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Post by svart on Apr 16, 2021 7:57:01 GMT -6
I might try polishing my HHX hats. I put them up last night and they were quieter and drier than I remember, but lacked any sparkle.
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Post by vintagetubelug on Apr 16, 2021 8:23:22 GMT -6
Drummer here- (and a disclaimer for being an Istanbul Agop artist)
I am surprised no one has mentioned Agop cymbals. They are very warm and well suited to recording. I love the traditional series, and the dark/thin crashes (18" are incredible), 14" medium hats and 22" medium ride. These are cymbals that rival the best of the 1960's Zildjian A sound that we love on so many classic recordings. They're hand hammered and made in Turkey using old world techniques. I am sure I have some recordings I could share if you wanted to hear some examples.
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Apr 16, 2021 8:48:53 GMT -6
Post by svart on Apr 16, 2021 8:48:53 GMT -6
Drummer here- (and a disclaimer for being an Istanbul Agop artist) I am surprised no one has mentioned Agop cymbals. They are very warm and well suited to recording. I love the traditional series, and the dark/thin crashes (18" are incredible), 14" medium hats and 22" medium ride. These are cymbals that rival the best of the 1960's Zildjian A sound that we love on so many classic recordings. They're hand hammered and made in Turkey using old world techniques. I am sure I have some recordings I could share if you wanted to hear some examples. I've typically regarded Agop as $$$$$ and avoided looking.. I've also personally felt that "Turkish" style cymbals have historically been too dry in tone for my desires. However the Xist line looks cool for the money. The clips online are still all over the place with one sounding way too thin, one way too bright and another way too dark, etc, to get a good feel for them but they seem to have a good balance of shimmer and body without a lot of that splashy-ness that you get from cast cymbals. I might grab a used one to try it out.
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Apr 16, 2021 9:24:39 GMT -6
Post by drumsound on Apr 16, 2021 9:24:39 GMT -6
Why not? I don't know anything about mastersounds. The cymbal has ripples. I feel like putting that on top is going to wind up in having a cracked cymbal. Yeah, those ripples could be a weak/stress point.
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Post by drumsound on Apr 16, 2021 9:26:28 GMT -6
Drummer here- (and a disclaimer for being an Istanbul Agop artist) I am surprised no one has mentioned Agop cymbals. They are very warm and well suited to recording. I love the traditional series, and the dark/thin crashes (18" are incredible), 14" medium hats and 22" medium ride. These are cymbals that rival the best of the 1960's Zildjian A sound that we love on so many classic recordings. They're hand hammered and made in Turkey using old world techniques. I am sure I have some recordings I could share if you wanted to hear some examples. I did mention broadly all the different cymbals being made in Istanbul these days. I'm a fan.
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Apr 16, 2021 10:48:46 GMT -6
Post by ab101 on Apr 16, 2021 10:48:46 GMT -6
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Apr 16, 2021 13:16:33 GMT -6
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Post by guitfiddler on Apr 16, 2021 13:16:33 GMT -6
The K Custom Hybrids crashes reminded me of Paiste Signatures when I demoed them. Actually couldn’t believe how similar they were. I liked them, but was disappointed because they were so similar. Does anyone else hear that as well, if you had a chance to compare.
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Post by junior on Apr 16, 2021 16:48:45 GMT -6
Drummer here- (and a disclaimer for being an Istanbul Agop artist) I am surprised no one has mentioned Agop cymbals. They are very warm and well suited to recording. I love the traditional series, and the dark/thin crashes (18" are incredible), 14" medium hats and 22" medium ride. These are cymbals that rival the best of the 1960's Zildjian A sound that we love on so many classic recordings. They're hand hammered and made in Turkey using old world techniques. I am sure I have some recordings I could share if you wanted to hear some examples. Actually, I did mention the Mel Lewis line earlier in the thread. Just sayin'...
