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Post by gwlee7 on Mar 26, 2021 11:11:04 GMT -6
OK, it gets weirder. If I get a file directly from the newest version, nothing. If that guy sends it to another guy in the band with an older version that will open it, and then he sends it to me, I can open it. You need to get the whole raccoon then. The tail isn't enough commission.
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Post by the other mark williams on Mar 26, 2021 12:15:59 GMT -6
OK, it gets weirder. If I get a file directly from the newest version, nothing. If that guy sends it to another guy in the band with an older version that will open it, and then he sends it to me, I can open it. It must be because it's a full moon in two days. Or some weird end-of-the-month thing. Probably in the fine print.
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Post by EmRR on Mar 26, 2021 12:27:35 GMT -6
Makes it look like it's not so much a real code change that prohibits, but an artificial interoperability barrier to keep the range limited, a regional sliding scale.
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Post by Ned Ward on Mar 26, 2021 14:06:48 GMT -6
Makes it look like it's not so much a real code change that prohibits, but an artificial interoperability barrier to keep the range limited, a regional sliding scale. Doug - I just asked my daughter for a GB file and here's a simple way to get the files: 1. Right click on the song file. 2. Click "Show Package Contents" 3. Navigate to Media -> Audio Files That's it! While this is on Catalina, it should also work on High Sierra. It's the same way I access images from Keynote files. Note that I don't currently even have Garageband installed and this works. Hope this helps. Attachments:
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Post by the other mark williams on Mar 26, 2021 14:11:32 GMT -6
Makes it look like it's not so much a real code change that prohibits, but an artificial interoperability barrier to keep the range limited, a regional sliding scale. Doug - I just asked my daughter for a GB file and here's a simple way to get the files: 1. Right click on the song file. 2. Click "Show Package Contents" 3. Navigate to Media -> Audio Files That's it! While this is on Catalina, it should also work on High Sierra. It's the same way I access images from Keynote files. Note that I don't currently even have Garageband installed and this works. Hope this helps. He already mentioned doing this in this thread. Problem is, he might have bits and pieces of audio files that are all over the timeline, what with overdubs and such. The bands in question haven't rendered their audio files from 1 1 1 1 on the timeline.
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Post by Ned Ward on Mar 26, 2021 14:24:54 GMT -6
Mark - thanks as I didn't see that. Hopefully on his site Doug has stated that for formats like Garageband you need to specify how the files need to be delivered - ie contiguous/consolidated audio files, including bounced audio for virtual instruments. This would be the same if I brought a Studio Vision Pro session. If not, a good opportunity to include. Here's an example I found at random for a studio that lists how to consolidate files across multiple DAWS - I imagine this does help them. www.asylumdigital.com/file-consolidation-guidelines-1
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Post by EmRR on Mar 26, 2021 14:47:33 GMT -6
People don't look at websites! HAHAHAHAHA.
From too many years of selling things, few people read with comprehension either.
Weirder weirder: GB file will open on one High Sierra system, not the other. The only difference I can think of is one is APFS and the other HFS+. It opens on the APFS. I'm moving a zip file as received and unzipping on the computer I'm trying.
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Post by fusionhead on Mar 26, 2021 16:32:28 GMT -6
Mark - thanks as I didn't see that. Hopefully on his site Doug has stated that for formats like Garageband you need to specify how the files need to be delivered - ie contiguous/consolidated audio files, including bounced audio for virtual instruments. This would be the same if I brought a Studio Vision Pro session. If not, a good opportunity to include. Here's an example I found at random for a studio that lists how to consolidate files across multiple DAWS - I imagine this does help them. www.asylumdigital.com/file-consolidation-guidelines-1This was essentially my point in my admittedly overly-verbose post above. If someone wants to give you a Garageband project, it's not unreasonable for them to understand there are some simple steps required by them to enable that transfer. That web page you note has great info. However, the video noted earlier offers what seems a more efficient method to bulk output all tracks, then find them inside the GB package. But I thought that was a good tip about "Disable all automation, plugins, etc. & “Zero” out the faders & pans."... because Garageband can ONLY create stereo files, so setting pans to centre will at least give you same level on L/R channels when you end up converting to mono.
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Post by EmRR on Mar 26, 2021 17:27:17 GMT -6
Even if the project is simple enough to pull WAV's out of the package, there's also likely some virtual instrument or amp sim you have to get from a GB bounce.
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Post by Guitar on Mar 27, 2021 5:42:45 GMT -6
I think computer experts call this kind of support to end users "Hand holding," or "LMGTFY" Let Me Get This For You. It's extraordinary, but I wouldn't expect any less.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 27, 2021 8:13:35 GMT -6
This was a lot of pages for something easily solved. Just get a used computer with Logic, load the Garage band tracks into it, send them to your DAW of choice. Or.. just get Logic and use it.
