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Post by gravesnumber9 on Mar 25, 2021 8:51:37 GMT -6
Hey everyone... so I'm pretty much all-in on Studio One at this point. Nice job to Studio One sucking me into their infrastructure with a great hardware integration (FP16). Every day I'm seeing new features I love and I this past weekend I tracked a session in the software for the first time. Although it was a little error prone (user error... and thankfully I was tracking a friend), it was pretty awesome.
However.
I use Logic's organ VI all the time. It's really good.
It's not easy to just record the organ in Logic and then load into S1. Among other things I'd have to bounce it as an Audio file which means I might as well just use a "real" organ. I could do that but, why?
Anyway, I have the S1 sphere so in theory I have access to all their instruments. The organ I've found is not too impressive and requires a second plug to track the rotary speaker which then needs to have a separate automation map. Clunky.
So, unless you guys have suggestions, I guess I'm now in the market for an awesome electric organ VI. This is a big part of my workflow. Part of my pitch for my little project studio is that I can lay on session piano and organ work without additional charge (this is how I used to make my money in the old days as a call keyboard player). My s*** has to be top notch but it's got to be easy because I really hate fiddling with settings on VI's.
RGO will know what to do.
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Post by kcatthedog on Mar 25, 2021 8:55:30 GMT -6
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Mar 25, 2021 9:03:34 GMT -6
Well that would be a challenge for my "business" model which is...
- Mediocre/average engineer with session keyboards thrown in free! Two for one deal!!! -
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Post by 80hz on Mar 25, 2021 9:07:14 GMT -6
My strongest reccomendations for quality B3 are these:
- GG Audio Blue 3
- GSi VB3 II
- Arturia B3 is quite good
- IK Multimedia B3 is stellar
- NI Vintage Organs (used to have this but sold it and miss it).
I find having 1-2 different organs is great depending on the song and using sounds from one on certain parts and sounds from another in other sections. They all do the B3 thing extremely well.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Mar 25, 2021 9:13:52 GMT -6
My strongest reccomendations for quality B3 are these: - GG Audio Blue 3 - GSi VB3 II - Arturia B3 is quite good - IK Multimedia B3 is stellar - NI Vintage Organs (used to have this but sold it and miss it). I find having 1-2 different organs is great depending on the song and using sounds from one on certain parts and sounds from another in other sections. They all do the B3 thing extremely well. The IK B3 looked pretty sick in the demo I watched last night. It ain't cheap though. Although I guess none of them are. If you had to rank these, where would you rank them? I play a pretty wide variety of sounds but it's all in the rock/blues/gospel type style. Rami Jaffee, Garth Hudson, Ian McLagen are some of my touchpoint to give you an idea of what I do. And, of course, the granddaddy of them all for me which is Rod Argent (who I got to meet a few years ago, what a gentleman). I don't use foot pedals but I'm all over the drawbars and I spend a lot of time getting the sound to "grind" the way I want it to. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Mar 25, 2021 9:15:27 GMT -6
Now I feel like I left out some classics and this is going to be just a list of great organ players. But I can't help it. Booker T. Billy Preston. Al Kooper. And on and on and on...
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Post by mrholmes on Mar 25, 2021 9:39:21 GMT -6
Hey everyone... so I'm pretty much all-in on Studio One at this point. Nice job to Studio One sucking me into their infrastructure with a great hardware integration (FP16). Every day I'm seeing new features I love and I this past weekend I tracked a session in the software for the first time. Although it was a little error prone (user error... and thankfully I was tracking a friend), it was pretty awesome. However. I use Logic's organ VI all the time. It's really good. It's not easy to just record the organ in Logic and then load into S1. Among other things I'd have to bounce it as an Audio file which means I might as well just use a "real" organ. I could do that but, why? Anyway, I have the S1 sphere so in theory I have access to all their instruments. The organ I've found is not too impressive and requires a second plug to track the rotary speaker which then needs to have a separate automation map. Clunky. So, unless you guys have suggestions, I guess I'm now in the market for an awesome electric organ VI. This is a big part of my workflow. Part of my pitch for my little project studio is that I can lay on session piano and organ work without additional charge (this is how I used to make my money in the old days as a call keyboard player). My s*** has to be top notch but it's got to be easy because I really hate fiddling with settings on VI's. RGO will know what to do. stream logic organ into studio one done..... |
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Post by drbill on Mar 25, 2021 9:44:43 GMT -6
The Acousticsamples B5 is pretty good. If you have Kontakt by NI, there are several options that are decent as well. But there's nothing quite like moving air thru a 122/147. Even so, I tend to end up with a VI most of the time unless I'm really motivated.... Good luck!
