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Post by EmRR on Mar 22, 2021 10:54:28 GMT -6
What a pain in the ass. Maybe the worst too in relation to update cycles, so many people have their Mac set to auto-update everything, and I frequently get Garageband sessions that are too new a version to open....even when I have a pretty new computer, I've seen it! My upgrade cycle should not be tuned to yours!
SO......there must be some consensus about what free DAW these people can be cajoled into using instead.....what's the straightest user move from Garageband?
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Post by mhbunch on Mar 22, 2021 11:08:00 GMT -6
I personally love getting Garageband files because the entire session can open in Logic.
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Post by EmRR on Mar 22, 2021 11:27:55 GMT -6
I personally love getting Garageband files because the entire session can open in Logic. Probably only the most recent version! ahahahahaha. Seriously, will an old version of Logic open a new version of Garageband? Which I don't have or plan to learn......I want raw files with no processing. I'm probably just dreaming and moaning.
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Post by christopher on Mar 22, 2021 11:38:03 GMT -6
Anyone try cakewalk by bandlab? www.bandlab.com/products/cakewalkA few years ago they said it’s Sonar Platinum for free.. but then Google sonar and there’s still a site selling sonar platinum for $499 or monthly subscriptions? The nice thing is Sonar is pretty easy to learn, has all the instruments they need. (I’ve never tried or heard of anyone using the Bandlab version). just in Sonar DO NOT LET THEM RECORD IN LANES (playlists) .. each take needs a new track.
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Post by mhbunch on Mar 22, 2021 12:02:26 GMT -6
I personally love getting Garageband files because the entire session can open in Logic. Probably only the most recent version! ahahahahaha. Seriously, will an old version of Logic open a new version of Garageband? Which I don't have or plan to learn......I want raw files with no processing. I'm probably just dreaming and moaning. I've never had an issue and I'm still on High Sierra. Sometimes just the "warning this was created on a newer version" pops up but everything still opens fine. Maybe I just haven't run into someone running a brand new Big Sur mac?
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Post by EmRR on Mar 22, 2021 12:17:08 GMT -6
Probably only the most recent version! ahahahahaha. Seriously, will an old version of Logic open a new version of Garageband? Which I don't have or plan to learn......I want raw files with no processing. I'm probably just dreaming and moaning. I've never had an issue and I'm still on High Sierra. Sometimes just the "warning this was created on a newer version" pops up but everything still opens fine. Maybe I just haven't run into someone running a brand new Big Sur mac? I've seen that warning a bunch, that one seems to be about the add-on sounds and efx being out of date. Lately I'm getting 'can't open' from people.
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Post by drbill on Mar 22, 2021 12:56:39 GMT -6
Just tell them you want contiguous WAV/AIFF files that start at bar 1, beat 1 thru the end of the song with the tempo written on the file. Simple, done. Never have to worry about what DAW they used or version or Mac vs. PC, etc.. That's the only way I've ever accepted files. Simple. Can't screw it up....
Well, it seems some people can screw up anything, but they don't get a call back after I've described how to do it once.
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Post by EmRR on Mar 22, 2021 14:12:27 GMT -6
Just tell them you want contiguous WAV/AIFF files that start at bar 1, beat 1 thru the end of the song with the tempo written on the file. Simple, done. Never have to worry about what DAW they used or version or Mac vs. PC, etc.. That's the only way I've ever accepted files. Simple. Can't screw it up.... Well, it seems some people can screw up anything, but they don't get a call back after I've described how to do it once. That's not a thing you can get a layperson to get out of Garageband.
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Post by drbill on Mar 22, 2021 14:45:31 GMT -6
Just tell them you want contiguous WAV/AIFF files that start at bar 1, beat 1 thru the end of the song with the tempo written on the file. Simple, done. Never have to worry about what DAW they used or version or Mac vs. PC, etc.. That's the only way I've ever accepted files. Simple. Can't screw it up.... Well, it seems some people can screw up anything, but they don't get a call back after I've described how to do it once. That's not a thing you can get a layperson to get out of Garageband. Oooookay.... Well then, buy a cheap late model laptop and keep it 100% up to date if you want to work with those folks who can't figure it out. Or....don't work with em.
