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Post by sparkey on Apr 7, 2021 14:45:32 GMT -6
Has anyone tried the soyuz 013 SDC tube mics for acoustic guitar? was looking at a purchase or the DPA 4011A's. I do have a pair of Schoeps MK4's, Just would like a different flavor but in the same class.
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Post by Mister Chase on Apr 7, 2021 14:52:20 GMT -6
Haven't tried the tubes myself, but really enjoy my 013 FET's on everything so far.
DPA's are pretty intense business. The Soyuz is more of a sweet/toneful option. Seem quite different ends of the spectrum to me.
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Post by bricejchandler on Apr 7, 2021 15:13:51 GMT -6
Yeah I agree, the Soyuz are very colored, the DPAs are clinical so it really depends what you're looking for.
The DPAs are brighter than the Schoeps, the transients are clearer, they don't have that slight veil that the Schoeps have but can be a bit hard I find.
I would probably go for the tube Soyuz as something a little more exciting compared to the Schoeps.
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Post by the other mark williams on Apr 7, 2021 16:33:35 GMT -6
Has anyone tried the soyuz 013 SDC tube mics for acoustic guitar? was looking at a purchase or the DPA 4011A's. I do have a pair of Schoeps MK4's, Just would like a different flavor but in the same class. Haven't tried the tubes myself, but really enjoy my 013 FET's on everything so far. DPA's are pretty intense business. The Soyuz is more of a sweet/toneful option. Seem quite different ends of the spectrum to me. I would agree with this sentiment. Soyuz is basically opposite of DPA. Both valid, both useful in the right context.
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Post by woofhead on Apr 8, 2021 14:19:05 GMT -6
Ive found the audio technica at 4047 to be good on a folk or blues style acoustic.Still very clear but slightly gritty but dependent on the instrument,room, player etc. Want to try it again-dont record acoustic gt very often.Perhpas a combo of a clearer mic and a less clear maybe ribbon could be great.I find that works on acoustic bass very well which I record more often
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Post by woofhead on Apr 8, 2021 14:19:40 GMT -6
Senior member yay!
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Post by bgrotto on Apr 10, 2021 15:01:13 GMT -6
I've got a pair of DPA 4011s, and they can be a bit 'hard' sounding. They're super accurate, and the off-axis response is pretty exceptional in its linearity, but they do indeed have that aforementioned 'clinical' vibe. If you're keen on KM84s, I found that the Miktek C5 SDCs compare very favorably to them (in an A/B test I did years ago, they were virtually indistinguishable). They're plenty bright and detailed, but softer sounding than the DPAs by a lot. I quite like them.
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Post by tasteliketape on Apr 10, 2021 16:03:23 GMT -6
Shameless plug I have a pair of miktek c5 I could be talked into selling lol. They have only one set of capsule , aluminum case and all other atttacments
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Post by woofhead on Apr 10, 2021 17:17:45 GMT -6
speaking of dpa, something I like on acoustic bass is using a dpa 4060 clipped on the strings below the bridge with a ribbon out front.This works well with the drums and other instruments all in the same room and I try to take full advantage of getting the drums positioned in the null of the ribbon.The bleed into the 4060 is very clean and becomes the "room" sound.Often the drummmer will need bass in headphones but depending on the material that can be it for headphone monitoring-The other musicians dont always require them.
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Post by Blackdawg on Apr 10, 2021 17:29:46 GMT -6
4011s are great. Sure maybe clinical, but honest is what Id call it and you can do whatever you want with them afterwords.
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Post by woofhead on Apr 10, 2021 17:40:43 GMT -6
4011s are great. Sure maybe clinical, but honest is what Id call it and you can do whatever you want with them afterwords. Ive never had the pleasure but hope to one day
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Post by Blackdawg on Apr 10, 2021 21:19:32 GMT -6
I love them. And the 4006a too. Great microphones.
