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Post by Guitar on Mar 16, 2021 10:40:32 GMT -6
Well even scumbags get lucky sometimes. Haha.
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Post by christopher on Mar 16, 2021 14:13:44 GMT -6
Since we are on the subject of cheap mics, I got the original Studio Projects C1 about 20 years ago (cough!) ... so I guess it’s vintage and sought after now? Haha.. I used it on EVERYTHING for a while, and after a classical piano session I was in the emergency room puking my guts out. Now, it had to be food poisoning. However.. that mic is the audio version of MSG, and when I hear it even today, I’m impressed for a few minutes before the migraine starts to come on and flashbacks to the ER. It does do a good job below 100hz, so I use it and low pass around 100-800Hz, never let myself hear it in full bandwidth for more than a few minutes a year. But I can listen to it low passed below 500hz just fine. When I get up in the mids, not so ok anymore. So for bass amp, sub kick, it gets the job done pretty well. I have also gotten pretty good results on guitar amps a few times, after a ton of ringing out the pain and weeks of tweaking the EQ in disappointment. So if a mic can give me a decent sub-kick, bass amp, and in a pinch be useful where S/N is important in a utility, well then it could be ok. I might use it for bottom toms, room mics and room corners facing away from the source, under a blanket, side of dark guitar cabs, etc.
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Post by teejay on Mar 16, 2021 14:39:41 GMT -6
Since we are on the subject of cheap mics, I got the original Studio Projects C1 about 20 years ago (cough!) ... so I guess it’s vintage and sought after now? That was my first mic, and purchased around 2002 for vocals based upon a recommendation from a friend. Actually did a Christmas project with it, and the friend helping me with the mix engineered the daylights out of it. I kept it for many years for sentimental reasons, and even tried to improve it by spending $180 to have the Mic Parts "U87" mod done to it (smart, eh?). It truly fit that proverbial definition of insanity: Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Finally gave in and sold it in late 2019...and not at any vintage price.
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Mar 16, 2021 14:49:39 GMT -6
Another vote for one voicing.
Daria - what part of Texas are you in?
Also, if you can send me a Google Doc of your website copy I can clean it up for you free of charge. My job involves marketing copy among other things, happy to do some basic grammar and syntax for a TX based entrepreneur. Good luck! (PM me if interested)
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Post by gravesnumber9 on Mar 16, 2021 14:51:28 GMT -6
Guys, Let me get your feedback on another thing. What would you think about a 500 series interface? Imagine having a 500 series interface in your rack. Imagine if we could get transformers in there as well. I think with the way technology is moving forward there is great opportunities for new concepts to be realized. Any thoughts you guys have let me know and I will notch them all down to see what is possible. Do you mean a 500 series rack/interface like the Cranborne R8, or like an interface built into a 500 series module like the Wesaudio Calypso? I think Cranborne’s R8 is a brilliant idea. But I’m set interface-wise and I’m so deep into the UAD ecosystem rabbit hole that I don’t know if I can find my way out at this point. But I might pick up the Cranborne 500ADAT at some point. The Calypso never appealed to me. For one thing, too many wires coming out the front of my 500 rack. I'm all in on UAD too and, man... can't you just envision that 500ADAT connected into your Apollo? The mind boggles.
