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Post by bradd on Mar 26, 2021 20:02:53 GMT -6
Hadn’t heard of Lurrsen. Looks interesting. Are you using an analog buss comp doing everything in Lurrsen?
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Post by popmann on Mar 26, 2021 22:26:51 GMT -6
I usually mix with a compressor on the bus. It's not analog...but, there are a few I use. I usually want to see the kick pull 2db or something. Slow attack, fastish release. But, sometimes I use the 2500 set really fast...I dunno...I usually turn it on at about the half way point--pick the one that's sounding right for the tune...
I do NOT limit the master inside the mix project. Mix is a mix. All I do there is slam it with FabFilter and make sure nothing really ugly happens. And then--turn that off before I print.
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Post by theshea on Mar 27, 2021 7:10:13 GMT -6
i am testing TDR limiter 6 GE right now and comparing it with the old VLADG limiter n.6: i gotta say the old one is holding up really good. it's close, yes, it distorts earlier than the new one, but than i am deep into "insanely loud" territory.
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Post by theshea on Mar 27, 2021 11:39:52 GMT -6
bought TDR limiter GE. demoed it the whole afternoon on different style of songs. too good a price for 25 € (plugin boutique). thanks for the head up. i will not buy/skip ozone. which i was considering before.
the new limiter 6 sounds a bit „smoother“, classier than the old VLADG n. 6 one. its subtle but i could hear it and there is really a lot of flexbility. must check the official tutorial video from time to time and study the manual.
so my search is over: with this one i am set for years to come.
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Post by ab101 on Oct 23, 2021 23:30:45 GMT -6
Not a while lot of posts in this thread. I just received a notice of the Voxengo Elephant limiter update and it reminded me to start thinking about limiters again. Not too much of a chance. I see the Softube Weiss and DMG being mentioned here. I would like to read more comments including the aforesaid limiters, the Sonnox limiter and more.
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Post by thehightenor on Oct 24, 2021 16:09:05 GMT -6
The only Limiter I will use for mastering duties is the TC Electronic Brickwall Limiter (mine is on a Powercore 6000 which I keep going just for this single plugin)
Every other Limiter I have demoed (and that's just about ALL of them) sounded slightly vailed and de-focused on transients.
It's an easy test - just throw up a drum track and limit with the TC Brickwall Limiter and listen carefully to the kick and snare transients and it's easy to hear how the remain perfectly intact.
Try any other limiter and the transients get ever so slightly vailed and rounded off in a way I find very negative and annoying.
The only downside of the TC Brickwall Limiter is the sweet spot for invisible GR is about 3dB GR and for modern productions that require LOUD it's not the right tool.
Fortunately, I'm not interested in crushing my dynamic range during the mastering process. I use just three plugins for the mastering process.
DMG Equilibrium EQ (longest possible impulse length)
Sonoris Mastering Compressor
TC Brickwall Limiter.
All doing a little touch here and there - I've personally yet to find a better chain.
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Post by yewtreemagic on Oct 24, 2021 16:24:21 GMT -6
I've been using PSP Xenon ever since I got it way back in 2008, and am still very happy with its performance.
At the time I tested it against Izotope's Ozone 3 Loudness Maximiser module, Voxengo's Elephant 2, Waves' L2 and L3 Ultramaximisers, and Wave Arts' FinalPlug 5.
Even on first listen I picked out Xenon as providing greater clarity and front–back depth than any of these others, although with drums it gave slightly less 'clout' until I increased the Transient setting to 100 percent, to let more of their attack through.
Martin
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Post by Guitar on Oct 24, 2021 16:37:30 GMT -6
Not a while lot of posts in this thread. I just received a notice of the Voxengo Elephant limiter update and it reminded me to start thinking about limiters again. Not too much of a chance. I see the Softube Weiss and DMG being mentioned here. I would like to read more comments including the aforesaid limiters, the Sonnox limiter and more. I used Sonnox Limiter many years ago, for a long stretch, when I was still learning, just getting into recording. I remember it getting pretty bright, and maybe a tiny bit dirty? I haven't listened to it in years, I should try it again. Lately I've gone back to my most trusty Newfangled Elevate, it has all the controls I want in one place, and a wide open sound. I just can't go wrong with it. Haven't pulled up Ozone in a while, although I heard a really good sounding track from mrholmes that I believe was Ozone limited. It sounded so good it made me want to try doing an "all Ozone" mix bus or master, which I've never done before. I've always used separate processor chains. Honestly, there are many that will get the job done, as evinced by the variety of replies in this thread.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2021 21:17:42 GMT -6
I've been using PSP Xenon ever since I got it way back in 2008, and am still very happy with its performance. At the time I tested it against Izotope's Ozone 3 Loudness Maximiser module, Voxengo's Elephant 2, Waves' L2 and L3 Ultramaximisers, and Wave Arts' FinalPlug 5. Even on first listen I picked out Xenon as providing greater clarity and front–back depth than any of these others, although with drums it gave slightly less 'clout' until I increased the Transient setting to 100 percent, to let more of their attack through. Martin PSP Xenon is still ridiculously clean on mode C with oversampling on. The TDR Limiter 6 GE I use more often for the high frequency limiter followed by the regular limiter.