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Apr 16, 2021 17:52:09 GMT -6
Post by jampa on Apr 16, 2021 17:52:09 GMT -6
I am surprised no one has mentioned Agop cymbals Yeah nah we have eh My next cymbals will be a 30th anniversary set The K Custom Hybrids crashes reminded me of Paiste Signatures when I demoed them. Actually couldn’t believe how similar they were. I liked them, but was disappointed because they were so similar. Does anyone else hear that as well, if you had a chance to compare. Makes sense to me, have had both @op - have you tried 80's K Zildjians? Buttery and dark I encourage you to demo cymbals in store, and bring your favourite sticks with you. Most stores should allow you to order something in to demo in store, without having to commit to buying it - and don't let them pressure you into buying it
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Post by mulmany on Apr 16, 2021 21:23:07 GMT -6
Does anyone have any experience with the Zildjian K sweet cymbals? What’s your opinion? Bought the 15" hats and 21" ride for a client... They sound great. I think they are a nice balance for both live and studio. Mic well and never get annoying.
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Post by sirthought on Apr 16, 2021 22:11:27 GMT -6
I was interested in a set of Paste, either the 2002 Big Beats or Giant Beats. I too was thinking those were the thin-to-medium-thin variety that would have a bit more control and recording volume.
Anyone with much experience tracking these?
I now have a total hodge podge of brands, many just hand-me-downs from friends. I usually expect drummers to bring their own, but having a good matched set is something to consider.
I have a Sabian hand hammered ride that I think is perfect for jazz and things requiring a good amount of sustain, but not over the top.
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Post by junior on Apr 17, 2021 0:20:59 GMT -6
I love the sound of Giant Beats and Big Beats. The only nitpicky thing I have against the Big Beats are that I found them a little stiff feeling under the stick compared to other models. Could just be me splitting hairs, though.
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Post by thirdeye on Apr 17, 2021 9:06:57 GMT -6
I'm excited, I ended up getting a set of Zildjian K custom darks from Memphis Drum Shop. I really liked the videos and the "my cymbal", buying the actual cymbal in the video.
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Apr 17, 2021 10:02:25 GMT -6
Post by drumsound on Apr 17, 2021 10:02:25 GMT -6
The K Custom Hybrids crashes reminded me of Paiste Signatures when I demoed them. Actually couldn’t believe how similar they were. I liked them, but was disappointed because they were so similar. Does anyone else hear that as well, if you had a chance to compare. Makes sense to me, have had both @op - have you tried 80's K Zildjians? Buttery and dark I encourage you to demo cymbals in store, and bring your favourite sticks with you. Most stores should allow you to order something in to demo in store, without having to commit to buying it - and don't let them pressure you into buying it Not only your sticks, but it even makes sense to bring your cymbals. Sometimes a cymbals sounds great, but doesn't blend with the cymbals you already have. If you can get to know the people at your local shop, you might even be able to take a cymbal or two home "on approval" (that's what the shop I worked at called it) to see how they sound in your setup. I also HIGHLY encourage you to take any cymbal you're interested in off of the cymbal wall. Those things, while great for the look of the store, make almost any cymbal sound like complete shit! Between the wall being right there, and all of the other cymbals around it, its an acustical nightmare. I have an 80s K ride that came in at the afore mentioned shop when I was working there, and its the ride I play most often, though I have 5 (I think) rides. They are special.
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Post by guitfiddler on Apr 17, 2021 20:56:24 GMT -6
I played quite a few cymbals the last two days and I came home with a drum set!!!! It was about $2250 off...killer deal...Lol
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Apr 17, 2021 20:58:45 GMT -6
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Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 17, 2021 20:58:45 GMT -6
I played quite a few cymbals the last two days and came home with a drum set!!!! Lol What ya get?
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Post by guitfiddler on Apr 17, 2021 21:05:54 GMT -6
I played quite a few cymbals the last two days and came home with a drum set!!!! Lol What ya get? I can’t ever post pics anymore for some reason, (file too big error). Pearl Masters Music City Reserve Custom, Red cracked glass color shells, never had a red kit before, I think I’m on the rag! All maple with sound reinforcement rings. It just sounds beautiful, like a DW kit. Nice big and full with a nice resonance. I’m done buying kits, lol. Last one for the rest of my life I swear. I guess the Covid has had a bad effect on me especially now since my guitar player has it. He’s doing better now, he cut the grass the other day, so we will be jamming again soon once he gives us the ok.