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Post by Vincent R. on Mar 16, 2021 17:33:00 GMT -6
Since we are on the subject of cheap mics, I got the original Studio Projects C1 about 20 years ago (cough!) ... so I guess it’s vintage and sought after now? Haha.. I used it on EVERYTHING for a while, and after a classical piano session I was in the emergency room puking my guts out. Now, it had to be food poisoning. However.. that mic is the audio version of MSG, and when I hear it even today, I’m impressed for a few minutes before the migraine starts to come on and flashbacks to the ER. It does do a good job below 100hz, so I use it and low pass around 100-800Hz, never let myself hear it in full bandwidth for more than a few minutes a year. But I can listen to it low passed below 500hz just fine. When I get up in the mids, not so ok anymore. So for bass amp, sub kick, it gets the job done pretty well. I have also gotten pretty good results on guitar amps a few times, after a ton of ringing out the pain and weeks of tweaking the EQ in disappointment. So if a mic can give me a decent sub-kick, bass amp, and in a pinch be useful where S/N is important in a utility, well then it could be ok. I might use it for bottom toms, room mics and room corners facing away from the source, under a blanket, side of dark guitar cabs, etc. Mod it... microphone-parts.com/collections/mod-kits/products/studio-projects-c1-circuit-upgrade-kitYou can hear the mod here:
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Post by dariamicrophones on Mar 16, 2021 19:04:48 GMT -6
Another vote for one voicing. Daria - what part of Texas are you in? Also, if you can send me a Google Doc of your website copy I can clean it up for you free of charge. My job involves marketing copy among other things, happy to do some basic grammar and syntax for a TX based entrepreneur. Good luck! (PM me if interested) Dallas, TX -No Cowboys fan here though, I'm 100% a KC Chiefs guy haha!) Thanks I appreciate that. I have lots more content for the website coming up over the next few months. Waiting to get our second model going and at some point I will be reaching out. Pretty stoked about the capsules I'm working to get in soon. Are you in Texas? Shoot me a PM. Thanks!
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Post by ericn on Mar 16, 2021 19:08:49 GMT -6
Another vote for one voicing. Daria - what part of Texas are you in? Also, if you can send me a Google Doc of your website copy I can clean it up for you free of charge. My job involves marketing copy among other things, happy to do some basic grammar and syntax for a TX based entrepreneur. Good luck! (PM me if interested) Dallas, TX -No Cowboys fan here though, I'm 100% a KC Chiefs guy haha!) Thanks I appreciate that. I have lots more content for the website coming up over the next few months. Waiting to get our second model going and at some point I will be reaching out. Pretty stoked about the capsules I'm working to get in soon. Are you in Texas? Shoot me a PM. Thanks! And I ran into Travis Kelsey on my way home from breakfast this morning.
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Post by christopher on Mar 16, 2021 19:09:21 GMT -6
That's a good point Vincent, your voice sounds incredible on Granada, man, I love that track! I really should just pull the trigger, I don't know what I'm waiting for LOL! But it also kind of shows where Daria can possibly have a nice product. The original C1 is crazy bright, and after the mod you can tell its much, much improved. I'm kind of curious if the Daria @299 will be as good/better than a modded C1? Hmm...
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Post by dariamicrophones on Mar 16, 2021 19:13:03 GMT -6
Dallas, TX -No Cowboys fan here though, I'm 100% a KC Chiefs guy haha!) Thanks I appreciate that. I have lots more content for the website coming up over the next few months. Waiting to get our second model going and at some point I will be reaching out. Pretty stoked about the capsules I'm working to get in soon. Are you in Texas? Shoot me a PM. Thanks! And I ran into Travis Kelsey on my way home from breakfast this morning. That is awesome! Kelce is one of my all time favorite players. Team should be in contention for a pretty long time w/the current roster. Still can't believe we got Mahomes.