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Post by jmoose on Mar 22, 2021 17:46:08 GMT -6
Just tell them you want contiguous WAV/AIFF files that start at bar 1, beat 1 thru the end of the song with the tempo written on the file. Simple, done. Never have to worry about what DAW they used or version or Mac vs. PC, etc.. That's the only way I've ever accepted files. Simple. Can't screw it up.... Well, it seems some people can screw up anything, but they don't get a call back after I've described how to do it once. Garageband isn't really setup for exporting raw audio files. There is a loophole, or maybe more like wormhole around it but you end up in another level of hell with stereo files. All hail Satan! I'm a Logic guy so it's easy enough to open things as is with the click of a button. Then I usually look at the project and wonder wtf did they do here?! Long as the check doesn't bounce and the music isn't too crappy I could care less.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2021 17:50:23 GMT -6
What a pain in the ass. Maybe the worst too in relation to update cycles, so many people have their Mac set to auto-update everything, and I frequently get Garageband sessions that are too new a version to open....even when I have a pretty new computer, I've seen it! My upgrade cycle should not be tuned to yours! SO......there must be some consensus about what free DAW these people can be cajoled into using instead.....what's the straightest user move from Garageband? If they’re playing real instruments, tel them to “evaluate” Reaper and send all files as 24-bit dithered wav with no noise shaping. That is throwing them into shark infested waters. Maybe they’ll pay you to track them now.
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Post by wiz on Mar 22, 2021 18:13:53 GMT -6
Probably the easiest way out... either, send em to me or someone else and get em to produce wavs for you... or buy some sort of Mac to do it yourself... I don think someone using Garageband, is gonna learn a new DAW.
If its only now and then, happy to do it bud for free
Cheers
Wiz
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Post by EmRR on Mar 22, 2021 19:44:21 GMT -6
That's not a thing you can get a layperson to get out of Garageband. Oooookay.... Well then, buy a cheap late model laptop and keep it 100% up to date if you want to work with those folks who can't figure it out. Or....don't work with em. So easily said.... What everyone is missing apparently, is that clients you've recorded for years WILL start sending you overdubs they did in garageband to rough mixes you sent them.
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Post by EmRR on Mar 22, 2021 19:47:22 GMT -6
Probably the easiest way out... either, send em to me or someone else and get em to produce wavs for you... or buy some sort of Mac to do it yourself... I don think someone using Garageband, is gonna learn a new DAW. Between my wife and I we have 7 Macs. All of them are more than 3 minutes old, so none will open something done in the latest version. This is what Apple does, forces constant updates, including hardware.
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Post by EmRR on Mar 22, 2021 19:49:47 GMT -6
Really, the point is being missed. People with macs WILL use garageband, because it's there. I don't need a solution for Garageband exports, I need the HOTTEST BEST tip on the thing MOST LIKE IT that has easy file export for dummies, so I can advise a switch to THAT, AWAY from GB.
I've never looked at Reaper or any of the other freebies, so I've no idea what consensus is about them.
You can 'view package' (the hidden stuff), and grab the WAV, but that's dependent on people actually cleaning up their files and deleting the unused reject stuff. HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAAAA
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Post by boostudio on Mar 22, 2021 20:05:21 GMT -6
I feel your pain ...
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Post by jeremygillespie on Mar 22, 2021 20:17:23 GMT -6
And I thought getting only stereo files from people labeled audio1 audio2 audio3 audio4 etc etc etc was bad.
Let’s spend 2 hours of my day deciphering bullshit....
Sorry Doug I’m of no help, just here to pile on the complaints 😬
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Post by EmRR on Mar 22, 2021 20:19:37 GMT -6
And I thought getting only stereo files from people labeled audio1 audio2 audio3 audio4 etc etc etc was bad. Let’s spend 2 hours of my day deciphering bullshit.... Sorry Doug I’m of no help, just here to pile on the complaints 😬 HAHAHAHA if it's only 2 hours, you're lucky! It's easier to do the GB export to stereo thing myself than explain it (LOTS of steps), but people auto-updating has proven to be a constant problem.
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Post by jmoose on Mar 22, 2021 20:25:25 GMT -6
You'll never convince someone using GB to move away from it.
Most GB users are musicians not engineers they can't go deeper. That's what they pay us for. In theory.
Audio production is a technology driven business these days. Unless you have some sort of niche like direct to cutting lathe and can ignore digital entirely then you have to stay at least somewhat current.
If your a working professional this isn't even debatable. You can choose to be on an island with a 10 year old DAW rig but don't be shocked when someone steals your lunch money.
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Post by svart on Mar 22, 2021 20:27:35 GMT -6
I've never had a problem opening reaper files from even 15 years ago.
