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Post by gravesnumber9 on Mar 12, 2021 13:29:52 GMT -6
Now that we've all betrayed our ages, I'm going to betray some age bias. Or not really bias so much as gap in observation.
When I was in my formative musical years (high school/college of course) it seemed like there were a number of bands/artists that were breaking audio rules right from the start in such a way that became a signature. The names below stick out in my mind as having taken a maxim of music recording, thrown it out, and then made it their signature.
Examples...
The White Stripes
Rule Broken? You need a bass player and guitars should be tamed, compressed, and controlled.
The Strokes
Rule Broken? Vocals should be clear and crisp.
Beck
Rule Broken? Drum samples and samples of all kinds are for hip hop, electronica, dance music and everything BUT rock and roll.
T-Pain
Rule Broken? Autotune should be transparent or, sometimes, used as an occasional effect (Cher).
Now I know that none of these were the first to do these things. My point is that these aren't musical rules broken, they are recording and technology conventions. And my question to the RGO Hive Mind (RGOHM?) is this. Who, today, is breaking tech/audio rules to create a new signature?
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Mar 12, 2021 13:31:32 GMT -6
Oh yeah one more...
Creed
Rule Broken? Rock and roll shouldn't be douchey and lame.
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Post by johneppstein on Mar 12, 2021 14:46:35 GMT -6
Now that we've all betrayed our ages, I'm going to betray some age bias. Or not really bias so much as gap in observation. When I was in my formative musical years (high school/college of course) it seemed like there were a number of bands/artists that were breaking audio rules right from the start in such a way that became a signature. The names below stick out in my mind as having taken a maxim of music recording, thrown it out, and then made it their signature. Examples... The White StripesRule Broken? You need a bass player and guitars should be tamed, compressed, and controlled. The StrokesRule Broken? Vocals should be clear and crisp. BeckRule Broken? Drum samples and samples of all kinds are for hip hop, electronica, dance music and everything BUT rock and roll. T-PainRule Broken? Autotune should be transparent or, sometimes, used as an occasional effect (Cher). Now I know that none of these were the first to do these things. My point is that these aren't musical rules broken, they are recording and technology conventions. And my question to the RGO Hive Mind (RGOHM?) is this. Who, today, is breaking tech/audio rules to create a new signature? I'd say that a predeliction for "breaking rules" just for the halibut is generally something that's common to a lot of amateurs. You have to study asnd learn what the rules are before you go breaking them. Play the music you play. If it takes off, it takes off. The big problem with the music biz these days isn't any lack of creativity. The problem is on the business end - you can't get promoted if you don't fit the cubbyhole. |
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Post by Blackdawg on Mar 12, 2021 15:29:32 GMT -6
I think the universal rule that has been broken over and over the last 10 or more years is you don't need a pro studio to have great recordings and make great music and be successful.
Case and point..
Vulfpeck
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Mar 12, 2021 16:00:37 GMT -6
I think the universal rule that has been broken over and over the last 10 or more years is you don't need a pro studio to have great recordings and make great music and be successful. Case and point.. Vulfpeck Billy Eilish comes to mind and all the bedroom pop. |
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Post by drbill on Mar 12, 2021 16:11:41 GMT -6
Break rules and make new ones.....
