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Post by ab101 on Mar 5, 2021 16:01:55 GMT -6
Hi friends: Assume I only want an eq plugin for HPF. What would be the cleanest and most effective plugin eq for this purpose? Is it the crave discussed in another thread here, or is it a different eq. The idea is to have the HPF and have everything else unaffected, at least as much as possible.
Thank you in advance.
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Post by tkaitkai on Mar 5, 2021 16:11:08 GMT -6
My favorite software HPFs are Britson and Satson from Sonimus, by far. Both incredibly musical and lightning fast. The 12dB/oct switch on Satson gives you a lot of flexibility.
Another really cool one is Mellowmuse EQ1A. It goes from 0 to 100 a little too quick, but you can do a lot of cool things with it. Plus it's free.
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Post by mhbunch on Mar 5, 2021 17:23:04 GMT -6
My favorite software HPFs are Britson and Satson from Sonimus, by far. Both incredibly musical and lightning fast. The 12dB/oct switch on Satson gives you a lot of flexibility. Another really cool one is Mellowmuse EQ1A. It goes from 0 to 100 a little too quick, but you can do a lot of cool things with it. Plus it's free. Britson filters are incredible.
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Post by Blackdawg on Mar 5, 2021 17:38:35 GMT -6
ChopShop plugin from Louder than Liftoff.
Or the Waves SSL EQ, I really like the SSL HPF.
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Post by nick8801 on Mar 5, 2021 17:55:54 GMT -6
I like neutron’s hp filter. They give you various slope options and it’s super transparent.
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Post by ragan on Mar 5, 2021 18:58:00 GMT -6
I liked the filters (and the EQ in general) on the UAD Harrison so much that I bought a pair of the Great River hardware units. My favorite filters, particularly the HPF.
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Post by Ward on Mar 5, 2021 19:06:40 GMT -6
The stock single band EQ in Pro Tools works marvellously as a HPF with great controls.
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Post by drbill on Mar 5, 2021 20:05:56 GMT -6
ChopShop plugin from Louder than Liftoff. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ The resonant tweaking for bump is killer. First go to EQ on my list.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2021 9:35:47 GMT -6
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Post by drumsound on Mar 6, 2021 11:40:28 GMT -6
The stock single band EQ in Pro Tools works marvellously as a HPF with great controls. I use this a lot. Sometimes I'll make it a LPF and find where the track really "begins" from a frequency POV and the just flip it to HPF. I also really like the free BX filter.
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Post by popmann on Mar 6, 2021 12:28:50 GMT -6
I liked the filters (and the EQ in general) on the UAD Harrison so much that I bought a pair of the Great River hardware units. My favorite filters, particularly the HPF. They might be your fave because it ALSO engages a LPF. Just saying that because apparently people can't overtly hear that. Certainly not at single rate. But, it still might be facotring into why you liked the "HPF" on the Harrison most. It's why HPF'ing is the only thing I DON'T use on the 32c.
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Post by Guitar on Mar 6, 2021 12:57:30 GMT -6
You could use the free Pultec style filters from Black Rooster, too, if you want something a little different.
Usually just whatever channel strip I'm using, or my Toneboosters EQ4 digital parametric EQ gets the job done.
On a master bus maybe sometimes something else, PSP Master Q2, Dangerous BAX, Bettermaker, things like that.
