HD for no extra charge as well. They are but their version of "HD" is just CD quality, 16/44. It's a start. But be nice to at least have 24 bit. They actually have an extensive amount of 24/96k on there, especially for new releases. I'm mainly using it out of principal due to the fact that they're the highest paying streaming service in the world to my knowledge, and the hi-res audio is mostly a plus!
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Post by popmann on May 20, 2021 17:53:38 GMT -6
So is the HD up now? I thought the announcement says June. I'm curious to see if they have more than all the others. They SHOULD since they've been harvesting MFiT files from labels for YEARS.....HD is all care about.
Tidal has shit the bed I na BIG way recently. I almost feel like Apple was just waiting for them to trip so they could flip this switch and end them.
I mean they BETTER....because AmazonHD....Qobuz....Tidal, prior to shitting the bed....I mean HD streaming isn't new....and the catalogs there are LESS than what I've bought over the years and the two basically have the same content. If so, I'll take their 3 months for the price of one they keep offering me....hear what they've got.
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Post by Mister Chase on May 20, 2021 18:17:55 GMT -6
I know not everyone has the bandwidth for such things on the end user side, but more and more people do. I live in what most people would call the middle of nowhere but it's not really. Country, though. I'm at something like 50+mb/s dl speed. So it's not even a question of that. And with storage getting cheaper all the time, what really has been the hold up? I just don't know. I'm not a big music streamer. Seems to me with so many people streaming 4k these days that some measly lossless audio would be no problem.
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Post by Blackdawg on May 20, 2021 18:38:58 GMT -6
So is the HD up now? I thought the announcement says June. I'm curious to see if they have more than all the others. They SHOULD since they've been harvesting MFiT files from labels for YEARS.....HD is all care about. Tidal has shit the bed I na BIG way recently. I almost feel like Apple was just waiting for them to trip so they could flip this switch and end them. I mean they BETTER....because AmazonHD....Qobuz....Tidal, prior to shitting the bed....I mean HD streaming isn't new....and the catalogs there are LESS than what I've bought over the years and the two basically have the same content. If so, I'll take their 3 months for the price of one they keep offering me....hear what they've got. MFit does not have anything to do with HD files though..well pending what your definition is. All that means is 24bit files. They don't care about sample rate. So a MFit(now called ADM for Apple Digital Master) certified track is just a 24 bit file that passes the encoding process to AAC with not peaks or intersample peaks.
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Post by popmann on May 21, 2021 13:28:11 GMT -6
Nothing? They take the 24bit files....and was INTENDED to be the session rate files that meet the criteria, and they make the mp4 directly from that. Apple retains the lossless 24bit. Now...I'm aware that mastering guys started sending 24/44 regardless of session rate so they could control the SRC. But, like I remember one of the only ones I bought was a 48khz ACC taken from the 24/88 master....it was the subset that was "iTunes LP" with the whole graphic liner notes and such that didn't take off, but....I had never even considered that a small mp4 would sound better than the CD of the same album I bought when I got back into town, but it does. Ever since I've made 48khz AAC from all my HDTracks purchases for my phone.
But, FWIW, every streaming site considers 24bit "HD" regardless of sample rate. I don't agree with that having done plenty of comparisons over the years....but, I don't make those definitions. Certainly they got a lot of session rate stuff during that....I was just wondering if all that is up now, and how vast it is.
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Post by Blackdawg on May 21, 2021 16:40:01 GMT -6
Nothing? They take the 24bit files....and was INTENDED to be the session rate files that meet the criteria, and they make the mp4 directly from that. Apple retains the lossless 24bit. Now...I'm aware that mastering guys started sending 24/44 regardless of session rate so they could control the SRC. But, like I remember one of the only ones I bought was a 48khz ACC taken from the 24/88 master....it was the subset that was "iTunes LP" with the whole graphic liner notes and such that didn't take off, but....I had never even considered that a small mp4 would sound better than the CD of the same album I bought when I got back into town, but it does. Ever since I've made 48khz AAC from all my HDTracks purchases for my phone. But, FWIW, every streaming site considers 24bit "HD" regardless of sample rate. I don't agree with that having done plenty of comparisons over the years....but, I don't make those definitions. Certainly they got a lot of session rate stuff during that....I was just wondering if all that is up now, and how vast it is. Im not arguing that 24 bit isn't a big improvement over anything. I'm just stating that plenty of MFiT files were probably just 24/44 or 24/48. So the backlog isn't going to be extensive would be my guess for anything above that. I'm sure there will be a lot though.
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Post by popmann on May 21, 2021 20:28:14 GMT -6
I don't think 24 bit does anything for delivery. Other than the philosophical benefit that you can just have the 1:1 transfer from mastering studio to consumer. No matter who has what gear that might show some advantage now or in the future, it's THE studio master. I've never seen one that didn't literally null to dither noise with the CD.
48khz, though is HELLA improved over CD. IMO. I can hear that with little earbuds. I've long said that had Sony waited a handful of years and made CD 16/48, I'd not have had the fire for SACD 20 years ago FOR DELIVERY....I can make a 16/48 master that, while I can ABX it-it IS lossy, the SCALE of difference is SOOOO small from the 24/192 or 24/88 masters.