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Post by gwlee7 on Mar 16, 2021 20:34:52 GMT -6
Another vote for one voicing. Daria - what part of Texas are you in? Also, if you can send me a Google Doc of your website copy I can clean it up for you free of charge. My job involves marketing copy among other things, happy to do some basic grammar and syntax for a TX based entrepreneur. Good luck! (PM me if interested) Dallas, TX -No Cowboys fan here though, I'm 100% a KC Chiefs guy haha!) Thanks I appreciate that. I have lots more content for the website coming up over the next few months. Waiting to get our second model going and at some point I will be reaching out. Pretty stoked about the capsules I'm working to get in soon. Are you in Texas? Shoot me a PM. Thanks! I am In Lewisville. There are a few RGO folks in the DFW area. I wish you well in this venture.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 16, 2021 21:25:48 GMT -6
Since we are on the subject of cheap mics, I got the original Studio Projects C1 about 20 years ago (cough!) ... so I guess it’s vintage and sought after now? Haha.. I used it on EVERYTHING for a while, and after a classical piano session I was in the emergency room puking my guts out. Now, it had to be food poisoning. However.. that mic is the audio version of MSG, and when I hear it even today, I’m impressed for a few minutes before the migraine starts to come on and flashbacks to the ER. It does do a good job below 100hz, so I use it and low pass around 100-800Hz, never let myself hear it in full bandwidth for more than a few minutes a year. But I can listen to it low passed below 500hz just fine. When I get up in the mids, not so ok anymore. So for bass amp, sub kick, it gets the job done pretty well. I have also gotten pretty good results on guitar amps a few times, after a ton of ringing out the pain and weeks of tweaking the EQ in disappointment. So if a mic can give me a decent sub-kick, bass amp, and in a pinch be useful where S/N is important in a utility, well then it could be ok. I might use it for bottom toms, room mics and room corners facing away from the source, under a blanket, side of dark guitar cabs, etc. One of my first mics. I think you’re actually being serious about low passing the entire upper spectrum lol - that’s a lot of work to avoid that Chinese zing.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 16, 2021 21:37:34 GMT -6
So I sang through the Daria. And seriously - it’s nicely done. Christopher mentioned above about the qualities of different frequencies in capsules…and that’s how I really determine what I think about a mic. What does 1khz up sound like when I HP up to that point. I’ve used so, so many mics that you think sound pretty decent at full bandwidth completely collapse when you start digging out any lower mids/bottom. Then the horror show of the mids are exposed. There doesn’t seem to be any major gaffs like that in this mic. It also doesn’t “zing.” It doesn’t freak out and pinch when you really lay into it. This mic doesn’t seem like it was designed with extra brightness, it seems like it achieves that by cutting out some of the low end. It’s like it’s pre mixed. Now - personally - I like to have that low end for my voice…but to be as honest as I can be, this mic exceeded my expectation. It’s really exactly as described - a modern sounding mic that fits in modern radio production.
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Post by dariamicrophones on Mar 16, 2021 22:09:01 GMT -6
Dallas, TX -No Cowboys fan here though, I'm 100% a KC Chiefs guy haha!) Thanks I appreciate that. I have lots more content for the website coming up over the next few months. Waiting to get our second model going and at some point I will be reaching out. Pretty stoked about the capsules I'm working to get in soon. Are you in Texas? Shoot me a PM. Thanks! I am In Lewisville. There are a few RGO folks in the DFW area. I wish you well in this venture. Greg that is awesome! Appreciate the support. I travel through Lewisville for work at times. Working on prototypes for Modern II and Modern III right now for down the road. I typically test in my studio which is loaded with GIK traps but I'm probably gonna start bringing these into local studios in a few months to get other engineers/producers hands on opinions. Let me know if you want an invite and you will be more than welcome to join in on the listening/feedback party! I am also working to test some rectangle elements if I can get the price right (like in the AT5040) Pretty excited about that.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 16, 2021 22:13:41 GMT -6
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Post by seawell on Mar 16, 2021 22:52:53 GMT -6
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Post by recordingengineer on Mar 17, 2021 0:01:57 GMT -6
I am also working to test some rectangle elements if I can get the price right (like in the AT5040) Pretty excited about that. Now that excites me! I’d try that instantly.
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Post by ab101 on Mar 17, 2021 0:33:51 GMT -6
Thank you Daria Microphones for putting a banner on this board.
I really appreciate your appearance here and responsiveness.
Other than vocals, what is your next best recommendation for its use? Also, I am assuming it is a cardioid cap only. Anymore information on the directionality and off-axis response is appreciated.
And any information on the signal to noise ratio is also appreciated.
Thank you.
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Post by javamad on Mar 17, 2021 5:23:47 GMT -6
I would be wary of a mic that is overly ‘bright’ but at this price point if it sounds good on certain sources 10% of the time it could be a good tool to have.
I also agree with Dr. Bills comment about being able to add EQ later, when the rest of the project it there so if its excessively bright you can find yourself in trouble.
As for a switch for voicings ... maybe a tilt EQ with bright, flat and dark positions ... could make the mic more versatile?