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Post by ragan on Mar 6, 2021 13:15:49 GMT -6
I liked the filters (and the EQ in general) on the UAD Harrison so much that I bought a pair of the Great River hardware units. My favorite filters, particularly the HPF. They might be your fave because it ALSO engages a LPF. Just saying that because apparently people can't overtly hear that. Certainly not at single rate. But, it still might be facotring into why you liked the "HPF" on the Harrison most. It's why HPF'ing is the only thing I DON'T use on the 32c. Interesting. Yeah I just checked on the GR hardware and it's true, engaging the filters does have a LPF cutoff point, though it's above the audible band, barely. I didn't measure but the cutoff looks like it's just above 20kHz. On the hardware, it's a single button to engage both LPF and HPF so I can't isolate which filter is responsible for it. Interesting to note, but it's not gonna be audible I don't think. Either way, it's definitely the slope and resonance of the Harrison HPF that I dig. It's got a unique sound to it. I also love the rest of the EQ. I use mine in the "vintage" mode (negative feedback, internal jumper select) which has a bit more color to it. Edit: I should say too, you can definitely hear the effect of engaging the filter and EQ sections. There’s a tonal difference. I just mean I’m not hearing the fact that it’s 5dB down at 22kHz or whatever.
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Post by mcirish on Mar 6, 2021 16:24:24 GMT -6
Not sure about best but I use bx_cleansweep on most channels. I think it's only 6 dB/octave. Gentle and it works. So many other options though.
For the OP, Crave can handle that just fine too.
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Post by mrholmes on Mar 6, 2021 17:49:04 GMT -6
Hi friends: Assume I only want an eq plugin for HPF. What would be the cleanest and most effective plugin eq for this purpose? Is it the crave discussed in another thread here, or is it a different eq. The idea is to have the HPF and have everything else unaffected, at least as much as possible. Thank you in advance. TDR Nova and its for free. The best of it is you can kill everything with a 72 db slobe and the filter is not ringing or doing other unwanted things I love it. For non special tasks it’s the SSL filter or logic stock EQ.
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Post by popmann on Mar 6, 2021 18:39:26 GMT -6
They might be your fave because it ALSO engages a LPF. Just saying that because apparently people can't overtly hear that. Certainly not at single rate. But, it still might be facotring into why you liked the "HPF" on the Harrison most. It's why HPF'ing is the only thing I DON'T use on the 32c. Interesting. Yeah I just checked on the GR hardware and it's true, engaging the filters does have a LPF cutoff point, though it's above the audible band, barely. I didn't measure but the cutoff looks like it's just above 20kHz. On the hardware, it's a single button to engage both LPF and HPF so I can't isolate which filter is responsible for it. Interesting to note, but it's not gonna be audible I don't think. Either way, it's definitely the slope and resonance of the Harrison HPF that I dig. It's got a unique sound to it. I also love the rest of the EQ. I use mine in the "vintage" mode (negative feedback, internal jumper select) which has a bit more color to it. Edit: I should say too, you can definitely hear the effect of engaging the filter and EQ sections. There’s a tonal difference. I just mean I’m not hearing the fact that it’s 5dB down at 22kHz or whatever. I literally asked Harrison if this was happening because it sounded like it. So, it's audible. At least in HD where you don't have another LPF right above it. There's a tonal difference in engaging the EQ section. I think it's positive. First thing I DO in Mixbus as I'm importing tracks and routing them is turn all the EQs on. Not the filters, though. I assume it's the equivalent of "vintage mode"--since it's a component level model of their actual 32c channel EQ. Obviously YMMV.
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Post by ragan on Mar 6, 2021 18:43:26 GMT -6
Interesting. Yeah I just checked on the GR hardware and it's true, engaging the filters does have a LPF cutoff point, though it's above the audible band, barely. I didn't measure but the cutoff looks like it's just above 20kHz. On the hardware, it's a single button to engage both LPF and HPF so I can't isolate which filter is responsible for it. Interesting to note, but it's not gonna be audible I don't think. Either way, it's definitely the slope and resonance of the Harrison HPF that I dig. It's got a unique sound to it. I also love the rest of the EQ. I use mine in the "vintage" mode (negative feedback, internal jumper select) which has a bit more color to it. Edit: I should say too, you can definitely hear the effect of engaging the filter and EQ sections. There’s a tonal difference. I just mean I’m not hearing the fact that it’s 5dB down at 22kHz or whatever. I literally asked Harrison if this was happening because it sounded like it. So, it's audible. At least in HD where you don't have another LPF right above it. There's a tonal difference in engaging the EQ section. I think it's positive. First thing I DO in Mixbus as I'm importing tracks and routing them is turn all the EQs on. Not the filters, though. I assume it's the equivalent of "vintage mode"--since it's a component level model of their actual 32c channel EQ. Obviously YMMV. Worth noting that you’re talking about DSP and I’m talking about a hardware unit made by Great River, so what’s “audible” may be different. And I’m just saying that the LPF above 20kHz that I can measure is not gonna be audible, to people anyway. Could be other stuff going on that is audible on my hardware units. I have no idea if I’d hear the inherent LPF in the Mixbus DSP because I’ve never used it.