That said, it's not a freebie. It's just unhindered in it's trial form. People don't respect it because it's seen as "free".
But I feel your pain. I've had tons of folks just flat out refuse to export consolidated tracks or anything. A 5 minute process but folks won't do it. Most of them don't understand how, but while they'll take on recording themselves, they won't deal with banal housekeeping like this.
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Post by EmRR on Mar 22, 2021 20:39:54 GMT -6
You'll never convince someone using GB to move away from it. Most GB users are musicians not engineers they can't go deeper. That's what they pay us for. In theory. Audio production is a technology driven business these days. Unless you have some sort of niche like direct to cutting lathe and can ignore digital entirely then you have to stay at least somewhat current. If your a working professional this isn't even debatable. You can choose to be on an island with a 10 year old DAW rig but don't be shocked when someone steals your lunch money. I don't even use protools, so they took my lunch money years ago......
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Post by jmoose on Mar 22, 2021 20:57:59 GMT -6
But I feel your pain. I've had tons of folks just flat out refuse to export consolidated tracks or anything. A 5 minute process but folks won't do it. Most of them don't understand how, but while they'll take on recording themselves, they won't deal with banal housekeeping like this. Musician vs engineer. Housekeeping is an unknown concept. Forget exporting, just comping takes? I got a few projects to mix last year where the lead vocal was split to at least several tracks. Every time there was a punch or new section it's on a new track. Follow the bouncing ball... not an isolated occurance! I'd rather spend time making creative decisions but if they agree to my rate I'm happy to do housekeeping and cash the check.
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Post by svart on Mar 22, 2021 21:12:38 GMT -6
But I feel your pain. I've had tons of folks just flat out refuse to export consolidated tracks or anything. A 5 minute process but folks won't do it. Most of them don't understand how, but while they'll take on recording themselves, they won't deal with banal housekeeping like this. Musician vs engineer. Housekeeping is an unknown concept. Forget exporting, just comping takes? I got a few projects to mix last year where the lead vocal was split to at least several tracks. Every time there was a punch or new section it's on a new track. Follow the bouncing ball... not an isolated occurance! I'd rather spend time making creative decisions but if they agree to my rate I'm happy to do housekeeping and cash the check. Had one of those a few years back, about 30 vocal tracks.. none of them in tune or time.. I edited them down to a couple leads and a couple pairs of backgrounds and then tuned them. Hours and hours of work. I got a twisted face when I played it back for the client. She preferred it all out of time and tune.. said it sounded more "real", then asked me what I did with all the tracks.. I explained that I edited them all together and rendered a few new tracks in the place of the dozens before. "You can do that?" Yep. "How do you keep track of which track is what if they're all in one track?" Huh? All the tracks are combined into fewer tracks to make it easier to work with. "But how do you change stuff if they're all in one track?" And about that time I realized the artist didn't understand that things don't need to be separate to edit them. They thought that I'd you combined things, you could no longer edit them.
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Post by drbill on Mar 22, 2021 21:18:43 GMT -6
Probably the easiest way out... either, send em to me or someone else and get em to produce wavs for you... or buy some sort of Mac to do it yourself... I don think someone using Garageband, is gonna learn a new DAW. Between my wife and I we have 7 Macs. All of them are more than 3 minutes old, so none will open something done in the latest version. This is what Apple does, forces constant updates, including hardware. Well....I ALSO hate what apple does with constant upgrades, but it's up to the studio / producer as to what they will accept or not. I know, I know....easy for me to say. I haven't had to deal with Garageband, but for my entire career I've had to re-train my clients on one thing or another. Either do it or accept GarageBand files.
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Post by popmann on Mar 22, 2021 22:24:29 GMT -6
The problem you'll have convincing them to use something else, is that Garageband isn't really a DAW. It's a music creation tool. And no--it doesn't export for dick, so even if you COULD open it in your version of GB, you couldn't export from that. You've always had to open it in Logic, really.
The problem you run into with Logic is that IT requires a new version of OSX. That's literally WHY they bought it--to drive hardware sales. If you can hook them into making music with Garageband...Logic has a transitional mode where lots of stuff LOOKS like GBX....but, it stops holding your hand on a lot. It's still a DAW where GBX really isn't-move it to the Ipad and it's a COMPLETELY different app--playign drums on screen...strumming a virtual guitar,etc...I've often wanted to do that...and then open it in Logic and see WTF it looks like...but, it's a UI unlike anything labeled "DAW".
I can be persuaded to help get stuff out if you can't get it.
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