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Post by Mister Chase on Apr 10, 2021 21:27:41 GMT -6
4011s are great. Sure maybe clinical, but honest is what Id call it and you can do whatever you want with them afterwords. I've heard, from better engineers than myself, that they are very, very sensitive to placement and can be very unflattering in their honesty, however place you find the right spot they are amazing.
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Post by Mister Chase on Apr 10, 2021 21:31:32 GMT -6
I've got a pair of DPA 4011s, and they can be a bit 'hard' sounding. They're super accurate, and the off-axis response is pretty exceptional in its linearity, but they do indeed have that aforementioned 'clinical' vibe. If you're keen on KM84s, I found that the Miktek C5 SDCs compare very favorably to them (in an A/B test I did years ago, they were virtually indistinguishable). They're plenty bright and detailed, but softer sounding than the DPAs by a lot. I quite like them. That's very interesting about the c5. I have one here I got for a song. It's really that km84-like?
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Post by bgrotto on Apr 10, 2021 22:06:05 GMT -6
I've got a pair of DPA 4011s, and they can be a bit 'hard' sounding. They're super accurate, and the off-axis response is pretty exceptional in its linearity, but they do indeed have that aforementioned 'clinical' vibe. If you're keen on KM84s, I found that the Miktek C5 SDCs compare very favorably to them (in an A/B test I did years ago, they were virtually indistinguishable). They're plenty bright and detailed, but softer sounding than the DPAs by a lot. I quite like them. That's very interesting about the c5. I have one here I got for a song. It's really that km84-like? Yeah, at least, that was my take on it when I checked out the shootout. Admittedly that was ages ago, but I've since owned the C5s for a buncha years and I use them quite a lot, particularly for drum recordings. I use them here and there for acoustic instruments, though TBH i tend to prefer LDCs in that capacity 4 outta 5 times, so I'm a little less versed in their use there. Also, we have a KM54 and a KM56 at my studio, which are basically unbeatable when you want an SDC on a guitar or mando or whatever, so there's that too...hahaha. Anywho, give the C5 a shot! It's a mic that IMO punches far above its weight and really does sound great.
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Post by Mister Chase on Apr 10, 2021 23:10:07 GMT -6
That's very interesting about the c5. I have one here I got for a song. It's really that km84-like? Yeah, at least, that was my take on it when I checked out the shootout. Admittedly that was ages ago, but I've since owned the C5s for a buncha years and I use them quite a lot, particularly for drum recordings. I use them here and there for acoustic instruments, though TBH i tend to prefer LDCs in that capacity 4 outta 5 times, so I'm a little less versed in their use there. Also, we have a KM54 and a KM56 at my studio, which are basically unbeatable when you want an SDC on a guitar or mando or whatever, so there's that too...hahaha. Anywho, give the C5 a shot! It's a mic that IMO punches far above its weight and really does sound great. That is very interesting. Oh my lordy, the KM54 and 56 are so good. I can see that!
Actually have had a C5 for about 3 years that I have used on and off. I've always wanted to turn it into a pair, but prices have gone up recently on the used market it seems. I also need a pad for it behind the capsule. It just distorts too much for me on drums and loud sources. Dunno if they make one. Once I got my Soyuz 013's I pretty much quit reaching for the c5...
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Post by bgrotto on Apr 10, 2021 23:45:23 GMT -6
Yeah, at least, that was my take on it when I checked out the shootout. Admittedly that was ages ago, but I've since owned the C5s for a buncha years and I use them quite a lot, particularly for drum recordings. I use them here and there for acoustic instruments, though TBH i tend to prefer LDCs in that capacity 4 outta 5 times, so I'm a little less versed in their use there. Also, we have a KM54 and a KM56 at my studio, which are basically unbeatable when you want an SDC on a guitar or mando or whatever, so there's that too...hahaha. Anywho, give the C5 a shot! It's a mic that IMO punches far above its weight and really does sound great. That is very interesting. Oh my lordy, the KM54 and 56 are so good. I can see that!
