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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 7, 2021 11:12:30 GMT -6
Looks like they’ve moved to a subscription model at $25 per month. That’s completely ridiculous. It’s a bummer because I really like their products, but I’ll just keep using the one I bought or start using different options.
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Post by Guitar on Mar 7, 2021 11:17:36 GMT -6
Looks like licenses are being blown out right now, for example Total Balance Bundle crossgrade from any paid product for $199, that's pretty tempting.
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Post by tasteliketape on Mar 7, 2021 11:34:02 GMT -6
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Post by srb on Mar 7, 2021 12:17:23 GMT -6
Am I in the minority on subscription models?
I don't want to head down that road, if I can help it.
I've used a lot of Izotope software over the years, and I like them a lot.
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Post by nick8801 on Mar 7, 2021 12:20:42 GMT -6
This sucks. I have a lot of izotope stuff. 25 a month is steep. I’ll stick with what I already own. It works fine.
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Post by the other mark williams on Mar 7, 2021 12:24:42 GMT -6
I poked around their site for a few minutes but couldn't find an answer to this: What's the situation going to be once they start the subscription membership thing? Will they continue putting out paid versions of future product lines (e.g., Ozone 10, RX 9, etc.)? Or will it be ALL subscription? Is there going to be a paid version of any of those with native compatibility for Apple Silicon? I own several iZotope products, but I'm wondering if I'm going to be EOL'd here.
I have always found iZotope to be very confusing when it comes to their product line.
And for real, I hate these damn subscriptions. I understand why software companies like them, but as a consumer, I despise them.
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Post by the other mark williams on Mar 7, 2021 12:45:47 GMT -6
[Sorry, more negative energy to get out] :
And seriously, "Ozone Pro"??
So does that mean the version of Ozone I use isn't actually a professional tool after all? Damn, wish I'd known that before I bought it.
Or does it maybe mean that if I use Ozone Advanced instead of Ozone Pro, that I'm no longer allowed to call myself a Pro? Yikes, maybe it's time to just stop using iZotope altogether, then?
Also, as an aside, I'm so tired of listening to podcasts or talk radio where the AE overused RX noise reduction or RX de-reverb. Maybe on the "Pro" versions of their apps, they could have a popup window that says:
Or maybe even:
All right, I feel a little better having said that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2021 13:16:11 GMT -6
Izotope is weird. There are functions and features that are awesome and others sound and measure like crap inside the same programs. They don’t cull them out or improve them. The subcription will just encourage them to add more stuff.
Subscriptions for plugins just seem to be bad for the customer but great for the bottom line. Compare all of the subs to Fabfilter, Waves Renaissance, Tokyo Dawn, Sound Radix, and Sonnox Oxford bundles. The subs seem pathetic in comparison because almost everything in the utility bundles is brilliant and has a real world use. You will use on everything.
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Post by Guitar on Mar 7, 2021 13:18:47 GMT -6
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Post by superwack on Mar 7, 2021 13:21:09 GMT -6
I love iZotope stuff but I kind of think the company is a mess. They obviously have super modern, futuristic software that does amazing things but the more they expand, the more I get the feeling behind the scenes the wheels are coming off. They bought exponential 2 years ago and still haven’t incorporated those products in to their installer or even their main download page, when I go to the customer loyalty offers, not only are the offers considerably more expensive than the prices available elsewhere but they offer me upgrades or crossgrades to products I already own! The RX updater assistant crashes every time it opens (with the message it crashed last time, do you want to open it? I choose no and it still opens and crashes!) when I run the software center to install updates it always asks me to authorize - somehow not knowing the product IS registered/authorized and gives no option to cancel but, of course, it fails registering because it’s already registered! 🤨
I have absolutely NO issue with any of their actual software all of it works great - it’s just the infrastructure that seems jacked up.