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Post by ericn on Oct 26, 2021 14:50:50 GMT -6
Because I dare / have to be different my limiter of choice will probably always be a JW modded Aphex Dominator. Why you ask, well I can use it for just about anything and it being analog I can use it for house keeping duties of avoiding clipping on the way in. Try one you will probably like it.
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Post by tkaitkai on Oct 26, 2021 19:14:31 GMT -6
It’s not exactly limiting, but one of my favorite plugin combos is Venn Audio Free Clip followed by Pro-L.
If you need to transparently squish peaks, Free Clip is one of the best ways to do it ITB. When set to hard clip at 32x oversampling, you can do an obscene amount of clipping before you get any distortion.
I use Pro-L after the fact for the level display, and maybe a touch of limiting (i.e. less than 1dB).
I’ve yet to find a limiter that sounds as natural as clipping does to me. I actually still love Elephant and even the good ol’ L2, but not for transparency. They squeeze things in a way that I often really like.
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Post by christophert on Oct 26, 2021 19:53:54 GMT -6
DMG Limitless for me. Very flexible.
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Post by ab101 on Oct 26, 2021 21:12:54 GMT -6
I am trying out FabFilter's limiter soon.
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Post by deaconblues on Oct 27, 2021 8:27:25 GMT -6
The Weiss stuff works well for me. Although, the Softube plug-ins always make my older CPU’s heart skip a beat when being loaded in. I have the brief moment of terror where I wonder when my last save was. I guess I should just add it to my default template…
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Post by bgrotto on Oct 27, 2021 10:16:00 GMT -6
Because I dare / have to be different my limiter of choice will probably always be a JW modded Aphex Dominator. Why you ask, well I can use it for just about anything and it being analog I can use it for house keeping duties of avoiding clipping on the way in. Try one you will probably like it. My mentor Sean Slade loved his Dominator. He and Paul Kolderie had used it on all sorts of records they made together over the years, and when Slade and I started working together, he'd bring it to mix sessions. It's cool! I don't know that I'd use it these days, but I did dig it back in the day for its ability to sorta just make things sound 'done'. It is a bit of a sledgehammer, but man...it's a VERY effective sledgehammer. My ITB limiters of choice are the Voxengo Elephant and the TDR No. 6, with a slight preference these days for the Elephant. I occasionally use the Fab Filter one, too, because it has an interesting release that I can get to pump in a cool way, which is sometimes useful. In analog world, I've been experimenting this week with the limiter in an RND MBC I have on loan, and I'm digging that very much. But I'm finding it best to be sort of conservative with that, and then use a digital brick wall for any final crushing.
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Post by ericn on Oct 27, 2021 10:45:45 GMT -6
Because I dare / have to be different my limiter of choice will probably always be a JW modded Aphex Dominator. Why you ask, well I can use it for just about anything and it being analog I can use it for house keeping duties of avoiding clipping on the way in. Try one you will probably like it. My mentor Sean Slade loved his Dominator. He and Paul Kolderie had used it on all sorts of records they made together over the years, and when Slade and I started working together, he'd bring it to mix sessions. It's cool! I don't know that I'd use it these days, but I did dig it back in the day for its ability to sorta just make things sound 'done'. It is a bit of a sledgehammer, but man...it's a VERY effective sledgehammer. My ITB limiters of choice are the Voxengo Elephant and the TDR No. 6, with a slight preference these days for the Elephant. I occasionally use the Fab Filter one, too, because it has an interesting release that I can get to pump in a cool way, which is sometimes useful. In analog world, I've been experimenting this week with the limiter in an RND MBC I have on loan, and I'm digging that very much. But I'm finding it best to be sort of conservative with that, and then use a digital brick wall for any final crushing. Benny it was the world of live drive racks where I first fell in love with the Aphex, then came in ears and I’ll say this I don’t know of a monitor mixer who didn’t have his ass and some acts ears saved by that box. Then I heard Jim’s mod and man I am hooked for life.
