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Post by notneeson on Sept 20, 2021 17:12:29 GMT -6
Had a guy in with a black beauty that made me really want one for the studio.
Acrolite gets a lot of play here and our quasi house drummer has a Roger’s Dyna-Sonic that’s great as well.
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Post by bgrotto on Sept 20, 2021 20:21:56 GMT -6
5" deep supras don't do it for me; they lack the body needed to round out the reedier HF stuff. I strongly prefer the 6.5", which is the classic bonham supra depth and for me at least is my benchmark for all-purpose studio work. And, as with any instrument, it's best to play a few and pick the one that best speaks to you, because although they are pretty darn consistent, you will still usually find one outta five just pops a bit better.
As for BB options, there are a few million at this point, but in my opinion (and fwiw i own about ninety thousand snare drums), the only two that matter are an *actual* Ludwig Black Beauty (differing vintages/designs yield differing results but they're all kinda great in their respective ways) and the now-discontinued Pearl Steve Ferrone, which is the end-all/be-all of studio staple snares. That drum has won more snare shootouts than anything else in my embarrassingly-large collection.
Beyond that, I think every studio should have an Acrolite (i've outfitted mine with a big-ass 40-strand wire and it sounds fabulous0, and one good deep-ish (6.5" at minimum) wood snare, and you'll have most bases covered. If you come into a buncha money, then add a deep copper or bell brass option. Then, if you come into even more money, add a Dunnett titanium 🤣
Another good 'all arounder' option is a good Gretsch COB (or the like). I've got a Brooklyn hammered model that sounds excellent, and it beat out some vintage models i was comparing it to when deciding what to purchase, but it's worth noting that those come standard with die cast hoops which can be a dealbreaker/dealkiller on certain drums (bleck die cast rimshots 🤮), so play it a bit and make sure it's doing what it needs to do.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2021 12:56:02 GMT -6
5" deep supras don't do it for me; they lack the body needed to round out the reedier HF stuff. I strongly prefer the 6.5", which is the classic bonham supra depth and for me at least is my benchmark for all-purpose studio work. And, as with any instrument, it's best to play a few and pick the one that best speaks to you, because although they are pretty darn consistent, you will still usually find one outta five just pops a bit better. As for BB options, there are a few million at this point, but in my opinion (and fwiw i own about ninety thousand snare drums), the only two that matter are an *actual* Ludwig Black Beauty (differing vintages/designs yield differing results but they're all kinda great in their respective ways) and the now-discontinued Pearl Steve Ferrone, which is the end-all/be-all of studio staple snares. That drum has won more snare shootouts than anything else in my embarrassingly-large collection. Beyond that, I think every studio should have an Acrolite (i've outfitted mine with a big-ass 40-strand wire and it sounds fabulous0, and one good deep-ish (6.5" at minimum) wood snare, and you'll have most bases covered. If you come into a buncha money, then add a deep copper or bell brass option. Then, if you come into even more money, add a Dunnett titanium 🤣 Another good 'all arounder' option is a good Gretsch COB (or the like). I've got a Brooklyn hammered model that sounds excellent, and it beat out some vintage models i was comparing it to when deciding what to purchase, but it's worth noting that those come standard with die cast hoops which can be a dealbreaker/dealkiller on certain drums (bleck die cast rimshots 🤮), so play it a bit and make sure it's doing what it needs to do. The Ferrone model was also 6.5 inches from what I can tell... do you prefer 6.5 in a BB as well? |
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Post by bgrotto on Sept 21, 2021 13:09:49 GMT -6
5" deep supras don't do it for me; they lack the body needed to round out the reedier HF stuff. I strongly prefer the 6.5", which is the classic bonham supra depth and for me at least is my benchmark for all-purpose studio work. And, as with any instrument, it's best to play a few and pick the one that best speaks to you, because although they are pretty darn consistent, you will still usually find one outta five just pops a bit better. As for BB options, there are a few million at this point, but in my opinion (and fwiw i own about ninety thousand snare drums), the only two that matter are an *actual* Ludwig Black Beauty (differing vintages/designs yield differing results but they're all kinda great in their respective ways) and the now-discontinued Pearl Steve Ferrone, which is the end-all/be-all of studio staple snares. That drum has won more snare shootouts than anything else in my embarrassingly-large collection. Beyond that, I think every studio should have an Acrolite (i've outfitted mine with a big-ass 40-strand wire and it sounds fabulous0, and one good deep-ish (6.5" at minimum) wood snare, and you'll have most bases covered. If you come into a buncha money, then add a deep copper or bell brass option. Then, if you come into even more money, add a Dunnett titanium 🤣 Another good 'all arounder' option is a good Gretsch COB (or the like). I've got a Brooklyn hammered model that sounds excellent, and it beat out some vintage models i was comparing it to when deciding what to purchase, but it's worth noting that those come standard with die cast hoops which can be a dealbreaker/dealkiller on certain drums (bleck die cast rimshots 🤮), so play it a bit and make sure it's doing what it needs to do. The Ferrone model was also 6.5 inches from what I can tell... do you prefer 6.5 in a BB as well? Yep, the Ferrone is a 6.5. I have a few different BB variations in different depths; they all have their strengths and weaknesses, with the possible exception of that Ferrone, which for some reason just seems capable of doing anything. That's a danged special drum, and a steal considering I only paid around $300 for it. I don't know what they go for these days, but if it's still under $500 (or hell...even $700!) I would heartily recommend these as a no-brainer studio snare. |
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Post by phdamage on Sept 23, 2021 19:18:45 GMT -6
The Pearl ferrone is an awesome drum!! I sold it when I got gifted a proper black beauty from a friend, but wish I had kept it. I have a ton of snares but I’d prob grab another ferrone if I found one for a good price!