I don't do lots of client/mixing, only a few things occasionally. I did work with clients every day in the mid 80's for 12 years though. I've read in music biz magazines that a lot more top songwriters work with Garage Band than you'd think. I'd be thrilled if one of them sent me a Garage Band project to work on!
With Logic, using Garage Band is usually a no brainer. You don't need the newest fastest mac in history. I'm using a 2015 iMac with 32 gig memory with Catalina 10.16.7 for years now and I have zero issues with it.
Now, I can appreciate how frustrating it is to deal with inexperienced clients, but there's two ways to see that. First, it's a PITA and yet you need clients. Second, you get to solve a problem, get a client and potentially have them bring you more and more work if all goes well.
I know a major league producer, like.. top ten in the world producer who takes the second point of view. He gets projects sometimes that are a huge mess, 150 tracks recorded all over the place with different levels and plug-ins, and the client likes some of the sounds, sort of. Other producers turned the work down. He sees that as an opportunity and got work other big shots passed on. Those clients work with him a lot now, and the money made from those clients will buy him a new condo now if he wants one.
One thing I think Dr. Bill is expressing is you still must keep your dignity as a professional. It can be done with tact and patience, and your client list will grow. Occasionally, you must be willing to let a client go. You need that energy which PITA clients will sense and it will help you through.
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Post by EmRR on Mar 27, 2021 16:25:08 GMT -6
Have them watch this tutorial. You'll get AIF files. I don't know if they're stereo or mono. Toward the end of the video he even shows how to turn off processing on each stem. Ok, the lock/freeze option was new to me. Best thing yet. It does make a mono file when appropriate (yes!). It does not name anything, so you still have keep a list and retitle. I'm seeing 44K1/32float as result. It gets dumber, one mystery solved. I have several versions of GB on the main computer, and it was defaulting to an older one. Everything opens now.
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Post by lpedrum on Mar 27, 2021 20:51:18 GMT -6
This was a lot of pages for something easily solved. Just get a used computer with Logic, load the Garage band tracks into it, send them to your DAW of choice. Or.. just get Logic and use it. Well, actually this long thread uncovered quite a few ideas on how to deal with a thorny, moving target problem. I guess throwing $1000 at another Mac and Logic is an "easy" solution. I'm a working musician/studio owner and any expense over $500 is not easy for me. I get that there is an opportunity in meeting the customer where they are, regardless of how challenging that can be at times. But personally I don't mind a little grumbling and commiseration amongst us if it leads to solutions that get the job done. .
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Post by EmRR on Mar 27, 2021 22:05:30 GMT -6
Anyone else remember that minute when the kids were all using mp3’s but the pros’s didn’t know what they were? This feels kinda like that.
I remember some clients sending lowest res mp3’s that were up-converted to WAV to mastering once.....and the guy mastered it! He knew it sounded bad but didn’t know why! Neither did I!
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Mar 28, 2021 10:15:42 GMT -6
Now, I can appreciate how frustrating it is to deal with inexperienced clients, but there's two ways to see that. First, it's a PITA and yet you need clients. Second, you get to solve a problem, get a client and potentially have them bring you more and more work if all goes well. I know a major league producer, like.. top ten in the world producer who takes the second point of view. He gets projects sometimes that are a huge mess, 150 tracks recorded all over the place with different levels and plug-ins, and the client likes some of the sounds, sort of. Other producers turned the work down. He sees that as an opportunity and got work other big shots passed on. Those clients work with him a lot now, and the money made from those clients will buy him a new condo now if he wants one. One thing I think Dr. Bill is expressing is you still must keep your dignity as a professional. It can be done with tact and patience, and your client list will grow. Occasionally, you must be willing to let a client go. You need that energy which PITA clients will sense and it will help you through. This is helpful to hear.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 28, 2021 13:13:09 GMT -6
This was a lot of pages for something easily solved. Just get a used computer with Logic, load the Garage band tracks into it, send them to your DAW of choice. Or.. just get Logic and use it. Well, actually this long thread uncovered quite a few ideas on how to deal with a thorny, moving target problem. I guess throwing $1000 at another Mac and Logic is an "easy" solution. I'm a working musician/studio owner and any expense over $500 is not easy for me. I get that there is an opportunity in meeting the customer where they are, regardless of how challenging that can be at times. But personally I don't mind a little grumbling and commiseration amongst us if it leads to solutions that get the job done. . Why do you need "another mac", can't you put Logic on your current computer? Also, I'm sure there are some used MacBooks well under $500 that could do the trick. I just took a look at facebook's Marketplace, and found a dozen MacBooks under $500, I'm sure some of have the specs that would do the trick. I still think you would do well to get Logic. Good luck whichever way you go.
