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Post by stormymondays on Apr 8, 2021 7:37:10 GMT -6
I wanted to share a great studio experience I just had. I was having trouble nailing the pitch of some vocal harmonies while using headphones. You know, it happens to everybody once in a while...  Since we are recording a ribbon-only, mono EP (cool project, not my own), I turned off one monitor, pointed the null of my Royer R101 to the active monitor, got a comfortable sound level and sang with no headphones. Bleed was absolutely minimal, only noticeable between phrases. And my pitch was spot-on! I have a single room studio. I've grown to become more comfortable with bleed, if it means a better performance. As soon as I see that a performer's headphones are getting in the way, I will try a recording without cans. It's amazing what you can get away with, and not just with guitar amps. I've even recorded mandolin with bleed and no cans, sounding great (KM84). |
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Post by drumsound on Apr 8, 2021 10:20:36 GMT -6
That's a great solution!
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Post by gwlee7 on Apr 8, 2021 10:29:51 GMT -6
I will have to try this. I have several ribbons with my nicest being a Shure KSM313 that has a "dark side" (lol) and a brighter side. It may help me with some demo and scratch vocals that I end up having to sing some times not being so "pitchy".
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Post by Blackdawg on Apr 8, 2021 10:29:59 GMT -6
In the words of the great Al Schmitt: "I don't mind bleed because I use good microphones. So the bleed sounds good. Good sounding bleed sounds good"
Paraphrasing there a bit..
But yeah! Cool stuff man!
I loved reading how they record Tony Bennett too, he refuses to use cans always. Does everything with a pair of studio monitors on the floor live with the rhythm section in the same room.
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Post by Tbone81 on Apr 8, 2021 10:59:53 GMT -6
I will have to try this. I have several ribbons with my nicest being a Shure KSM313 that has a "dark side" (lol) and a brighter side. It may help me with some demo and scratch vocals that I end up having to sing some times not being so "pitchy". Stop me if you already know this but you do this with any mic that has a figure 8 pattern  I know you have some nice Gefell mics, if I remember correctly. You should try them in figure 8 if you haven’t already. |
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Post by stormymondays on Apr 8, 2021 12:02:07 GMT -6
The thing about ribbon mics is that the nulls are really, really deep, much deeper than a multi-pattern mic. I need to try this with the U67 though!
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Post by keymod on Apr 8, 2021 12:40:27 GMT -6
IIRC, something similar can be done by reversing phase on the monitors??
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Post by gouge on Apr 8, 2021 15:53:21 GMT -6
Great thread for me as i have a session im slowly working towards where the artist has specifically asked for no cans.
We are putting prerecorded drums through a wedge with both guitarists playing live. Gonna capture guitars and vocals in the room live.
We have a time constraint so i was going to try an sm7 and then a ribbon at 90deg.
Gobos will be used.
Curious about third option of reverse phase on the monitor. What effect would that have on a live vocal
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Post by chessparov on Apr 8, 2021 18:01:36 GMT -6
I prefer normal phases...
Chris
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Post by subspace on Apr 9, 2021 6:10:06 GMT -6
Great thread for me as i have a session im slowly working towards where the artist has specifically asked for no cans. We are putting prerecorded drums through a wedge with both guitarists playing live. Gonna capture guitars and vocals in the room live. We have a time constraint so i was going to try an sm7 and then a ribbon at 90deg. Gobos will be used. Curious about third option of reverse phase on the monitor. What effect would that have on a live vocal Reverse polarity on one of the monitors and put them equidistant on both sides in the nulls. Sounds a bit swimmy to the performer, cancels out in mic. |
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Post by stormymondays on Apr 9, 2021 6:35:05 GMT -6
That would be tough for me! Out of phase speakers make me feel like my brain is being sucked out of one ear! |
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Post by drumsound on Apr 9, 2021 7:56:19 GMT -6
That would be tough for me! Out of phase speakers make me feel like my brain is being sucked out of one ear! That's a great way to describe it. I feel like it would probably disorient the singer to the point of canceling out the good of not using headphones. |
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Post by Mister Chase on Apr 9, 2021 11:51:02 GMT -6
There isn't much headphones or speakers will do for my pitch.
The nulls on ribbons are killer. So deep!
Wonder how the u67 will handle it. I'm just upset that I don't have one :-)
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Post by EmRR on Apr 9, 2021 14:38:16 GMT -6
I am seriously thinking about converting my mk47 to an mk48......
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Post by damoongo on Apr 9, 2021 16:22:49 GMT -6
Best way is for no headphones vocal tracking through monitors is:
Get your monitoring levels set comfortably (Can't change them later)
Then have the singer just stand at the mic and not sing while playing the track. Record this "bleed" track onto a separate track and mute it until later.
Then go ahead and record vocals (onto their own track).
After you are done tracking, un mute and flip the phase on the previously recorded "bleed" track and it nulls the music out from the vocal track.
Record the output of these two tracks onto a fresh track to have a "no bleed" vocal track to work with.
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