( I too hate subscriptions and won’t be subscribing)
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 7, 2021 13:48:34 GMT -6
I’ll often use the computer learning thing to get a master started. Usually the eq is all wrong, but it does a decent job with the dynamic eq. Then the limiter I adjust or either replace. What I really love is the Tonal Balance thing - but obviously I can still use that and all the stuff I already have. Might be fun to rethink my last-step mastering.
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Post by srb on Mar 7, 2021 13:56:29 GMT -6
I always have trouble finding what my upgrade price is for something I own.
Ozone (latest version...I think) has been a little buggy on my Windows 10 machine. Most especially as a plugin in Wavelab.
I wrote support and their rather brusque answer was to "run it as an administrator"; which I did, and it did not help.
And they'll send a brother some email to sell him something.
I won't unsubcribe because I'm afraid I might miss an update.
Welp, looks like that may no longer be a concern.
:eyeroll:
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Post by mrholmes on Mar 7, 2021 16:01:29 GMT -6
To bad, I was about to upgrade to Ozone-Pro not for 25 bucks a month NO, THANK YOU SIR.... I had the Slate sub-plan for about 2 years and in the end I had too many plugs and no interest to use them all. Plus the total annoying Spam Mails by Slate... JESUS I am so happy to be free from this BS.
In other words subscriptions plans work as long I need new plugs but who needs a million plug ins - not me. I can do great with what I have.
As long a one-man show like Fuse Labs Shows where the benchmark is. I have way more sympathies to support him - in case he gets in trouble - compared to buy a sub-plan which I do not need.
To me, it was given that developers get in trouble when the plugs sound as good as hardware. Now they see they won't sell the same plugs over and over again MKII versions etc. Plus many people drop out now in the pandemic because the governments do not hurry up with the vaccine.
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Post by the other mark williams on Mar 7, 2021 17:45:56 GMT -6
I’ll often use the computer learning thing to get a master started. Usually the eq is all wrong, but it does a decent job with the dynamic eq. Then the limiter I adjust or either replace. What I really love is the Tonal Balance thing - but obviously I can still use that and all the stuff I already have. Might be fun to rethink my last-step mastering. Well, once you (eventually) move to an ARM Mac, you gotta hope the versions of Ozone and RX that you own work OK under Rosetta. And Apple may not keep Rosetta in the codebase forever. If iZotope really wants to push all of us into a subscription, they don't have any incentive to give us paid versions of their products (as opposed to rental policy versions) that work on ARM processors.
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Post by the other mark williams on Mar 7, 2021 17:47:28 GMT -6
I love iZotope stuff but I kind of think the company is a mess. They obviously have super modern, futuristic software that does amazing things but the more they expand, the more I get the feeling behind the scenes the wheels are coming off. They bought exponential 2 years ago and still haven’t incorporated those products in to their installer or even their main download page, when I go to the customer loyalty offers, not only are the offers considerably more expensive than the prices available elsewhere but they offer me upgrades or crossgrades to products I already own! The RX updater assistant crashes every time it opens (with the message it crashed last time, do you want to open it? I choose no and it still opens and crashes!) when I run the software center to install updates it always asks me to authorize - somehow not knowing the product IS registered/authorized and gives no option to cancel but, of course, it fails registering because it’s already registered! 🤨 I have absolutely NO issue with any of their actual software all of it works great - it’s just the infrastructure that seems jacked up. ( I too hate subscriptions and won’t be subscribing) And add to that the login process on their website. It's a two-step (two screen) process that never remembers me, and logs me out automatically after like 2.5 mins.
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Post by wiz on Mar 7, 2021 17:57:14 GMT -6
faaaaarkkkkk!
I use some of the plugs on EVERY mix....
this blows
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Post by seawell on Mar 7, 2021 18:04:00 GMT -6
I’m about a week away from my last subscription running out(Slate) and I have zero plans to get back into any. I gave it a good run for a few years but I don’t like the subscription model at all.
