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Post by Bender on Mar 13, 2021 20:33:55 GMT -6
Off the Nebraska tangent which is semi diy- Mac demarco. 1st couple albums recorded in his bedroom. Now a days he’s got some Real expensive gear these days, but still doing it diy just more on a high end way.
But the rule broken :-You don’t need a studio/high budget to make good sounding art that has crossover potential. Maybe a mastering engineer and a good co producer/mixing engineer
I suppose the same the could be said for Elliott smith on his self titled diy cassette tape debut recorded in living in rooms/ apartments “ kill rock stars”
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Post by phantom on Mar 13, 2021 21:39:26 GMT -6
It's very well known that Finneas, the brother/producer, mixes 95% of the song. The first album was done with an Apollo Mk2, Yamahas HS5 and ATH M50, that he still uses apparently. I'm sure that last 5% is important, but I doubt it would mean much on the impact they made on the industry. They have also recorded many of the samples with a crappy handheld recorder and heavily processed it. What impact on what industry? Teeny bopper music? There have been records done in home studios where the only thing that was recorded were vocals for decades. Rappers, rockers, punks, and metalheads have been recording parts of albums at home since Porta Studios came out. Relax, Bertha. I was talking about comercial impact. Let me explain, I meant that even without the 5% that Rob Kinelski added to the final mix, Billie Eilish would probably have the same success. And yeah, you don't say that home records is a thing since a long time. I keep remembering that when I listen to Alien Lanes every week or so, lol. I was mainly correcting the other post that implied that her songs were very much mixed at a big studio. And that was not the case.
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Post by notneeson on Mar 13, 2021 21:48:43 GMT -6
The thing is, if you want to be a traditionalist and follow “the rules” you better nail it like Vincent or Dr. Dan.
Us mere mortals need our delay pedals and smoke machines.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Mar 14, 2021 8:51:28 GMT -6
Now that we've all betrayed our ages, I'm going to betray some age bias. Or not really bias so much as gap in observation. When I was in my formative musical years (high school/college of course) it seemed like there were a number of bands/artists that were breaking audio rules right from the start in such a way that became a signature. The names below stick out in my mind as having taken a maxim of music recording, thrown it out, and then made it their signature. Examples... The White StripesRule Broken? You need a bass player and guitars should be tamed, compressed, and controlled. The StrokesRule Broken? Vocals should be clear and crisp. BeckRule Broken? Drum samples and samples of all kinds are for hip hop, electronica, dance music and everything BUT rock and roll. T-PainRule Broken? Autotune should be transparent or, sometimes, used as an occasional effect (Cher). Now I know that none of these were the first to do these things. My point is that these aren't musical rules broken, they are recording and technology conventions. And my question to the RGO Hive Mind (RGOHM?) is this. Who, today, is breaking tech/audio rules to create a new signature? I'm not trying to be snarky, and I'm probably showing my age, but a lot of your examples were broken much earlier. The need of a bass player? Some of Jerry Lee Lewis first hits had no bass. Vocals should be clear and crisp? Exile on Main St. has famously low level vocals. Recording conventions have been altered, ignored are creatively twisted since the dawn of the recording age. I don't know if right now anyone is completely breaking the mold with recording. I don’t disagree that these aren’t the first to do any of these, not by a long shot. But when they came out they were known for these unconventional approaches. It was a signature.
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Post by Guitar on Mar 17, 2021 4:46:58 GMT -6
Miles Davis - every rule in Jazz with every new album, new rules being made.
Captain Beefheart - popular music doesn't have to use conventional time to sound good, but it also doesn't have to sound like The Shaggs.
Aphex Twin - probably quite a few, but one is you can make a major label album inside an iMac computer, in the '90s. Kind of funny that became sort of the norm now for "EDM" with Ableton.
Velvet Underground - lyrical content, noise / distortion content was pretty extra ordinary at the time.
Fugazi - you don't need a major label. You don't need to charge $30 for tickets and you don't need merch.
Queens of the Stone Age - crappy guitar gear can sound frickin' epic. Although yes, they use some "slutty" gear too, mainly live. White Stripes gets a nod on this rule also.
These are some ones that guide me personally. I'm particularly interested in going against the grain, killing your idols, and subverting dominant paradigms.
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Post by mrholmes on Mar 17, 2021 9:28:12 GMT -6
Which rule? Every rule needs to be broken, music theory is there to explain things, but the cool arrangements often break the rules.
In my new song there is no SD instead of this you hear a beep. Why the beep... just fitted the arrangement better it was a creative thing ... muting the SD OH yes that's much better. Everything that makes me nervous gets the mute test.... very often I am right with my nervous feeling.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Mar 17, 2021 12:29:15 GMT -6
Now that we've all betrayed our ages, I'm going to betray some age bias. Or not really bias so much as gap in observation. When I was in my formative musical years (high school/college of course) it seemed like there were a number of bands/artists that were breaking audio rules right from the start in such a way that became a signature. The names below stick out in my mind as having taken a maxim of music recording, thrown it out, and then made it their signature. Examples... The White StripesRule Broken? You need a bass player and guitars should be tamed, compressed, and controlled. The StrokesRule Broken? Vocals should be clear and crisp. BeckRule Broken? Drum samples and samples of all kinds are for hip hop, electronica, dance music and everything BUT rock and roll. T-PainRule Broken? Autotune should be transparent or, sometimes, used as an occasional effect (Cher). Now I know that none of these were the first to do these things. My point is that these aren't musical rules broken, they are recording and technology conventions. And my question to the RGO Hive Mind (RGOHM?) is this. Who, today, is breaking tech/audio rules to create a new signature? How about T-Pain WITHOUT autotune. Kind of breaking his own rule and sounding amazing. I've never seen this but I do remember figuring out that the most shocking thing about T-Pain is that he's actually a great singer. Go figure.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Mar 17, 2021 12:30:28 GMT -6
Miles Davis - every rule in Jazz with every new album, new rules being made. Captain Beefheart - popular music doesn't have to use conventional time to sound good, but it also doesn't have to sound like The Shaggs. Aphex Twin - probably quite a few, but one is you can make a major label album inside an iMac computer, in the '90s. Kind of funny that became sort of the norm now for "EDM" with Ableton. Velvet Underground - lyrical content, noise / distortion content was pretty extra ordinary at the time. Fugazi - you don't need a major label. You don't need to charge $30 for tickets and you don't need merch. Queens of the Stone Age - crappy guitar gear can sound frickin' epic. Although yes, they use some "slutty" gear too, mainly live. White Stripes gets a nod on this rule also. These are some ones that guide me personally. I'm particularly interested in going against the grain, killing your idols, and subverting dominant paradigms. I love all these guys. Great example with Fugazi driving the indie scene early on.. So who is doing this type of thing today?
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Post by chessparov on Mar 17, 2021 17:57:12 GMT -6
I never heard of that city... Springsteen, Nebraska. Is it near Lincoln Park? I'll listen to the last clip, after work. Right now, I haven't got time for T-Pain. Chris
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Post by chessparov on Mar 17, 2021 18:04:30 GMT -6
There is only one rule; if it sounds good, it’s good. And if it sounds Bad, it's James Brown. Chris
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Post by srb on Mar 17, 2021 19:04:23 GMT -6
Sherman, set the Way-Back Machine to 1965, Tacoma, Washington and listen to The Sonics. Punk before there was such a thing, and a band definitely in the habit of pegging VU meters. You probably already know this tune...
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