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Post by popmann on Mar 29, 2021 14:42:12 GMT -6
I'm kicking around pulling the trigger on the Trek II. This specific model: trekii.com/products/miscellaneous-items/obl-2-sl.htmlI had been kicking around making my own, but I have too many other diy projects on the list. This specific model of the Trek II, the OBL-2-SL, has the ability to also mute the speaker on my M3. It pretty much has all of the functionality I could want and then I could run the M3 to a Neo or a software Leslie sim or whatever I want. Anyway, do you have any opinions on these Trek line output models? I don't. I feel pretty sure the preamp I've used was theirs...but, it was a loaner -and it was for the opposite--plugging a digital organ into the real 122 which has always been pretty convincing IME/O. That's not what you want to run a real Leslie, though. Leslies, unmodded at least, get their power, speed switching, AND line level audio from the organ cable...I've never heard of a Leslie with a "preamp", but if the make on in modern times, how do you switch the speed? The Trek preamp puts it on the footswitch on the unit.... I can see the inexpensive line into a Vent (or I guess software) leslie. Cheap...gets the job done. I can see modding it to drive an actual Leslie (and likely at the same time adding a line out tap while you're in there for the first). I don't see the logic in modding it for line out...THEN maybe buying a footswitch preamp down the road so you can then buy a Leslie... I'll tell you Murph at NashvilleProHammond would answer with authority what it would take and best options. He handles many a touring rig. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jan 4, 2023 18:24:52 GMT -6
So I was going to post a B3 virtual instrument thread and then I realized, didn't I do that not so long ago? Here's an update.
I ended up going with IK B-3X and really loved it. I still have it of course. So why the update?
Cuz this summer I bought a Crumar Mojo 61 for live gigs. I hadn't actually recorded with it but I decided to spring for the GSi VB3-II a few days ago since it's made by the same folks. And yeah, pretty awesome. But more aweseome-r still is that the hardware integration between the Mojo 61 and the VI plugin was totally instant. Literally plug and play with perfect integration. No setup.
Yeah, yeah... the VB3-II is the engine inside the Mojo 61 so of COURSE the integration is perfect. But as well all know, it's ain't always that easy.
So for any gigging guys out there, I totally love the Mojo 61 (and all the Crumar products) and for an extra $75 you can also turn it into the most headache free VI package imaginable. Recommended.
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Post by aremos on Jan 4, 2023 18:33:14 GMT -6
I also ended up with the IK B-3X! Thought it was the best out of AcousticSamples B5 & GG Audio Blue.
(Also have the AIR DB-33 & Arturia B3 but these fell short.)
The guy behind GSi VB3-II hates Pro Tools (no AAX) so it was a no from the beginning
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 5, 2023 10:09:06 GMT -6
I still really dig the IK…but the UA Waterfall is amazing too. That’s the one I end up using most of the time.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jan 5, 2023 12:17:00 GMT -6
I still really dig the IK…but the UA Waterfall is amazing too. That’s the one I end up using most of the time. Haven't used that, it does look pretty awesome. What makes you reach for Waterfall over IK? I really like the IK, but the ease of use with the Mojo 61 <-> VB3-II combo is hard to pass up. It's a bummer that Crumar's combo organ emulations aren't included though, the keyboard has great Vox and Farfisa sounds too. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 5, 2023 15:14:50 GMT -6
I still really dig the IK…but the UA Waterfall is amazing too. That’s the one I end up using most of the time. Haven't used that, it does look pretty awesome. What makes you reach for Waterfall over IK? I really like the IK, but the ease of use with the Mojo 61 <-> VB3-II combo is hard to pass up. It's a bummer that Crumar's combo organ emulations aren't included though, the keyboard has great Vox and Farfisa sounds too. It’s a little more mid forward. Seems to be a little less taxing too. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jan 5, 2023 15:22:36 GMT -6
Haven't used that, it does look pretty awesome. What makes you reach for Waterfall over IK? I really like the IK, but the ease of use with the Mojo 61 <-> VB3-II combo is hard to pass up. It's a bummer that Crumar's combo organ emulations aren't included though, the keyboard has great Vox and Farfisa sounds too. It’s a little more mid forward. Seems to be a little less taxing too. Interesting. Yeah, that's what I think a B3 (or C3, or whatever) should sound like. You tap a note and it attacks you with mid grind and then it's a battle to tame that if you want to. I guess that's a style preference, but playing a real organ is best when it feels a bit like using gas powered string trimmer. Buzzz......buzzz... grgrgrgrgrg... |
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Post by thehightenor on Jan 5, 2023 23:48:48 GMT -6
IK B3X gets my vote.
