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Post by chessparov on Apr 5, 2021 8:36:14 GMT -6
Not if you ask... "Roseanna" "Roseanna" Chris
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Post by ab101 on Apr 5, 2021 9:09:53 GMT -6
My Audix D6 with an avedis e12g eq has turned into a perfect kick sound. I hear what Tim is saying. I am now checking out a Telefunken dynamic just to see if that eliminates the need for the eq.
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Post by ericn on Apr 5, 2021 10:32:59 GMT -6
Not if you ask... "Roseanna" "Roseanna" Chris Hold the Line! What if it Rains Down in Africa?
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Post by ericn on Apr 5, 2021 10:34:35 GMT -6
My Audix D6 with an avedis e12g eq has turned into a perfect kick sound. I hear what Tim is saying. I am now checking out a Telefunken dynamic just to see if that eliminates the need for the eq. I’m not sure if the D6 is the best Kick sound, but damn it’s the easiest to get a good kick sound.
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Post by bricejchandler on Apr 5, 2021 10:51:15 GMT -6
My Audix D6 with an avedis e12g eq has turned into a perfect kick sound. I hear what Tim is saying. I am now checking out a Telefunken dynamic just to see if that eliminates the need for the eq. I’m not sure if the D6 is the best Kick sound, but damn it’s the easiest to get a good kick sound. Don't you find it too pre eqd? I always struggle with the D6, it just makes any kick sound like a hard rock kick to me! Maybe it's because of the genres I record but I've had much more success with the M88, D12, SM7.
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Post by ericn on Apr 5, 2021 11:40:35 GMT -6
I’m not sure if the D6 is the best Kick sound, but damn it’s the easiest to get a good kick sound. Don't you find it too pre eqd? I always struggle with the D6, it just makes any kick sound like a hard rock kick to me! Maybe it's because of the genres I record but I've had much more success with the M88, D12, SM7. Maybe, it’s just so easy to get that D6 sound, honestly to me it’s more of a live mic, but if I’m walking in blind, not a lot of time to dial things in it is probably going to be in the kit because it’s one thing I simply point at the kick and have something that’s useable. Is it great no, useable yes, as you get older and walk into more unknown situations you will see the value of quick and useable.
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Post by keymod on Apr 5, 2021 13:49:45 GMT -6
D6 combined with an Earthworks Kick Pad is a decent combination
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Post by ab101 on Apr 5, 2021 15:33:11 GMT -6
I’m not sure if the D6 is the best Kick sound, but damn it’s the easiest to get a good kick sound. Don't you find it too pre eqd? I always struggle with the D6, it just makes any kick sound like a hard rock kick to me! Maybe it's because of the genres I record but I've had much more success with the M88, D12, SM7. You might be correct. It may be my placement and preamp (Forssell pre) that is getting the mic out of "hard rock" mode. But as I said, it actually needed eq to be beefed up.
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Post by Ward on Apr 5, 2021 15:55:21 GMT -6
Damn that’s an omnivorous vocal! Did you have anything to do with that Ward? I absolutely love those MG mics! There is this omnivorous liquid flowing magical realness to the source with these mics! Every time I hear this mic it makes me want two again! Dammit! LOL!! I wish. I have friends that work for the last remains of Georg Neumann's company and wish i did!
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Post by Ward on Apr 5, 2021 15:56:18 GMT -6
Not if you ask... "Roseanna" "Roseanna" Chris Hold the Line! What if it Rains Down in Africa? Then, I would bless those rains.
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Post by johneppstein on Apr 5, 2021 17:02:33 GMT -6
My Audix D6 with an avedis e12g eq has turned into a perfect kick sound. I hear what Tim is saying. I am now checking out a Telefunken dynamic just to see if that eliminates the need for the eq. I’m not sure if the D6 is the best Kick sound, but damn it’s the easiest to get a good kick sound. Meh!
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Post by Vincent R. on Apr 5, 2021 17:35:30 GMT -6
I’m not sure if the D6 is the best Kick sound, but damn it’s the easiest to get a good kick sound. Meh! John, you have the Heiserman H47 FET, right? What do you think of it?
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Post by jmoose on Apr 5, 2021 20:04:41 GMT -6
My favorite outside kick condenser is the 414 buls in fig 8. Hard to top! Take advantage of the proximity effect & natural cymbal rejection. First choice if I've got one around. Even over the fet47.
Good fet47 should have plenty of silky top end. Lot of old vintage ones are pooched.
At mercenary probably half would be exaggeration but many that came through were blown out from spending too much time poorly placed on kick drums. Would pass signal but overall not even close to right.
One trick to restore sound was rotate the capsule, use the backside but at least half of the bad ones had already been reversed. So basically the mic is roached and a paperweight. Time for a reskin. Always was a hard conversation.
Vocals?
Both the 87 & fet47 are valid. Some people sound good on one but not the other. That's why hifi for hire production shops have both or some variation of both.
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Post by allbuttonmode on Apr 6, 2021 4:43:17 GMT -6
Well my meaning was more that the Neumann costs 4000 dollars. Even the clones are in the same price range as the UM70 which we've been discussing. Telefunken ELA M251's make great tom mics as Jeff Pocaro proved. Their price makes them a waste of resources used in that application I don't know where you buy your U47 FETs, but mine did certainly not cost 4000 dollars At the time of purchase, the price was 2500 USD. The Porcaro scenario is ridiculous, I agree. But I hardly think it's comparable.