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Post by Ward on Oct 7, 2021 12:57:35 GMT -6
I came across another supraphonic for *too cheap to resist* and bought it. I'm still not in love with it though. I thought time would change my mind but it hasn't. If you need to get rid of it, let me know. I could use a spare! |
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Post by svart on Oct 7, 2021 13:05:06 GMT -6
I came across another supraphonic for *too cheap to resist* and bought it. I'm still not in love with it though. I thought time would change my mind but it hasn't. If you need to get rid of it, let me know. I could use a spare! You know, I might. Let me decide. |
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Post by marlem on Dec 1, 2021 15:03:22 GMT -6
i think the Supraphonic is way underrated, and the opposite with Black Beauty.
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Post by brenta on Dec 1, 2021 22:35:24 GMT -6
The Ferrone model was also 6.5 inches from what I can tell... do you prefer 6.5 in a BB as well? Yep, the Ferrone is a 6.5. I have a few different BB variations in different depths; they all have their strengths and weaknesses, with the possible exception of that Ferrone, which for some reason just seems capable of doing anything. That's a danged special drum, and a steal considering I only paid around $300 for it. I don't know what they go for these days, but if it's still under $500 (or hell...even $700!) I would heartily recommend these as a no-brainer studio snare. That Ferrone is similar to a Pearl Sensitone, right? Anybody played or recorded both? |
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Post by bgrotto on Dec 1, 2021 22:52:21 GMT -6
Yep, the Ferrone is a 6.5. I have a few different BB variations in different depths; they all have their strengths and weaknesses, with the possible exception of that Ferrone, which for some reason just seems capable of doing anything. That's a danged special drum, and a steal considering I only paid around $300 for it. I don't know what they go for these days, but if it's still under $500 (or hell...even $700!) I would heartily recommend these as a no-brainer studio snare. That Ferrone is similar to a Pearl Sensitone, right? Anybody played or recorded both? There's a few sensitone models -- aluminum, steel, and brass, as i recall. Maybe a bronze too. So a direct comparison would be tough, except in the case of the brass model. In any event, I've recorded several sensitones throughout the years (of varying materials) and they're good, but the Ferrone has a "thing" that is special. My favorite sensitone has been the steel model, fwiw. |
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 2, 2021 23:51:18 GMT -6
Why does a drum thread fit here? I see this thread occasionally and I’m like, WTF…i mean - I don’t care, but it seems like it would get more play on the main board.
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Post by dok on Dec 19, 2021 20:19:43 GMT -6
I compared my Acrolite to my friend's Black Beauty (both 5") in my studio a while back and got great sounds out of both of them. Cured my lust for the BB since the Acrolite was like $120? Don't have room for drums in the new place but if something ever happened to the Acrolite I'd seriously think about one of these, they look pretty rad! www.dialtunedrums.com/ |
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Post by brenta on Dec 19, 2021 20:27:39 GMT -6
Why does a drum thread fit here? I see this thread occasionally and I’m like, WTF…i mean - I don’t care, but it seems like it would get more play on the main board. Yeah I mentioned in the original post that I wasn't sure which sub-forum to post this in. I figured a drum is an instrument so I would post it where other instruments are being discussed. Feel free to move it, of course. |
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Post by svart on Dec 21, 2021 12:47:59 GMT -6
I compared my Acrolite to my friend's Black Beauty (both 5") in my studio a while back and got great sounds out of both of them. Cured my lust for the BB since the Acrolite was like $120? Don't have room for drums in the new place but if something ever happened to the Acrolite I'd seriously think about one of these, they look pretty rad! www.dialtunedrums.com/Strange. I have both and think they sound wildly different. |
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Post by dok on Dec 21, 2021 15:51:35 GMT -6
I compared my Acrolite to my friend's Black Beauty (both 5") in my studio a while back and got great sounds out of both of them. Cured my lust for the BB since the Acrolite was like $120? Don't have room for drums in the new place but if something ever happened to the Acrolite I'd seriously think about one of these, they look pretty rad! www.dialtunedrums.com/Strange. I have both and think they sound wildly different. I didn't say they sounded the same.  Just that they both sounded great. |
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Post by svart on Dec 21, 2021 15:54:23 GMT -6
Strange. I have both and think they sound wildly different. I didn't say they sounded the same. Just that they both sounded great. Ah ok. |
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Post by plinker on Jan 26, 2022 22:02:27 GMT -6
Brass is best for stage work. Aluminum for the studio.