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Post by ragan on Mar 25, 2021 9:49:46 GMT -6
Acousticsamples B5 is my go-to. I couldn’t jive with Hammond VIs until that one (not that I’ve played them all). It’s good.
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Post by mcirish on Mar 25, 2021 9:49:51 GMT -6
GSI VB3 is what I use. It's very very good. I do have an organ and leslie as well but VB3 is just less hassle than dragging out the leslie. Guido is a great guy too. Top notch.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Mar 25, 2021 9:51:21 GMT -6
The Acousticsamples B5 is pretty good. If you have Kontakt by NI, there are several options that are decent as well. But there's nothing quite like moving air thru a 122/147. Even so, I tend to end up with a VI most of the time unless I'm really motivated.... Good luck! Oh yeah, there is truly nothing like a Leslie pushing actual air. There's also truly nothing that is as much of a hassle! Haha. Ok, maybe not "nothing" but it's up there. For my last record of my own stuff I went to a buddy's studio and played through a mint 122. It's really fun when you're not the one setting it up! |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Mar 25, 2021 9:52:40 GMT -6
Hey everyone... so I'm pretty much all-in on Studio One at this point. Nice job to Studio One sucking me into their infrastructure with a great hardware integration (FP16). Every day I'm seeing new features I love and I this past weekend I tracked a session in the software for the first time. Although it was a little error prone (user error... and thankfully I was tracking a friend), it was pretty awesome. However. I use Logic's organ VI all the time. It's really good. It's not easy to just record the organ in Logic and then load into S1. Among other things I'd have to bounce it as an Audio file which means I might as well just use a "real" organ. I could do that but, why? Anyway, I have the S1 sphere so in theory I have access to all their instruments. The organ I've found is not too impressive and requires a second plug to track the rotary speaker which then needs to have a separate automation map. Clunky. So, unless you guys have suggestions, I guess I'm now in the market for an awesome electric organ VI. This is a big part of my workflow. Part of my pitch for my little project studio is that I can lay on session piano and organ work without additional charge (this is how I used to make my money in the old days as a call keyboard player). My s*** has to be top notch but it's got to be easy because I really hate fiddling with settings on VI's. RGO will know what to do. stream logic organ into studio one done..... Intriguing. How would the signal path work? I'm not a MIDI expert at all. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Mar 25, 2021 10:00:29 GMT -6
Acousticsamples B5 looks nice for sure. Anyone know if the Leslie is part of the VI or a separate plug? I'm hoping for an all-in-one.
McIrish - The GSI VB3 looks awesome but it also looks like the Leslie is it's own piece. Included, but separate. Isn't that a hassle? Or is not such a big deal.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Mar 25, 2021 10:01:15 GMT -6
One more idea... I have an old XK2 lying around that still functions perfectly (last I knew). A VI that is already mapped to this out of the box would be outstanding.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 25, 2021 10:32:09 GMT -6
I have the Acoustic samples B5 and IK B3…think I prefer the IK. That being said, I’ve been considering selling both and buying the Yamaha Rrface B3 thing. Tired of dealing with latency and fitting a Software B3 at the end of a full session.
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Post by Quint on Mar 25, 2021 10:37:00 GMT -6
I have the Acoustic samples B5 and IK B3…think I prefer the IK. That being said, I’ve been considering selling both and buying the Yamaha Rrface B3 thing. Tired of dealing with latency and fitting a Software B3 at the end of a full session. Yeah, the dedicated buttons things is nice too. Key mapping is always a drag. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Mar 25, 2021 10:39:32 GMT -6
Looks like the IK B3-x includes mapping for the XK series of controllers. This could be a deal winner for me.
It is true that a software B3 is a nightmare at the end of a session (where you normally end up tracking it). For my purposes I fear it's a necessary evil. I could just use the signal coming out of my XK2 and route that as a straight input. It sounds great, but I've really gotten hooked on being able to use MIDI to go back and tweak drawbar settings after the fact. It's counter to my entire recording philosophy but, hey, what's the point of rules if you don't break them?