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Post by mcirish on Jan 6, 2023 9:09:46 GMT -6
So I was going to post a B3 virtual instrument thread and then I realized, didn't I do that not so long ago? Here's an update. I ended up going with IK B-3X and really loved it. I still have it of course. So why the update? Cuz this summer I bought a Crumar Mojo 61 for live gigs. I hadn't actually recorded with it but I decided to spring for the GSi VB3-II a few days ago since it's made by the same folks. And yeah, pretty awesome. But more aweseome-r still is that the hardware integration between the Mojo 61 and the VI plugin was totally instant. Literally plug and play with perfect integration. No setup. Yeah, yeah... the VB3-II is the engine inside the Mojo 61 so of COURSE the integration is perfect. But as well all know, it's ain't always that easy. So for any gigging guys out there, I totally love the Mojo 61 (and all the Crumar products) and for an extra $75 you can also turn it into the most headache free VI package imaginable. Recommended. I use VB3-II and I also bought the drawbars kit (D9X) for it. It integrates seamlessly. I just use an old synth keyboard as a controller and set the D9X on top of it. GM Lab D9X Drawbars
Last weekend I was thinking to myself that I really should sell the leslie and organ. I have them buried in the studio and have not used either in years. My back is happier, but there is something otherworldly about an organ with a leslie cranked up. |
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Post by indiehouse on Jan 6, 2023 10:31:16 GMT -6
I still really dig the IK…but the UA Waterfall is amazing too. That’s the one I end up using most of the time. Do you need an Apollo to track with UA’s B3? |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jan 6, 2023 11:28:18 GMT -6
So I was going to post a B3 virtual instrument thread and then I realized, didn't I do that not so long ago? Here's an update. I ended up going with IK B-3X and really loved it. I still have it of course. So why the update? Cuz this summer I bought a Crumar Mojo 61 for live gigs. I hadn't actually recorded with it but I decided to spring for the GSi VB3-II a few days ago since it's made by the same folks. And yeah, pretty awesome. But more aweseome-r still is that the hardware integration between the Mojo 61 and the VI plugin was totally instant. Literally plug and play with perfect integration. No setup. Yeah, yeah... the VB3-II is the engine inside the Mojo 61 so of COURSE the integration is perfect. But as well all know, it's ain't always that easy. So for any gigging guys out there, I totally love the Mojo 61 (and all the Crumar products) and for an extra $75 you can also turn it into the most headache free VI package imaginable. Recommended. I use VB3-II and I also bought the drawbars kit (D9X) for it. It integrates seamlessly. I just use an old synth keyboard as a controller and set the D9X on top of it. GM Lab D9X Drawbars
Last weekend I was thinking to myself that I really should sell the leslie and organ. I have them buried in the studio and have not used either in years. My back is happier, but there is something otherworldly about an organ with a leslie cranked up. So I was tracking this last night and VB3-II was causing some really weird CPU spikes even at very conservative buffers. Have you experienced this? I had to switch to IK B-3x just do a rough mixdown at the end of the night. It was that spiky. Tried all the usual fixes. Ever experienced anything like that? Is there some sort of hidden setting in VB3-II I need to adjust? Kind of a bummer way to finish a really fun tracking session, the thing was a breeze to use up until then. (Using M1 Mini running Studio One 6. No issues with anything else.) |
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Post by mcirish on Jan 6, 2023 11:49:06 GMT -6
I have not run into that. Are you Mac or PC? I am on a PC. I used to have some odd things with the first version of VB3 but not with the second... so far. I don't use it super often but when I have, it worked fine. You should send a note to Guido. Hopefully, he can sort it out.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Jan 6, 2023 11:59:11 GMT -6
I have not run into that. Are you Mac or PC? I am on a PC. I used to have some odd things with the first version of VB3 but not with the second... so far. I don't use it super often but when I have, it worked fine. You should send a note to Guido. Hopefully, he can sort it out. Yeah, weird. Using a Mac Mini. Definitely something about the plugin. Frankly I was too tired by the end of the night to properly trouble shoot it. I gave up after going through all the standard buffer changes and resets. I think what might have happened is that a tracked three takes to layers and they were probably all being processed in the background. When I hit a glissando VB3 was trying to track like 150 signals at once. Actually, that was definitely the problem now that I think of it. FWIW my other VI's can handle that kind of sloppy practice, but I suppose it's not unreasonable for VB3 to basically be like "dude, wtf?" |
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 6, 2023 13:17:01 GMT -6
I still really dig the IK…but the UA Waterfall is amazing too. That’s the one I end up using most of the time. Do you need an Apollo to track with UA’s B3? You don’t. It’s included in Spark too I think. |
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