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Post by RealNoob on Apr 5, 2021 20:08:53 GMT -6
The neumanns play easy loud enough for the situation the O. P. wants to address Cheers, Ross They probably do, until you put them next to something with a real amp next to them. That’s when you see the limit and hear the strain. Lucky for Neumann not that many have real power at hand. The K+ H guys always looked at the old 110 as a small auxiliary speakers not as something that would be somebody’s mains. Interesting
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Post by Martin John Butler on Apr 6, 2021 14:52:31 GMT -6
I was helping a friend choose from a bunch of different brand small speakers, so we went to B&H and listened to a half dozen of the usual lower priced suspects and the little Genelec 8010's crushed them all. The mixes done on them have translated well.
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Post by sean on Apr 6, 2021 18:12:58 GMT -6
I think I can go a little bigger than the 8010, maybe I’ll try the 8020 and 8030 and see how the feel in the room
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Post by Martin John Butler on Apr 6, 2021 20:46:53 GMT -6
Even better Sean.
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Post by pouletdegrains on Apr 7, 2021 19:47:22 GMT -6
I have used a pair of Genelec 8020A for a few years in a small room. I liked these monitors as for some reasons, my favorite records sounded great on it, and not just good. So in a way I was always pushed to work harder. I also agree that the waveguide seems to help in untreated rooms (I had the opportunity to experience its sounds in treated and untreated environment). However, after moving from a 220V country to a 110V one, I had to let go the Genelec and now use the KRK V4 S4. Difference is night and day. Much more headroom, the dynamics of the tracks are now very apparent, better highs, better sense of the medium frequencies,... I feel that the amps in the Genelec are too weak and the metallic tweeters trigger some weird resonances.
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Post by Ned Ward on Apr 7, 2021 19:59:05 GMT -6
Great thread; while not in the market wondering what I'd need to spend to get to the next level from my Event Audio Tuned Reference 6's that I bought new way back in...2003? They still sound pretty good to my ears, but also not listening that loud.
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Post by sean on Apr 8, 2021 6:37:12 GMT -6
I think I’ve narrowed it down to the KRK V4 and Genelec 8030C.
Or I may cough up the dough for PMC Result6. But, they are pretty huge.
Surprisingly few options in the active world that don’t have DSP.
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Post by sean on Apr 8, 2021 6:49:35 GMT -6
I think I’ve narrowed it down to the KRK V4 and Genelec 8030C. Or I may cough up the dough for PMC Result6. But, they are pretty huge. Surprisingly few options in the active world that don’t have DSP. Geithain RL906 look really interesting but buying from a brand that doesn’t have distribution in the US is a problem
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Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 8, 2021 6:50:18 GMT -6
I think I’ve narrowed it down to the KRK V4 and Genelec 8030C. Or I may cough up the dough for PMC Result6. But, they are pretty huge. Surprisingly few options in the active world that don’t have DSP. I've got a pair of V4 series 1 that I'll trade you for a 60s blue/silver club date floor tom. 😂😂
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Post by sean on Apr 8, 2021 6:57:11 GMT -6
I think I’ve narrowed it down to the KRK V4 and Genelec 8030C. Or I may cough up the dough for PMC Result6. But, they are pretty huge. Surprisingly few options in the active world that don’t have DSP. I've got a pair of V4 series 1 that I'll trade you for a 60s blue/silver club date floor tom. 😂😂 That’s going to be hard one to track down! I think I’m either going to end up getting something small because they are quiet and portable, or something like the PMC’s so I don’t feel like I need to upgrade later. I might re-arrange my room a bit and try to get the ATCs feeling better but I think I might park those at a studio where I’ve been doing my tracking lately
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2021 7:44:10 GMT -6
I think I’ve narrowed it down to the KRK V4 and Genelec 8030C. Or I may cough up the dough for PMC Result6. But, they are pretty huge. Surprisingly few options in the active world that don’t have DSP. The KRKs and probably those Genelecs do the crossover in DSP. They just don’t have a ridiculously complex crossover like the coaxial three way Genelecs, Kiis, and Neumanns that leads to filtered sound, lack of depth, or low head room. Also the KRK V6S4 and V8S4 do hiss slightly 🐍 So if you go KRK, make sure you can get your money back if it’s annoying on the pair of V4 you get. All of these plate amps not those in ATC and Quested use junk parts that would get crucified in an audiophile power amp.
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Post by Guitar on Apr 8, 2021 8:43:13 GMT -6
ericn mrholmes Both Neumann and Genelec use overly complex crossovers now too. They both have the heavily filtered sound that audiophiles frequently call “dead inside” because the sound is inside the speakers and they aren’t good at conveying depth cues. This is the fault of cheaper drivers than the completion eqed more and eating into their headroom, especially the Neumanns, where the limiter kicks in very early on the woofers. The Polk TSi100 I just got for $75 definitely have this problem. I wonder if I could tweak the crossover DIY style. They are fine for listening to my piano though, which is all I needed them for.