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Post by Blackdawg on Mar 12, 2021 16:38:49 GMT -6
I think the universal rule that has been broken over and over the last 10 or more years is you don't need a pro studio to have great recordings and make great music and be successful. Case and point.. Vulfpeck Billy Eilish comes to mind and all the bedroom pop. yeah and a ton of EDM folks too and beyond. Billy Eilish I hesitate to use though. I mean yeah they recorded it at home. But the only thing they really recorded was her voice stuff. Then a pro mixed it and a pro mastered it and a major label pushed it. So while it's a true statement, it's also kind of a smoke and mirrors statement(at least to me) as they used and were really deep in the "music machine" as it were to make it blow up like it did. Where as a band like vulfpeck literally does shit in their basement, makes their own videos, and has grown their own large audience using the tools they had. So a bit different. But yeah. ha |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Mar 12, 2021 17:31:38 GMT -6
Billy Eilish comes to mind and all the bedroom pop. yeah and a ton of EDM folks too and beyond. Billy Eilish I hesitate to use though. I mean yeah they recorded it at home. But the only thing they really recorded was her voice stuff. Then a pro mixed it and a pro mastered it and a major label pushed it. So while it's a true statement, it's also kind of a smoke and mirrors statement(at least to me) as they used and were really deep in the "music machine" as it were to make it blow up like it did. Where as a band like vulfpeck literally does shit in their basement, makes their own videos, and has grown their own large audience using the tools they had. So a bit different. But yeah. ha This is exactly what I'm looking to learn. I'll check 'em out. And the idea here is not really one of these "the old rules suck! I want to cut corners and do new thing" so much as "who is breaking new ground out there and using technology in new ways or breaking old conventions to create new ones?" Who are the Beastie Boys of today? (insert rule breaking band/artist of your choice) |
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Post by Vincent R. on Mar 12, 2021 18:27:33 GMT -6
There is only one rule; if it sounds good, it’s good.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2021 18:37:56 GMT -6
Bruce Bowen Street Fighter II jump kicked a guy in the face.
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Post by RealNoob on Mar 12, 2021 19:26:28 GMT -6
Oh yeah one more... Creed Rule Broken? Rock and roll shouldn't be douchey and lame. I thought that was Nickelback |
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Post by christopher on Mar 12, 2021 19:46:28 GMT -6
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Post by Tbone81 on Mar 12, 2021 20:02:28 GMT -6
Bruce Bowen Street Fighter II jump kicked a guy in the face. i almost coughed up the beer I was drinking...thank you for that! Lol |
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Post by ericn on Mar 12, 2021 20:12:51 GMT -6
Break rules and make new ones..... But John said no politics😎 |
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Mar 12, 2021 21:02:06 GMT -6
You can only release one album per year at MOST. Rule broken. |
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Post by superwack on Mar 12, 2021 21:15:50 GMT -6
I cannot believe a vocal effect first popularized in an adult contemporary dance track by Mutha Flippin’ Cher when she was in her mid 50’s TWO DECADES ago is still the “rule” 🙄
as a trend, it should have died and come back then gone away again at least three times and now be completely dead
It is not cool.
Please stop.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Mar 12, 2021 22:57:41 GMT -6
I cannot believe a vocal effect first popularized in an adult contemporary dance track by Mutha Flippin’ Cher when she was in her mid 50’s TWO DECADES ago is still the “rule” 🙄 as a trend, it should have died and come back then gone away again at least three times and now be completely dead It is not cool. Please stop. It is kind of mind blowing that this is still around. Although it was kind of cool when Daft Punk did it... kind of. But yeah, it's kind of like if the Chipmunk Song had spawned decades of Varispeed overuse. |
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Post by superwack on Mar 12, 2021 23:22:52 GMT -6
I cannot believe a vocal effect first popularized in an adult contemporary dance track by Mutha Flippin’ Cher when she was in her mid 50’s TWO DECADES ago is still the “rule” 🙄 as a trend, it should have died and come back then gone away again at least three times and now be completely dead It is not cool. Please stop. It is kind of mind blowing that this is still around. Although it was kind of cool when Daft Punk did it... kind of. But yeah, it's kind of like if the Chipmunk Song had spawned decades of Varispeed overuse. Daft Punk should have been the ones to briefly bring it back as an awesome homage then it should have faded away forever! |
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Post by lpedrum on Mar 13, 2021 2:06:26 GMT -6
You can only release one album per year at MOST. Rule broken. ...by The Beatles. They released 3 albums in 1965. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Mar 13, 2021 12:29:09 GMT -6