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Post by svart on Apr 18, 2021 7:23:55 GMT -6
I played quite a few cymbals the last two days and I came home with a drum set!!!! It was about $2250 off...killer deal...Lol I did something similar a few years ago. Walked into GC for something cheap and walked out with a drum set. They had a tama bubinga shell set with rare pearl white/black hardware color scheme marked down from 2200 to 900. I just had to. Ended up being a great decision.
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Apr 18, 2021 9:27:07 GMT -6
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Post by superwack on Apr 18, 2021 9:27:07 GMT -6
All of my cymbals are Paiste and Zildjian but I’ve been thinking about trying a UFIP ride and crash for recording after talking with the rep at NAMM a few years ago. I liked the idea that the rotocasting (apparently) creates overtones that decay evenly and don’t build up but I still haven’t pulled the trigger - anyone here have any experience with any UFIP stuff especially in the studio? Thanks
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Post by drumsound on Apr 18, 2021 11:04:46 GMT -6
All of my cymbals are Paiste and Zildjian but I’ve been thinking about trying a UFIP ride and crash for recording after talking with the rep at NAMM a few years ago. I liked the idea that the rotocasting (apparently) creates overtones that decay evenly and don’t build up but I still haven’t pulled the trigger - anyone here have any experience with any UFIP stuff especially in the studio? Thanks The UFIP cymbals I've played have all been nice. I do recall the decay of the crashes being really great.
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Apr 19, 2021 12:18:23 GMT -6
Post by svart on Apr 19, 2021 12:18:23 GMT -6
Polished up my HHX stage hats a bit over the weekend. Definitely improved the perceived shimmer.
So how about a nice ride in the vein of K or HHX? I looked at a couple used ones at the local Music Go Round over the weekend but wasn't in love with any of the tones.
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Post by drumsound on Apr 19, 2021 12:38:45 GMT -6
Polished up my HHX stage hats a bit over the weekend. Definitely improved the perceived shimmer. So how about a nice ride in the vein of K or HHX? I looked at a couple used ones at the local Music Go Round over the weekend but wasn't in love with any of the tones. Look into the various Istanbul companies, Mahmet and Agop, as well as Bosphorus and Anatolian.
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Apr 19, 2021 20:11:53 GMT -6
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Post by guitfiddler on Apr 19, 2021 20:11:53 GMT -6
Narrowing the choices...Zildjian K hats, Sabian Freq hats, Zildjian Sweet 15” hats I’m getting closer, but these three hats wowed me, however they are very different. I still have yet to try more rides, but I’m leaning towards the K sweet rides. My crashes are almost definitely going to be K Custom dark, demoing the different sizes, 17”/18”/19” more than likely
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Post by drumsound on Apr 19, 2021 21:39:28 GMT -6
Narrowing the choices...Zildjian K hats, Sabian Freq hats, Zildjian Sweet 15” hats I’m getting closer, but these three hats wowed me, however they are very different. I still have yet to try more rides, but I’m leaning towards the K sweet rides. My crashes are almost definitely going to be K Custom dark, demoing the different sizes, 17”/18”/19” more than likely 15" hats will change your life...
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Apr 22, 2021 9:57:10 GMT -6
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Post by Ward on Apr 22, 2021 9:57:10 GMT -6
I might try polishing my HHX hats. I put them up last night and they were quieter and drier than I remember, but lacked any sparkle. For very good reasons, mastering engineers aren't particularly fond of overly present, bright, sparkly or even loud cymbals and hats due to how all that high end information gets smeared in the brickwall processing. Over and over again from mastering engineers I work with, I get the 'whoa the top end on that!' 'cymbals seem loud and bright. Sounds great in the mix but when I try and master it, it's way out of balance'. I know that experiences and opinions vary.
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