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Post by the other mark williams on Mar 7, 2021 18:14:15 GMT -6
In reading the FAQ that Guitar posted, it's still not entirely clear: Is iZotope going to release fully-paid-for versions in the future? Like will there eventually be an Ozone 10 that you can buy outright? Or an RX 9? Or will it all be subscription-only going forward? I can't find a clear answer to that question.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 7, 2021 18:15:43 GMT -6
Time to change the way I work.
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Post by ericn on Mar 7, 2021 18:28:59 GMT -6
I’ll often use the computer learning thing to get a master started. Usually the eq is all wrong, but it does a decent job with the dynamic eq. Then the limiter I adjust or either replace. What I really love is the Tonal Balance thing - but obviously I can still use that and all the stuff I already have. Might be fun to rethink my last-step mastering. Well, once you (eventually) move to an ARM Mac, you gotta hope the versions of Ozone and RX that you own work OK under Rosetta. And Apple may not keep Rosetta in the codebase forever. If iZotope really wants to push all of us into a subscription, they don't have any incentive to give us paid versions of their products (as opposed to rental policy versions) that work on ARM processors. Mark nailed it. This would scare the hell out of me if I were to buy any of their products in the future.
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Post by superwack on Mar 7, 2021 18:31:05 GMT -6
In reading the FAQ that Guitar posted, it's still not entirely clear: Is iZotope going to release fully-paid-for versions in the future? Like will there eventually be an Ozone 10 that you can buy outright? Or an RX 9? Or will it all be subscription-only going forward? I can't find a clear answer to that question. www.izotope.com/en/membership-comparison.html "over time, the Pro [subscription] versions will start getting updates that will not be available in the non-subscription versions of the products." Doesn’t sound promising but maybe they are leaving themselves wiggle room to deal with customer revolt? If iZotope’s roll-out of Catalina support for past products is any indication I would not assume you will be able to use anything older than the next version on ARM M1 Macs. When they released RX7 they eventually released an RX6 that is, theoretically, Catalina compatible (I need it for a client who is stuck on RX6) but it’s a BETA and you have to trick Catalina in to installing and certain modules crash pro tools as soon as they are selected so...
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Post by wiz on Mar 7, 2021 19:15:28 GMT -6
I hope we get Big Sur and M1 Compatabiltiy.....
I would have to look else where for noise reduction, and click removal... I suppose I would go back to WAVE ARTS, which I used to use before Izotope stuff....
which would be okay... its alright I have settled down now...
breathe Wiz Breathe
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Cheers
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2021 19:44:16 GMT -6
Well, once you (eventually) move to an ARM Mac, you gotta hope the versions of Ozone and RX that you own work OK under Rosetta. And Apple may not keep Rosetta in the codebase forever. If iZotope really wants to push all of us into a subscription, they don't have any incentive to give us paid versions of their products (as opposed to rental policy versions) that work on ARM processors. Mark nailed it. This would scare the hell out of me if I were to buy any of their products in the future. I’m so glad I was a poor bastard and used VladG’s Limiter 6 before getting converted to his Tokyo Dawn plugs. This is worse than Waves Update Plan.
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Post by christopher on Mar 7, 2021 20:30:26 GMT -6
RX seems super cool but I wonder if most of it is just gates, expanders and compressers in spectral editing? Even if it’s not, manual mode Spectral editing might be very useful.
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Post by the other mark williams on Mar 7, 2021 21:38:26 GMT -6
I hope we get Big Sur and M1 Compatabiltiy..... I would have to look else where for noise reduction, and click removal... I suppose I would go back to WAVE ARTS, which I used to use before Izotope stuff.... which would be okay... its alright I have settled down now... breathe Wiz Breathe 8) Cheers Hahahahahaha - nice reminder on the breathing. Thanks for that, Wiz. Funny you mention Wave Arts. I bought FinalPlug 5 from them back in 2008. It has always worked perfectly until my new setup. I upgraded it to Version 6 two nights ago for USD $36.43. That means it worked for 13 YEARS. And then all I had to do was pay 36 bucks to get it back. That's incredible in my book. Really excellent.
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