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Post by timcampbell on Apr 6, 2021 5:21:34 GMT -6
Sweetwater has them listed at 4,195 USD. Thomann has them at 3,479 euro and the cheapest one I can find on Reverb was more than 3000 dollars for a B stock reissue so that's where I checked. Great that you got them for 2500 bucks but I don't think an average guy is going to have such luck. From my posts you can imagine I still think 2500 is too much . I have had 2 of them at different times and used them in countless studios. Whenever I found a use for them there was always something equally as good and given my mic locker I could usualy find something I liked even better. Many other engineers I worked with felt the same. Of course you have them so use them but the thread is about buying some in today's market. They have great resale value.
I will admit that I ran across one that came in for repair that sounded phenomenal. It had a large hole in the rear membrane. I told the client to leave it as it was
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Post by ericn on Apr 6, 2021 9:03:11 GMT -6
Sweetwater has them listed at 4,195 USD. Thomann has them at 3,479 euro and the cheapest one I can find on Reverb was more than 3000 dollars for a B stock reissue so that's where I checked. Great that you got them for 2500 bucks but I don't think an average guy is going to have such luck. From my posts you can imagine I still think 2500 is too much . I have had 2 of them at different times and used them in countless studios. Whenever I found a use for them there was always something equally as good and given my mic locker I could usualy find something I liked even better. Many other engineers I worked with felt the same. Of course you have them so use them but the thread is about buying some in today's market. They have great resale value.
I will admit that I ran across one that came in for repair that sounded phenomenal. It had a large hole in the rear membrane. I told the client to leave it as it was If the Average guy is smart enough to call and not pay MAP and has a great relationship with his dealer, $2500 might be a bit low but close. If the average guy just clicks he is paying MAP!
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Post by thirdeye on Apr 6, 2021 10:54:34 GMT -6
I've only used a vintage U47 Fet on kick a few times, and I fell in love with the sound! I could have bought it for $3000 at the time, but thought that was a little steep and didn't have the money. Since then, I have got a Stam SA47 Fet and that seems to give me what remember from the vintage one I used. These days, we'll combine the Stam with a Telefunken M80 usually. Used to combine the 47 with a 421. I will likely get a United UT47 Fet sometime in the near future. I want one 47 fet for kick and one for upright bass.
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Post by ab101 on Apr 6, 2021 11:41:10 GMT -6
Is the United Studio Technologies UT FET47 worth considering as a substitute? (Probably sounds like a stupid question because of its low price - but maybe someone has checked it out.)
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Post by the other mark williams on Apr 6, 2021 11:49:47 GMT -6
Is the United Studio Technologies UT FET47 worth considering as a substitute? (Probably sounds like a stupid question because of its low price - but maybe someone has checked it out.) It's been talked about here a fair bit - you can probably find something if you search. Chad Kelly, the man behind United, is a respected member here, and he knows what he's doing when building mics.
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Post by bricejchandler on Apr 6, 2021 12:25:28 GMT -6
Is the United Studio Technologies UT FET47 worth considering as a substitute? (Probably sounds like a stupid question because of its low price - but maybe someone has checked it out.) I haven't used it but wasn't wowed by the SOS shootout against an original fet47. It didn't sound bad but it was missing a little something. I have a friend who owns one and he's really happy with it, I hope to try it out against the FET47 I use at the studio. Recently I've been using the TLM67 on kick, I'm liking it better than the Fet47 these days and at least here in the EU, they're ridiculously cheap on the used market, cost me the same as a new UT47 and I actually like it on a bunch of stuff. Here's a snippet on kick during a band rehearsal last week. www.dropbox.com/s/pjngiroa3rydw2f/TLM67%20kick.mp3?dl=0
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Post by Vincent R. on Apr 6, 2021 12:59:57 GMT -6
This is one of the few clips I've been able to find the UT FET47.
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Post by mrholmes on Apr 7, 2021 0:34:31 GMT -6
I was thinking of the neumann U47 fet mic as an all arounder, bass amp, guitar amp acoustic guitars, some female vocals was wondering if anyone has used one and has some input for me? Honestly a question for a million answers. If we talk German microphones why not longing for a mic which is versatile in many situations aka UMT70..... ok I repeated myself again....
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Post by jcoutu1 on Apr 7, 2021 7:39:20 GMT -6
John, you have the Heiserman H47 FET, right? What do you think of it? +1. Not a peep about it...
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Post by chessparov on Apr 7, 2021 9:09:14 GMT -6
I was looking up some capsule info, and came across something interesting, regarding the U47 FET. Seems the engineers for Donna Summer, and Laura Branagan's "Disco style/Dance" records commonly used it on their lead vocal. Evidently, a common usage of the U47FET, was to help "bright voiced" female singers, by putting their vocal farther back in the Mix. You could still hear it, and it wouldn't interfere with the rhythm section/Beat. I think this have some relation to how it helps Hard Rock (ala Bon Scott) and Metal vocalists. So now we need a U47 FET for all Rockers/Heavy Dance songs, and a U47 Tube mic for all the rest! Chris
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Post by Ward on Apr 7, 2021 10:39:15 GMT -6
John, you have the Heiserman H47 FET, right? What do you think of it? +1. Not a peep about it... Come on, johneppstein, what's your verdict on it?
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