For the likely target market and budget, a versatile mic is like having many mics so the price makes even more sense.
How does the current model handle sibilance? Thats the achilles heel of so many budget(and not so budget) mics ..
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Post by dariamicrophones on Mar 17, 2021 11:52:07 GMT -6
Thank you Daria Microphones for putting a banner on this board. I really appreciate your appearance here and responsiveness. Other than vocals, what is your next best recommendation for its use? Also, I am assuming it is a cardioid cap only. Anymore information on the directionality and off-axis response is appreciated. And any information on the signal to noise ratio is also appreciated. Thank you. Hey no problem! If you ever have a question or need detailed specs I can also be reached directly info@dariamicrophones.com. I get those notifications pretty quick. I'll be traveling throughout the week for work and will try my best to respond to anything posted in this thread! Cardioid only-no switches, no pads, keeping the costs down and keeping the signal as pure as possible. That is also another reason I am tinkering with possible voice switching-I think I could get a model in like that if the demand was high enough but I do like the purest approach(ala TLM102, ala AT5040) others have pointed out here that the switches could go bad years down the road and alter the mics performance so I am taking that feedback into consideration. One of the capsule makers I am talking to right now is an expert at high quality voice switching tech so I would be confident in it standing the test of time. So we shall see. The table is open for future models. I do think, if I ever produce a dynamic microphone-I will look to make a really beautiful aesthetic with an all white body and a hypercard polar pattern. I just think the world of my Audix om5 so it would most likely be my inspiration.
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Post by dariamicrophones on Mar 17, 2021 12:06:52 GMT -6
I would be wary of a mic that is overly ‘bright’ but at this price point if it sounds good on certain sources 10% of the time it could be a good tool to have. I also agree with Dr. Bills comment about being able to add EQ later, when the rest of the project it there so if its excessively bright you can find yourself in trouble. As for a switch for voicings ... maybe a tilt EQ with bright, flat and dark positions ... could make the mic more versatile? For the likely target market and budget, a versatile mice is like having many mics so the price makes even more sense. How does the current model handle sibilance? Thats the achilles heel of so many budget(and not so budget) mics .. So that is what I am really happy about. I love how it handles sibilance-what is funny-you guys may laugh at this and some of the real OG's will know about this- But there used to be a program back in 2002 called Cool Edit Pro (It was later purchased by Adobe, revised and is now known as Adobe Audition) Well, just like Jaycen Joshua still goes to a 2004 version of Ozone (Ozone 4 I believe) because of its algorithms, and just like some of the best engineers use 'LoFi' in PT(I think it has been forever since its algo has been revised) There is a handful of effects in Cool Edit Pro that are still to this day-imo-the best. Aside from the world class wave editor, the reverb and the De-Esser in the Dynamics Processing of Cool Edit is just outstanding. So when I was testing diff mics and comparing to my favs-one test would always be if I needed to use the CE De-Esser and what effect it would have. The moment I knew I loved the Daria Model I is when I didn't have to coat the signal with the CE De-Esser! Even while many consider microphone technology a matured technology in some senses-there is still lots of room for innovation. And maybe innovation in the sense of presenting not so common norms(ie rectangle elements) and making them available to the masses.
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Post by ericn on Mar 17, 2021 16:19:10 GMT -6
Thank you Daria Microphones for putting a banner on this board. I really appreciate your appearance here and responsiveness. Other than vocals, what is your next best recommendation for its use? Also, I am assuming it is a cardioid cap only. Anymore information on the directionality and off-axis response is appreciated. And any information on the signal to noise ratio is also appreciated. Thank you. Hey no problem! If you ever have a question or need detailed specs I can also be reached directly info@dariamicrophones.com. I get those notifications pretty quick. I'll be traveling throughout the week for work and will try my best to respond to anything posted in this thread! Cardioid only-no switches, no pads, keeping the costs down and keeping the signal as pure as possible. That is also another reason I am tinkering with possible voice switching-I think I could get a model in like that if the demand was high enough but I do like the purest approach(ala TLM102, ala AT5040) others have pointed out here that the switches could go bad years down the road and alter the mics performance so I am taking that feedback into consideration. One of the capsule makers I am talking to right now is an expert at high quality voice switching tech so I would be confident in it standing the test of time. So we shall see. The table is open for future models. I do think, if I ever produce a dynamic microphone-I will look to make a really beautiful aesthetic with an all white body and a hypercard polar pattern. I just think the world of my Audix om5 so it would most likely be my inspiration. 2 things first remember voicing is just an EQ circuit everybody has far more comprehensive in their DAW. Second the secret sauce in the Audix OM series is that they are designed to be Transformer less from the start, not adapted from some OEM cartridge.