Everything is relative though, and tastes vary.
Snare drums are mostly about the head choice anyway.
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Post by robschnapf on Jan 27, 2022 12:04:38 GMT -6
I have come into possession of a brass Noble & Cooley. It’s pretty great and friggin loud and heavy.
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Post by zonkola on Jan 28, 2022 11:47:00 GMT -6
I'm in the market for a notable recording snare. My space is smallish, but I get very serviceable sounds. (Some) metal snares have a tendency to 'overwhelm' just a skosh in my room. I'm using a Palmetto kit. It really is quite the thing in my space. Need more snare options. I'd like something relatively tight...dry... with a quicker decay...wood, preferably. Recommendations? Thanks. Honestly, as a drummer going on 30 years, recording dozens of different snares for 25 of that, the material is only 15-20% of the tone. The head choice, bevel, and overall size of the drum are the parts that really define the tone. I prefer remo emperor X heads with the CS dot with a small moongel on the logo on a 14x6.5 snare. Tune it up to between D and G and you're there. If you want really dry, try an acrolite. The thin aluminum is quite dry but I find that they're picky about the heads you choose. A black beauty is going to be loud no matter what head you choose and they're a lot less picky but the rim bevel makes them sing for days and they really need ring control. Oooh, do tell svart. I have a 1967 Acrolite and a modern BB. What heads & tuning would you suggest for each to emphasize & contrast the dry nature of the Acrolite with the more lively sound of the BB? |
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Post by zonkola on Jan 28, 2022 11:55:08 GMT -6
Why does a drum thread fit here? I see this thread occasionally and I’m like, WTF…i mean - I don’t care, but it seems like it would get more play on the main board. I have the same take as brenta— Guitar/Bass/Amps reads as more of a discussion about instruments than any of the other sub forums. |
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Post by svart on Jan 28, 2022 12:17:19 GMT -6
Honestly, as a drummer going on 30 years, recording dozens of different snares for 25 of that, the material is only 15-20% of the tone. The head choice, bevel, and overall size of the drum are the parts that really define the tone. I prefer remo emperor X heads with the CS dot with a small moongel on the logo on a 14x6.5 snare. Tune it up to between D and G and you're there. If you want really dry, try an acrolite. The thin aluminum is quite dry but I find that they're picky about the heads you choose. A black beauty is going to be loud no matter what head you choose and they're a lot less picky but the rim bevel makes them sing for days and they really need ring control. Oooh, do tell svart . I have a 1967 Acrolite and a modern BB. What heads & tuning would you suggest for each to emphasize & contrast the dry nature of the Acrolite with the more lively sound of the BB? For the BB, I like remo CS dot heads. I like the way the dots tend to round the attack a bit but don't really hold back much of the ring. If you want a LOT of ring on the BB, get the regular CS dot. If you want a lot less ring but not a totally muffled sound, get the Emperor CS dot. You can then add some half moongels at resonant points to squish it further if you want. I use a tunebot on my heads and the BB gets somewhere around 250-300hz at the lugs on the top head and 350-400 on the bottom head. The acrolyte is finicky. I've had a lot of heads on it over the years but I'm not sure what the best one is. The rounded beads tend to average out the tones of different heads. I'm a remo snare head person, but I actually prefer evans heads on everything else. |
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Post by phdamage on Feb 16, 2022 23:23:39 GMT -6
Worth looking at in this price range (if you haven’t decided by now and you’re open to other options) is a gretsch solid aluminum. Mine gets picked over some heavy hitters (bell brass, keplinger, noble & Cooley, sonor) at my studio often
It is cast and has die cast hoops. Much more controlled and projects for days
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Post by plinker on Feb 18, 2022 10:46:10 GMT -6
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Post by Ward on Feb 28, 2022 10:04:02 GMT -6
I came across another supraphonic for *too cheap to resist* and bought it. I'm still not in love with it though. I thought time would change my mind but it hasn't. Make it 'available' to an RGO sibling.  |
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Post by svart on Mar 3, 2022 10:21:36 GMT -6
I came across another supraphonic for *too cheap to resist* and bought it. I'm still not in love with it though. I thought time would change my mind but it hasn't. Make it 'available' to an RGO sibling.  I need to set it back up and play it again to make sure selling it is the right choice.. I really hate selling drums.. |
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Just that they both sounded great. 