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Post by stormymondays on Mar 28, 2021 13:37:23 GMT -6
The latest version of Logic won’t run in anything but the latest OS, maybe the one before. I wouldn’t run those versions of the OS even if I could.
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Post by fusionhead on Mar 28, 2021 13:38:19 GMT -6
Why do you need "another mac", can't you put Logic on your current computer? Also, I'm sure there are some used MacBooks well under $500 that could do the trick. I just took a look at facebook's Marketplace, and found a dozen MacBooks under $500, I'm sure some of have the specs that would do the trick. I still think you would do well to get Logic. Good luck whichever way you go. Agreed, for those who work on Macs, buying Logic is a good way to go as it allows opening GB projects directly and (if necessary) simple export to any required format. For those on PC, might be worth first educating the client to the simple steps to output tracks from GB, and if that causes grief or risks losing a large number of jobs, the cost of a used Mac plus Logic might be worth it. stormymondays - Yes, it does suck that the newest Logic needs OS Catalina or Big Sur to run. I am still on Mojave running previous Logic version but am on the verge of moving to Catalina which is apparently stable for Logic (just not sure about mixer driver). If someone buys a used Mac, they'd need to ensure it's supported by the newest OS. Wouldn't it be cool if either Apple recognized how many 'pros' are using GB and therefore the need for better GB track output options (don't hold your breath), OR that there were a third-party app or service where you could simply upload a GB project and get back all individual tracks in WAV (starting at 1.1.1.1), properly labeled per track? As mentioned above, there are already apps like StereoMonoizer that can do mono conversion if needed.
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Post by Guitar on Mar 28, 2021 13:42:30 GMT -6
One of my favorite records was recorded in Garage Band, Visions by Grimes, pretty impressive what she was able to do in that software. And yes, she handed it off to a "pro" for the mixdown.
Just an example of music quality with the software.
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Post by lpedrum on Mar 28, 2021 13:58:16 GMT -6
Well, actually this long thread uncovered quite a few ideas on how to deal with a thorny, moving target problem. I guess throwing $1000 at another Mac and Logic is an "easy" solution. I'm a working musician/studio owner and any expense over $500 is not easy for me. I get that there is an opportunity in meeting the customer where they are, regardless of how challenging that can be at times. But personally I don't mind a little grumbling and commiseration amongst us if it leads to solutions that get the job done. . Why do you need "another mac", can't you put Logic on your current computer? Also, I'm sure there are some used MacBooks well under $500 that could do the trick. I just took a look at facebook's Marketplace, and found a dozen MacBooks under $500, I'm sure some of have the specs that would do the trick. I still think you would do well to get Logic. Good luck whichever way you go. I’m currently using Sierra on my Mac so the answer to your question is no, I can’t simply buy Logic and install it. Logic or Garage band won’t run on anything less than Catalina. There are solutions to the designed in obsolescence of Apple products, but for many of us those solutions are not as simple as you suggest.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Mar 28, 2021 17:03:59 GMT -6
I understand, but in a way, the solution is still simple. You need a newer mac that can run new versions. I don't mean to be flippant at all. I struggled with a 2012 mac i5 for a long time and a few years ago bought a used 2015 iMac i7 with 32 gigs memory and haven't had a hiccup since. I do understand sometimes money is tight.
I hope you can find a workaround, it's frustrating when you get shut out by Apple's updates, I know all too well.
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Post by jmoose on Mar 29, 2021 22:09:45 GMT -6
Anyone else remember that minute when the kids were all using mp3’s but the pros’s didn’t know what they were? This feels kinda like that. I was gonna say that GB has been a thing for about a decade but I looked it up, been even longer. First edition was actually 2004. It didn't just appear form out of the blue in the last couple 3 years... Strikes me as... maybe not amusing, but interesting that you say the ADAT are working but are dead obsolete tech. The modern ADAT is a $300 interface with garageband. That's what people are using. I'm sure that many, myself included wouldn't blink at dropping $2k on a fancypants mic or preamp... yet $2k on a new DAW rig?! Woah. Dood. Stop the crazy talk.
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Post by EmRR on Mar 29, 2021 23:15:25 GMT -6
Well I blink at anything that costs more than about $500.
It’s not the money with a new computer, it’s everything else! You know this!
Multiple days of system config and reauthorizations. $$$ for mandatory software updates. The hunt for daily use software that doesn’t survive the transition, the hunt for new methods. The discovery of interfaces that don’t have today’s up to date drivers - and never will. The replacement search and the $$$-$$$$.
It’s NEVER just a computer. Any idiot knows this.
Anyway.....reading with comprehension....see 2 posts back.....
The striking thing is that tutorial showing a batch export method that was vastly easier than I ever found, along with 4 pages of no one else knowing it either, mostly ‘buy logic’, which isn’t even required. Kinda like the mp3 thing....
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Post by grantb on Apr 13, 2021 14:51:38 GMT -6
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