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Post by Blackdawg on Apr 12, 2021 0:59:47 GMT -6
Has anyone try the josephson 617 set I have a buddy who was the engineer at PBS in arizona I believe, and he dug the Josephsons a lot. Very accurate. Alex? haha
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Post by Mister Chase on Apr 12, 2021 16:53:40 GMT -6
I've heard, from better engineers than myself, that they are very, very sensitive to placement and can be very unflattering in their honesty, however place you find the right spot they are amazing. eh i'd say that that is a true statement for every microphone haha IMO you'd be hard pressed to get anything unusable from a DPA. Unless you're just trying to not doing something good I guess. They are quite lovely. Honestly the other one the OP should look at though are Schoeps MK4 mics. I think that if you think that is true of EVERY microphone, then you just use wayyyyyyyyyyyy better microphones than me :-) because there are plenty that won't sound amazing in any placement haha.
I simply meant an order of magnitude greater that most mics, of course, I have zero experience personally. Just quoting someone else.
I wish I could spring for some DPA's. And Josephsons... and vintage Neumanns...Schoeps... sigh
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Post by Mister Chase on Apr 12, 2021 16:54:22 GMT -6
I have a buddy who was the engineer at PBS in arizona I believe, and he dug the Josephsons a lot. Very accurate. Alex? haha Was mistaken - 'Tis David, who was assistant engineer there. Now the engineer for the USN Commodores.
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Post by Blackdawg on Apr 12, 2021 17:06:50 GMT -6
eh i'd say that that is a true statement for every microphone haha IMO you'd be hard pressed to get anything unusable from a DPA. Unless you're just trying to not doing something good I guess. They are quite lovely. Honestly the other one the OP should look at though are Schoeps MK4 mics. I think that if you think that is true of EVERY microphone, then you just use wayyyyyyyyyyyy better microphones than me :-) because there are plenty that won't sound amazing in any placement haha.
I simply meant an order of magnitude greater that most mics, of course, I have zero experience personally. Just quoting someone else.
I wish I could spring for some DPA's. And Josephsons... and vintage Neumanns...Schoeps... sigh
I am spoiled and have a great mic collection at work to use which is mainly DPAs and Schoeps. But still haha They are great. I wouldn't hesitate to have them for acoustic guitar. I have a nice recording I want to remaster of a guy just singing with a u87 and some 4011s i did a long long time ago. His guitar was pretty boxy sounding in general but it works really well with what he is singing. I'll share it when I get around to it. Was mistaken - 'Tis David, who was assistant engineer there. Now the engineer for the USN Commodores. Ah. Well he probably worked for Alex though. Cool.
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Post by Mister Chase on Apr 12, 2021 17:21:03 GMT -6
I think that if you think that is true of EVERY microphone, then you just use wayyyyyyyyyyyy better microphones than me :-) because there are plenty that won't sound amazing in any placement haha.
I simply meant an order of magnitude greater that most mics, of course, I have zero experience personally. Just quoting someone else.
I wish I could spring for some DPA's. And Josephsons... and vintage Neumanns...Schoeps... sigh
I am spoiled and have a great mic collection at work to use which is mainly DPAs and Schoeps. But still haha They are great. I wouldn't hesitate to have them for acoustic guitar. I have a nice recording I want to remaster of a guy just singing with a u87 and some 4011s i did a long long time ago. His guitar was pretty boxy sounding in general but it works really well with what he is singing. I'll share it when I get around to it. Was mistaken - 'Tis David, who was assistant engineer there. Now the engineer for the USN Commodores. Ah. Well he probably worked for Alex though. Cool. Would love to hear that recording
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Post by sparkey on Apr 12, 2021 19:05:30 GMT -6
Yes please share Does it warrant having DPA if you have schoeps?
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Post by Blackdawg on Apr 12, 2021 20:06:05 GMT -6
Yes please share Does it warrant having DPA if you have schoeps? I will try to work on it this coming month and get it posted. And yes I think so. They are actually pretty different. The transient response alone on the DPAs is WAY higher as is sensitivity. For instance, when i swap from my DPAs to Schoeps i end up always having to add 3-4dB to the mic pre to have the same levels. The low end is also very different. Scheops are a bit "warmer" when compared to a DPA usually. But the details in the DPAs and huge low end is pretty awesome.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Apr 13, 2021 7:02:42 GMT -6
Just realized the thread title isn't clear. The 0-13 IS an SDC.
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Post by plinker on Apr 13, 2021 8:32:36 GMT -6
I haven't. Have tried e22s though and they are quite nice. I wish there was more talk about this mic. I've been looking for a versatile SDC and the e22s keeps popping up.