For production, you'll tear HD from my cold dead heads....which is also where to 24bit matters....
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Post by brenta on May 22, 2021 7:46:39 GMT -6
I don't think 24 bit does anything for delivery. Other than the philosophical benefit that you can just have the 1:1 transfer from mastering studio to consumer. No matter who has what gear that might show some advantage now or in the future, it's THE studio master. I've never seen one that didn't literally null to dither noise with the CD. Well that is one advantage of delivering at 24 bit—you don’t have to add dither. It can be argued that the dither itself is some level of degradation. I haven’t tested it myself, but Bob Katz says compressing to mp3 from a 24 bit file sounds better than from a 16 bit file. Even lossless 24 bit streaming is likely to face Bluetooth compression from the end user when they send it to their Bluetooth speaker, car system, or AirPods, so starting with the highest quality file might help there as well. I’ve been working at 24/96 for the last several years for a few reasons, one of which was to future-proof my work knowing that eventually the streaming platforms would all be offering high res files like this. I’m glad Apple is jumping in on this, I don’t see a reason to leave Amazon HD at the moment.
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Post by popmann on May 22, 2021 12:17:04 GMT -6
I add dither from a DAW mixer. I guess I"m not adding 16bit level of dither. That's true.
But, then....I mean I'm not arguing that we shouldn't DO a 1:1 transfer. When I was a kid that was HOPE/desire....everyone HATED getting the mastered records back....and cassette? Yikes....Niether sounded like the mix I did. CD came closer. To be fair....I didn't know anyone with the kind of turntable system that can come close. I know now that exists and it can come closer than CD if you put a bunch of $ into it. But, HD digital is IT....now that it's "free" like everything else.....the chorus singing it's praises will get louder.
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Post by popmann on May 23, 2021 11:38:24 GMT -6
Where are you guys seeing any resolution designation? I signed up today for the "3 months for one" they always pop up on my phone....I don't see anything. Just looks like normal Apple Music.
....which while we're discussing streaming services, I'll tell you why I couldn't handle Apple: that they force you to cloud integrate your iTunes library just in order to like favorite something. Maybe they call it add to library....whatever--the thing where the new SaraB comes out and I can put it into my area/collection/music....it completely F'd my local iTunes library when I did that a couple years back. I'm wise enough to both back up and NOT give apple full control of my "real" music library--the iTunes library is a mp4 copy....still, had I not backed up, when I canceled the service, my local files were USELESS....which is the only non hacky way to put things locally on my iPhone.
I just went to do it and they've changed the language....you're now "sync'ing library" with "any other device using this account"....I'm fine with every device "syncing" what I add....but, I don't want them reaching out and fucking up my local files again. Anyone know if this is still how it was when they called it like "iCloud Music Sync" or something....it was trying to incorporate their old music matching service....is why it was messing with the files....like it sees I have SarAB's Kalidescope Heart in the local library, so it "adds that to my Apple Music Library"....etc....and now plays from THAT rather than local copy.
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Post by popmann on Jun 8, 2021 12:08:00 GMT -6
So, I'm going to answer myself: it WASN'T there....until today.
And let me tell you--as a huge HD proponent, I can't even play it in HD. My Macbook, which is alive simply as a full time HD Audio streamer for the stereo....can't be upgraded to Big Sur which is what's REQUIRED for HD content. My iPad and Phone I can and have updated to 14.6....so I see them...but, there's no way to play HD on an iDevice without a third party DAC like my Oppo....only...of course, the Oppo never has worked with iOS despite being a driverless class compliant USB audio device. I didn't care because it works with OSX and Windows. "why would i need HD on my phone?" #bitter
Good news is...if you want a short cut of what to listen for? The Apple Digital Masters (formerly MFiT) of Sara Bareilles sound markedly better in SD than the HD files I own. So, in HD, they should sound SO much better. Is that a global thing for all ADM? Dunno. But, the one that isn't ADM but is HD sounds exactly like the local copy on my phone. SOOO much more dynamic. So, you'll notice immediately WAY quieter....even with Soundcheck managing both...that's how you know it's not SUBTLY more dynamic. It's SO much more dynamic it changes the sound/balance all together.
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Post by seawell on Jun 8, 2021 13:31:32 GMT -6
On iPhone: Settings > Music > Audio Quality is where you can turn lossless audio on. I don’t have any atmos compatible devices that I know of so I haven’t been able to check that aspect out yet but the setting above should get you the HD music streaming.
Settings > Music > Dolby Atmos > Automatic will enable atmos anytime a compatible device is connected.
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Post by christopher on Jun 8, 2021 16:52:52 GMT -6
On iPhone: Settings > Music > Audio Quality is where you can turn lossless audio on. I don’t have any atmos compatible devices that I know of so I haven’t been able to check that aspect out yet but the setting above should get you the HD music streaming. Settings > Music > Dolby Atmos > Automatic will enable atmos anytime a compatible device is connected. Thanks! I just got it working on my iPhone, holy crap. I’ve been listening to an album almost everyday for the last 9 months, and it’s noticeably way clearer and dynamic. A few of the tracks are kinda stabby now, but in a (VERY) refreshing way.
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