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Post by chewmacca on Oct 29, 2021 23:39:16 GMT -6
I like DMG track limiter and limitless. After I read the manual for limitless, I started learning how to use it better. It isn’t super intuitive, but sounds great.
Another one to check out is Acon Limiter. I use it in situations where I would sometimes stack a limiter and compressor. Easy to use as well.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 30, 2021 11:13:04 GMT -6
I must be missing something.. I never use a limiter, just some light compression and a pinch of saturation from the Black Box on the 2 Bus. I do send everything to the UAD Ampeg ATR-102, as if I was recording to tape as I track. I use that from the very start, but I only turn compressors on when 90% or more of the tracking is done.
I've done two albums, a dozen single tracks and 5 tracks for two documentaries this way and after mastering, it's as loud as it needs to be.
I've been working with Margaret Luthar at Welcome to 1979 for the mastering of the recent album.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2021 12:14:30 GMT -6
I must be missing something.. I never use a limiter, just some light compression and a pinch of saturation from the Black Box on the 2 Bus. I do send everything to the UAD Ampeg ATR-102, as if I was recording to tape as I track. I use that from the very start, but I only turn compressors on when 90% or more of the tracking is done. I've done two albums, a dozen single tracks and 5 tracks for two documentaries this way and after mastering, it's as loud as it needs to be. I've been working with Margaret Luthar at Welcome to 1979 for the mastering of the recent album. Most of us are mastering our own stuff and just want to take some peaks off in the cleanest way possible and universalize the volume of the individual tracks without flatlining things. There’s an variety of technical reasons why brick walling hurts translation despite what the average modern mastering dude with thousands in credit card debt and a rack of gear lit up like Christmas lights that sounds awful doing more than 1 db of anything tells you.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 30, 2021 13:01:22 GMT -6
Thanks Dan, that makes sense.
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Post by jhsmastering on Oct 31, 2021 7:34:47 GMT -6
I must be missing something.. I never use a limiter, just some light compression and a pinch of saturation from the Black Box on the 2 Bus. I do send everything to the UAD Ampeg ATR-102, as if I was recording to tape as I track. I use that from the very start, but I only turn compressors on when 90% or more of the tracking is done. I've done two albums, a dozen single tracks and 5 tracks for two documentaries this way and after mastering, it's as loud as it needs to be. I've been working with Margaret Luthar at Welcome to 1979 for the mastering of the recent album. Most of us are mastering our own stuff and just want to take some peaks off in the cleanest way possible and universalize the volume of the individual tracks without flatlining things. There’s an variety of technical reasons why brick walling hurts translation despite what the average modern mastering dude with thousands in credit card debt and a rack of gear lit up like Christmas lights that sounds awful doing more than 1 db of anything tells you. Agreed...unfortunately. "Do no harm" should be an oath that mastering engineers take. I used to use TP limiting all the time, until I turned it off one time and got smacked by REAL dynamics...or going to a -0.5 or -0.3 dB ceiling instead of -1 dB...man, I had no idea I was killing so much LIFE in tracks. To my limited understanding (still kinda new to mastering, only a couple years under the belt, and the pun was intended lol), limiting should be mostly invisible. I know sometimes it provides that last little bit of edge for some genres, but for the most part it shouldn't be heard. Do I have the right idea?
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Post by Ward on Oct 31, 2021 8:38:53 GMT -6
Agreed...unfortunately. "Do no harm" should be an oath that mastering engineers take. Habeus Maximus? Caveat Maximus? Auditorem Cave? Fectum Cave?
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Post by jhsmastering on Nov 1, 2021 6:58:34 GMT -6
Agreed...unfortunately. "Do no harm" should be an oath that mastering engineers take. Habeus Maximus? Caveat Maximus? Auditorem Cave? Fectum Cave? Haha, love it lol! Put a smile on my face this morning.
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Post by Ward on Nov 1, 2021 9:42:26 GMT -6
Habeus Maximus? Caveat Maximus? Auditorem Cave? Fectum Cave? Haha, love it lol! Put a smile on my face this morning. So, Rectum Maximus - latin for "in the style of Vlado Meller"? I'M KIDDING!!
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Post by chessparov on Nov 1, 2021 14:06:19 GMT -6
I'm waiting for the "Hey Be Us" Chorus. Chris
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