It's hard to find examples of it on acoustic instruments. I found an example of it on vox and was quite surprised. It really does seem to have the bottom/balls of an LDC with the speed of an SDC.
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Post by Blackdawg on Apr 13, 2021 8:57:13 GMT -6
I haven't. Have tried e22s though and they are quite nice. I wish there was more talk about this mic. I've been looking for a versatile SDC and the e22s keeps popping up.
It's hard to find examples of it on acoustic instruments. I found an example of it on vox and was quite surprised. It really does seem to have the bottom/balls of an LDC with the speed of an SDC.
It's pretty great on snare too.
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Post by Mister Chase on Apr 13, 2021 9:08:46 GMT -6
I wish there was more talk about this mic. I've been looking for a versatile SDC and the e22s keeps popping up.
It's hard to find examples of it on acoustic instruments. I found an example of it on vox and was quite surprised. It really does seem to have the bottom/balls of an LDC with the speed of an SDC.
It's pretty great on snare too. Yes. Killer on snare. My favorite there.
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Post by plinker on Apr 13, 2021 11:08:35 GMT -6
Any Other applications where it excels?
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Post by Blackdawg on Apr 13, 2021 13:26:35 GMT -6
Think i've used it on acoustic guitar before with good success. Been a while though.
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Post by Mister Chase on Apr 13, 2021 13:29:13 GMT -6
Any Other applications where it excels? I've heard it on acoustic and thought it was good. Good on toms. I think Albini uses it on beater side of the kick maybe. Actually quite good on electric guitar cab.
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Post by plinker on Apr 13, 2021 14:18:27 GMT -6
Any Other applications where it excels? I've heard it on acoustic and thought it was good. Good on toms. I think Albini uses it on beater side of the kick maybe. Actually quite good on electric guitar cab. Thanks. I heard a comparison of different mics on elec gitar, and the e22s slayed them all! Waaaay more information coming from this mic than the rest -- and good information, at that!
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Post by Mister Chase on Apr 13, 2021 14:19:48 GMT -6
I've heard it on acoustic and thought it was good. Good on toms. I think Albini uses it on beater side of the kick maybe. Actually quite good on electric guitar cab. Thanks. I heard a comparison of different mics on elec gitar, and the e22s slayed them all! Waaaay more information coming from this mic than the rest -- and good information, at that! That's a good distinction because many times more information on a cab is not good!
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Post by plinker on Apr 13, 2021 15:48:55 GMT -6
Thanks. I heard a comparison of different mics on elec gitar, and the e22s slayed them all! Waaaay more information coming from this mic than the rest -- and good information, at that! That's a good distinction because many times more information on a cab is not good! Haha! Yeah! Tell me about it. 😜 I’ve never really been a fan of condensors on guitar amps until I heard the e22s.
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Post by Blackdawg on Apr 13, 2021 17:03:05 GMT -6
I always got good results using an ATA4050 and C414 combo setup. least for some good jazz guitar stuff.
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Post by sparkey on May 17, 2022 14:48:15 GMT -6
heard the sdc 013 tube soyuz tube, they do sit well in a mix. and don't need much processing
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Post by Johnkenn on May 17, 2022 16:55:34 GMT -6
Thought I had responded in this...I really love the 013...sold my 84 for it. I apparently like all Soyuz mics...
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Post by Chad on May 18, 2022 8:48:20 GMT -6
@johnkenn – that's great to know!
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Post by Mister Chase on May 18, 2022 9:58:50 GMT -6
Thought I had responded in this...I really love the 013...sold my 84 for it. I apparently like all Soyuz mics... High praise! Need to eventually get a tube pair as well. I love Soyuz mics. My Bomblet kills on upright bass, vocals, ukulele, guitar etc.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 18, 2022 11:30:49 GMT -6
Yeah - the 84 sounds amazing, not doubt. 013 is a little beefier on bottom than the 84 I had. Maybe a little more rolled on top?
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Post by Mister Chase on May 18, 2022 12:15:28 GMT -6
Yeah - the 84 sounds amazing, not doubt. 013 is a little beefier on bottom than the 84 I had. Maybe a little more rolled on top? There's a sort of opulence I hear with Soyuz mics where the 84 clips I hear seem stunningly accurate. If I had all the money, I'd have them all, of course... The 013 FETs killed it for me on overs for a jazz album last year among other things. No regrets.
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Post by ericn on May 21, 2022 14:59:20 GMT -6
The answer is simple but expensive; it depends on the track, player room and guitar so you need both. Sorry but I still think like a gearpimp who at one point gave Ward’s mic locker a run for the money. Hell I once showed up for gig and was called the “John McBride of Dynamics “.
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