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Post by chessparov on Mar 17, 2021 17:37:42 GMT -6
I used to have the OM5, it was a cool stage mic. Chris
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Post by javamad on Mar 18, 2021 14:17:39 GMT -6
I would be wary of a mic that is overly ‘bright’ but at this price point if it sounds good on certain sources 10% of the time it could be a good tool to have. I also agree with Dr. Bills comment about being able to add EQ later, when the rest of the project it there so if its excessively bright you can find yourself in trouble. As for a switch for voicings ... maybe a tilt EQ with bright, flat and dark positions ... could make the mic more versatile? For the likely target market and budget, a versatile mice is like having many mics so the price makes even more sense. How does the current model handle sibilance? Thats the achilles heel of so many budget(and not so budget) mics .. So that is what I am really happy about. I love how it handles sibilance-what is funny-you guys may laugh at this and some of the real OG's will know about this- But there used to be a program back in 2002 called Cool Edit Pro (It was later purchased by Adobe, revised and is now known as Adobe Audition) Well, just like Jaycen Joshua still goes to a 2004 version of Ozone (Ozone 4 I believe) because of its algorithms, and just like some of the best engineers use 'LoFi' in PT(I think it has been forever since its algo has been revised) There is a handful of effects in Cool Edit Pro that are still to this day-imo-the best. Aside from the world class wave editor, the reverb and the De-Esser in the Dynamics Processing of Cool Edit is just outstanding. So when I was testing diff mics and comparing to my favs-one test would always be if I needed to use the CE De-Esser and what effect it would have. The moment I knew I loved the Daria Model I is when I didn't have to coat the signal with the CE De-Esser! Even while many consider microphone technology a matured technology in some senses-there is still lots of room for innovation. And maybe innovation in the sense of presenting not so common norms(ie rectangle elements) and making them available to the masses. Ha! .. I remember Cool Edit Pro ... those were simpler times! :-)
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Post by drumsound on Mar 18, 2021 15:28:42 GMT -6
So that is what I am really happy about. I love how it handles sibilance-what is funny-you guys may laugh at this and some of the real OG's will know about this- But there used to be a program back in 2002 called Cool Edit Pro (It was later purchased by Adobe, revised and is now known as Adobe Audition) Well, just like Jaycen Joshua still goes to a 2004 version of Ozone (Ozone 4 I believe) because of its algorithms, and just like some of the best engineers use 'LoFi' in PT(I think it has been forever since its algo has been revised) There is a handful of effects in Cool Edit Pro that are still to this day-imo-the best. Aside from the world class wave editor, the reverb and the De-Esser in the Dynamics Processing of Cool Edit is just outstanding. So when I was testing diff mics and comparing to my favs-one test would always be if I needed to use the CE De-Esser and what effect it would have. The moment I knew I loved the Daria Model I is when I didn't have to coat the signal with the CE De-Esser! Even while many consider microphone technology a matured technology in some senses-there is still lots of room for innovation. And maybe innovation in the sense of presenting not so common norms(ie rectangle elements) and making them available to the masses. Ha! .. I remember Cool Edit Pro ... those were simpler times! :-) Indeed. My buddy was in before it was Pro, when it was a full functioning BETA and just called Cool Edit. I had the first paid version and used it for mastering for years. I even recorded a dance percussion record (with just one mic) in my house with CEP. I believe I had to request the printed manual, it was one of the first things I'd encountered with just a PDF manual.
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