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Post by ericn on Apr 8, 2021 10:10:18 GMT -6
ericn mrholmes Both Neumann and Genelec use overly complex crossovers now too. They both have the heavily filtered sound that audiophiles frequently call “dead inside” because the sound is inside the speakers and they aren’t good at conveying depth cues. This is the fault of cheaper drivers than the completion eqed more and eating into their headroom, especially the Neumanns, where the limiter kicks in very early on the woofers. The Polk TSi100 I just got for $75 definitely have this problem. I wonder if I could tweak the crossover DIY style. They are fine for listening to my piano though, which is all I needed them for. First at that price I doubt the Polks suffer from an overly complex crossover, in fact if you were to open them up I would be surprised if you found more inside than a cap or 2 being used as a first order -6dB per Octave, HPF. Playing around with crossovers isn’t a matter of opening up the box and seeing what you can bypass. You have to model the performance and interaction of the drivers, the box, and each individual crossover component. If you don’t you will end up with a very strange freq response! There is software out their to help, but the good packages are not cheap. In the DSP/ plate amp world it’s easy, when your programming it’s almost like using plugins and the various filters are not electronically interacting. If you have enough DSP you employee filters that change with Volume and even Temp.
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Post by Guitar on Apr 8, 2021 10:17:03 GMT -6
ericn thanks I'm likely just hearing the limitations of an inexpensive, tiny speaker. They are indeed pretty good for what they are. They sound better today since I toed them in a little. Kind of a metallic, punchy up front sound, with decent bass but obviously not deep. I've been having fun listening to them and they are perfectly adequate for piano.
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Post by woofhead on Apr 8, 2021 14:10:32 GMT -6
I wish nht was still making monitors.I have a set of a10 powered monitors stored away that I really like that need a small repair.Sealed box with 6 1/2 paper driver and and cloth(I think) tweeter, as in not metal. There was also the a20 which had more power but the a10 are great for lowish levels.Outboard amp and very quiet in terms of amp noise
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2021 20:52:37 GMT -6
I wish nht was still making monitors.I have a set of a10 powered monitors stored away that I really like that need a small repair.Sealed box with 6 1/2 paper driver and and cloth(I think) tweeter, as in not metal. There was also the a20 which had more power but the a10 are great for lowish levels.Outboard amp and very quiet in terms of amp noise The supers are still good, just not active.
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Post by nobtwiddler on Apr 11, 2021 20:58:29 GMT -6
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Post by RealNoob on Apr 11, 2021 22:26:52 GMT -6
Interesting the reviewer compares to Genelec, Neumann and PSI (my fav) . That says a lot.
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Post by guitfiddler on Apr 11, 2021 23:53:20 GMT -6
I’m also looking at monitor types in this range, and demoed some cheaper Yamaha HS8’s. They sounded pretty good. Warren at Zen Pro mods these monitors, so they probably sound great for the money. Just another idea. Way under budget and it seemed to me the mids and highs were really good, not sure I liked the mid-lows to lows though, but I was referencing material I wasn’t familiar with and I didn’t hear the ZenPro mod either, but was imagining that if that speaker is modded it just might be a very good deal. Something to consider
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Post by pessoa on Apr 12, 2021 11:35:57 GMT -6
My Yamaha HS7 sounds boring and I am tempted to turn up to loud to get a sence of vibe going. I have been thinking about going up a step getting KRK V6S4 (or the 4’’) but this ralk about hiss is not comforting.
Anyone with experience with both? Would like something that do translate mixes well etc., but sounds a bit nicer.
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Post by Guitar on Apr 12, 2021 11:50:48 GMT -6
I definitely prefer the KRK's over the Yamahas, small hiss or not.
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Post by pouletdegrains on Apr 13, 2021 0:38:36 GMT -6
My Yamaha HS7 sounds boring and I am tempted to turn up to loud to get a sence of vibe going. I have been thinking about going up a step getting KRK V6S4 (or the 4’’) but this ralk about hiss is not comforting. Anyone with experience with both? Would like something that do translate mixes well etc., but sounds a bit nicer. No experience with the Yamahas. However the hiss on my KRK V4S4 is almost inaudible (I have to put my ear against the speaker to hear it), hopefully as I have no choice but to work at low volume most of the time. The sound is definitely not boring: full and dynamic.
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Post by Guitar on Apr 13, 2021 4:49:47 GMT -6
Same here usually I had to lean in to really notice it on my old V6 KRKs.
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Post by pessoa on Apr 13, 2021 7:20:19 GMT -6
Okay, that does not sound that concerning. Are we talking with or without music playing?
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Post by Guitar on Apr 13, 2021 7:32:38 GMT -6
Okay, that does not sound that concerning. Are we talking with or without music playing? With music playing you won't notice at all. It will get buried by the sound. If you sit there, zen like, in a silent room, then you might be able to pick up on it. But over months and years, it was a 'small annoyance' with the V6. Not really a dealbreaker, but yeah it's there.
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