Now that we've all betrayed our ages, I'm going to betray some age bias. Or not really bias so much as gap in observation. When I was in my formative musical years (high school/college of course) it seemed like there were a number of bands/artists that were breaking audio rules right from the start in such a way that became a signature. The names below stick out in my mind as having taken a maxim of music recording, thrown it out, and then made it their signature. Examples... The White StripesRule Broken? You need a bass player and guitars should be tamed, compressed, and controlled. The StrokesRule Broken? Vocals should be clear and crisp. BeckRule Broken? Drum samples and samples of all kinds are for hip hop, electronica, dance music and everything BUT rock and roll. T-PainRule Broken? Autotune should be transparent or, sometimes, used as an occasional effect (Cher). Now I know that none of these were the first to do these things. My point is that these aren't musical rules broken, they are recording and technology conventions. And my question to the RGO Hive Mind (RGOHM?) is this. Who, today, is breaking tech/audio rules to create a new signature? How about T-Pain WITHOUT autotune. Kind of breaking his own rule and sounding amazing. |
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Post by phantom on Mar 13, 2021 18:19:15 GMT -6
Billy Eilish comes to mind and all the bedroom pop. yeah and a ton of EDM folks too and beyond. Billy Eilish I hesitate to use though. I mean yeah they recorded it at home. But the only thing they really recorded was her voice stuff. Then a pro mixed it and a pro mastered it and a major label pushed it. So while it's a true statement, it's also kind of a smoke and mirrors statement(at least to me) as they used and were really deep in the "music machine" as it were to make it blow up like it did. Where as a band like vulfpeck literally does shit in their basement, makes their own videos, and has grown their own large audience using the tools they had. So a bit different. But yeah. ha It's very well known that Finneas, the brother/producer, mixes 95% of the song. The first album was done with an Apollo Mk2, Yamahas HS5 and ATH M50, that he still uses apparently. I'm sure that last 5% is important, but I doubt it would mean much on the impact they made on the industry. They have also recorded many of the samples with a crappy handheld recorder and heavily processed it. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2021 19:21:47 GMT -6
yeah and a ton of EDM folks too and beyond. Billy Eilish I hesitate to use though. I mean yeah they recorded it at home. But the only thing they really recorded was her voice stuff. Then a pro mixed it and a pro mastered it and a major label pushed it. So while it's a true statement, it's also kind of a smoke and mirrors statement(at least to me) as they used and were really deep in the "music machine" as it were to make it blow up like it did. Where as a band like vulfpeck literally does shit in their basement, makes their own videos, and has grown their own large audience using the tools they had. So a bit different. But yeah. ha It's very well known that Finneas, the brother/producer, mixes 95% of the song. The first album was done with an Apollo Mk2, Yamahas HS5 and ATH M50, that he still uses apparently. I'm sure that last 5% is important, but I doubt it would mean much on the impact they made on the industry. They have also recorded many of the samples with a crappy handheld recorder and heavily processed it. What impact on what industry? Teeny bopper music? There have been records done in home studios where the only thing that was recorded were vocals for decades. Rappers, rockers, punks, and metalheads have been recording parts of albums at home since Porta Studios came out. |
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Post by Blackdawg on Mar 13, 2021 20:11:33 GMT -6
Yeah I mean shit, Dr Dre pretty much set the standard for Hiphop in the basement of his house in the 80s. That shit still slaps.
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Post by lpedrum on Mar 13, 2021 20:13:04 GMT -6
Now that we've all betrayed our ages, I'm going to betray some age bias. Or not really bias so much as gap in observation. When I was in my formative musical years (high school/college of course) it seemed like there were a number of bands/artists that were breaking audio rules right from the start in such a way that became a signature. The names below stick out in my mind as having taken a maxim of music recording, thrown it out, and then made it their signature. Examples... The White StripesRule Broken? You need a bass player and guitars should be tamed, compressed, and controlled. The StrokesRule Broken? Vocals should be clear and crisp. BeckRule Broken? Drum samples and samples of all kinds are for hip hop, electronica, dance music and everything BUT rock and roll. T-PainRule Broken? Autotune should be transparent or, sometimes, used as an occasional effect (Cher). Now I know that none of these were the first to do these things. My point is that these aren't musical rules broken, they are recording and technology conventions. And my question to the RGO Hive Mind (RGOHM?) is this. Who, today, is breaking tech/audio rules to create a new signature? I'm not trying to be snarky, and I'm probably showing my age, but a lot of your examples were broken much earlier. The need of a bass player? Some of Jerry Lee Lewis first hits had no bass. Vocals should be clear and crisp? Exile on Main St. has famously low level vocals. Recording conventions have been altered, ignored are creatively twisted since the dawn of the recording age. I don't know if right now anyone is completely breaking the mold with recording. |
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Post by ericn on Mar 13, 2021 20:14:38 GMT -6
Springsteen, Nebraska.
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