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 25, 2021 11:20:16 GMT -6
Looks like the IK B3-x includes mapping for the XK series of controllers. This could be a deal winner for me. It is true that a software B3 is a nightmare at the end of a session (where you normally end up tracking it). For my purposes I fear it's a necessary evil. I could just use the signal coming out of my XK2 and route that as a straight input. It sounds great, but I've really gotten hooked on being able to use MIDI to go back and tweak drawbar settings after the fact. It's counter to my entire recording philosophy but, hey, what's the point of rules if you don't break them? I mean - nightmare might be hyperbolic, but it can be a pain for me. I have to freeze something like the drumbus and maybe bass…take off some master processing. Convenience seems to be really important to me right now. |
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Post by ragan on Mar 25, 2021 11:46:38 GMT -6
Acousticsamples B5 looks nice for sure. Anyone know if the Leslie is part of the VI or a separate plug? I'm hoping for an all-in-one. McIrish - The GSI VB3 looks awesome but it also looks like the Leslie is it's own piece. Included, but separate. Isn't that a hassle? Or is not such a big deal. The Leslie cab simulation is part of B5. I used to use the Melda Leslie all the time but in the latest version of B5, the Leslie is on par with the Melda so I jist pick one or the other to taste. I run it so the modulation wheel functions as the Leslie fast/slow. Really damn fun to play. Another sound I really like is tracking my Hammond M111 (no Leslie) and running it through the B5 or Melda Leslie. Sounds great. |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Mar 25, 2021 11:51:47 GMT -6
Looks like the IK B3-x includes mapping for the XK series of controllers. This could be a deal winner for me. It is true that a software B3 is a nightmare at the end of a session (where you normally end up tracking it). For my purposes I fear it's a necessary evil. I could just use the signal coming out of my XK2 and route that as a straight input. It sounds great, but I've really gotten hooked on being able to use MIDI to go back and tweak drawbar settings after the fact. It's counter to my entire recording philosophy but, hey, what's the point of rules if you don't break them? I mean - nightmare might be hyperbolic, but it can be a pain for me. I have to freeze something like the drumbus and maybe bass…take off some master processing. Convenience seems to be really important to me right now. Haha. Guilty as charged. Hyperbolic for sure. I find that if I'm recording someone else I'm ok with doing whatever work it takes to get what is needed. But if I'm recording myself and there's any block between playing the music and recording the music, I'm liable to find justifications to not do it right. "Meh... organ is overkill on this thing anyway. I'll slap a wurly on it and call it a day." |
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Post by the other mark williams on Mar 25, 2021 12:07:37 GMT -6
"Meh... organ is overkill on this thing anyway. I'll slap a wurly on it and call it a day." HERETIC!  |
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Post by Ned Ward on Mar 25, 2021 12:28:50 GMT -6
I owned the NI B4 II and it was great; was bummed when Native Instruments didn't update that or their Pro-53 plugin.
Currently I use the Arturia B3 and it's good; with the Keylab keyboard integration even better.
IK's B3 looks great, and you can download and try it with a free trial to see if it works for you.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 25, 2021 13:40:58 GMT -6
"Meh... organ is overkill on this thing anyway. I'll slap a wurly on it and call it a day." HERETIC! Well, MY organ playing makes me re-think |
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Post by mrholmes on Mar 25, 2021 13:44:28 GMT -6
stream logic organ into studio one done..... Intriguing. How would the signal path work? I'm not a MIDI expert at all.
I bet there is more than one VI in Logic you like. Furthermore, you also can run CPU hog plug ins on a second computer with logic.... I often run all tape sim plug or a heavy taxing mix bus combination on my second machine and this frees the CPU of the main machine.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Mar 25, 2021 14:06:30 GMT -6
Intriguing. How would the signal path work? I'm not a MIDI expert at all.
I bet there is more than one VI in Logic you like. Furthermore, you also can run CPU hog plug ins on a second computer with logic.... I often run all tape sim plug or a heavy taxing mix bus combination on my second machine and this frees the CPU of the main machine.
For sure, but how do I do this? There's lots of ways I'd use it. For example, the drum samples in Logic are solid (and I know which ones I like, arguably even more important). But I'm not clear on how I route the signal through Logic on a second computer. I'm sure this is a relatively simple MIDI routing but I've primarily been an audio instrument person for a long time and haven't done anything all that complex with MIDI. I'd love if you could just give me a skeleton of how to do this from Logic to S1. |
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