Actually have had a C5 for about 3 years that I have used on and off. I've always wanted to turn it into a pair, but prices have gone up recently on the used market it seems. I also need a pad for it behind the capsule. It just distorts too much for me on drums and loud sources. Dunno if they make one. Once I got my Soyuz 013's I pretty much quit reaching for the c5...
Ack, welp, maybe *I* need to check out the 013s...i just read a very favorable tapeop review that resonated with me, and now this. Ha, welp, RIP, my wallet. I don't know if a pad for the C5 exists, but oddly, mine seem to handle high SPL pretty gracefully. I wouldn't throw them on a snare top, but they do great on OHs and even for spot-mic'ing cymbals.
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Post by Mister Chase on Apr 11, 2021 0:16:04 GMT -6
That is very interesting. Oh my lordy, the KM54 and 56 are so good. I can see that!
Actually have had a C5 for about 3 years that I have used on and off. I've always wanted to turn it into a pair, but prices have gone up recently on the used market it seems. I also need a pad for it behind the capsule. It just distorts too much for me on drums and loud sources. Dunno if they make one. Once I got my Soyuz 013's I pretty much quit reaching for the c5...
Ack, welp, maybe *I* need to check out the 013s...i just read a very favorable tapeop review that resonated with me, and now this. Ha, welp, RIP, my wallet. I don't know if a pad for the C5 exists, but oddly, mine seem to handle high SPL pretty gracefully. I wouldn't throw them on a snare top, but they do great on OHs and even for spot-mic'ing cymbals. I'm usually not that opinionated about mics as I've used a lot and enjoy all of them for their merits, sm57 up to Neumann's etc. I dunno, I'll try to work with the C5 some more. The Soyuz just seem to me to be a level higher in sound quality, just my opinion. They also have a good bit of sweet vibe to them. Maybe I'm just not a big SDC fan as the Soyuz are actually not .5" diameter capsules, they are larger. Could be the c5 is killer. I have a pair of m900's from Charter Oak as well. They are pretty good. Don't take my word for it, though(LaVar Burton, anyone?)
That is interesting. Being the unsavory jazzer that I am, I wanted to use it on snare top(and even for rock taped to a 57) and it sounded pretty obviously distorted. Could get my friends at the machine shop to thread me a tube and I could pot an attenuator in there for myself I guess ha ha.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Apr 11, 2021 15:59:44 GMT -6
I've used both Soyuz SDC's the tube and the FET. For me, I liked the FET. I have their 0-19, and it's great, but I did prefer the 0-17 with the tube, but it was beyond my budget.
Try this, maybe it will help:
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Post by Martin John Butler on Apr 11, 2021 16:01:36 GMT -6
* Soyuz changed model numbers. The FET was 0-19 and 0-13, the tubes were 0-17 and 0-11. Now I think they're simply 0-17 and 0-13 but with the option to get the FET or tube versions.
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Post by Blackdawg on Apr 11, 2021 17:51:00 GMT -6
4011s are great. Sure maybe clinical, but honest is what Id call it and you can do whatever you want with them afterwords. I've heard, from better engineers than myself, that they are very, very sensitive to placement and can be very unflattering in their honesty, however place you find the right spot they are amazing. eh i'd say that that is a true statement for every microphone haha IMO you'd be hard pressed to get anything unusable from a DPA. Unless you're just trying to not doing something good I guess. They are quite lovely. Honestly the other one the OP should look at though are Schoeps MK4 mics.
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Post by sparkey on Apr 11, 2021 18:36:24 GMT -6
Has anyone try the josephson 617 set
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Post by Blackdawg on Apr 11, 2021 19:55:34 GMT -6
I haven't. Have tried e22s though and they are quite nice.
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Post by Mister Chase on Apr 11, 2021 20:02:26 GMT -6
Has anyone try the josephson 617 set I have a buddy who was the engineer at PBS in arizona I believe, and he dug the Josephsons a lot. Very accurate.
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Post by Mister Chase on Apr 11, 2021 20:03:09 GMT -6
The e22s is my favorite snare mic. It just punches so effortlessly. I bet its great on many things.
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