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Post by Guitar on Mar 7, 2021 7:19:16 GMT -6
Have a look at Plugin Alliance bx Cleansweep Pro.
If you're a filter aficionado, this is a good one. Filters only, high pass, low pass. But there's an impressive array of different models to mess with.
Just started using it. I needed something to take the nasty top end off my Torpedo Captor load box/DI and this one seems to do it pretty well. Haven't tested the HPF in depth yet but the LPF has a nice sound.
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Post by christopher on Mar 9, 2021 13:54:54 GMT -6
This probably goes without saying, but I assume you have FabFilter? Under the lowcut you can select brickwall, which is a no-knee chop off. I don't have anything else that can do a ridiculous sharp filter like that, esp without any immediately noticeable artifacts. I think if you abuse it, artifacts may or may not reveal themselves. Q3 does get a little raspy if I go overboard with it, but 95% of the time its transparent as anything else to me.
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Post by Guitar on Mar 17, 2021 6:26:19 GMT -6
Here's another one for filter freaks:
Airwindows Capacitor, and Capacitor2 (same thing with analog characteristics.)
Free, love the tone of this thing.
It's not a biquad filter so it's "different" which I think is good, in this case.
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Post by Quint on Mar 17, 2021 7:25:35 GMT -6
I liked the filters (and the EQ in general) on the UAD Harrison so much that I bought a pair of the Great River hardware units. My favorite filters, particularly the HPF. These have been on my list for a while. I'll get a pair one of these days. The UAD plugin did the same thing for me. It made me want the real thing. Ever tried the Acustica Acqua Honey? I've been meaning to try that one as well. It's supposed to be their version of the Harrison.
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Post by Quint on Mar 17, 2021 7:37:38 GMT -6
Interesting. Yeah I just checked on the GR hardware and it's true, engaging the filters does have a LPF cutoff point, though it's above the audible band, barely. I didn't measure but the cutoff looks like it's just above 20kHz. On the hardware, it's a single button to engage both LPF and HPF so I can't isolate which filter is responsible for it. Interesting to note, but it's not gonna be audible I don't think. Either way, it's definitely the slope and resonance of the Harrison HPF that I dig. It's got a unique sound to it. I also love the rest of the EQ. I use mine in the "vintage" mode (negative feedback, internal jumper select) which has a bit more color to it. Edit: I should say too, you can definitely hear the effect of engaging the filter and EQ sections. There’s a tonal difference. I just mean I’m not hearing the fact that it’s 5dB down at 22kHz or whatever. I literally asked Harrison if this was happening because it sounded like it. So, it's audible. At least in HD where you don't have another LPF right above it. There's a tonal difference in engaging the EQ section. I think it's positive. First thing I DO in Mixbus as I'm importing tracks and routing them is turn all the EQs on. Not the filters, though. I assume it's the equivalent of "vintage mode"--since it's a component level model of their actual 32c channel EQ. Obviously YMMV. If the hardware, either the GR or the original Harrison channel strip on which it's modeled, also has this "in the background" lpf, I would wonder why? It's one thing to have a dedicated button/knob that does lpf well down into the audible range, but I wonder why the hardware would automatically and intentionally add a subtle lpf right at or slightly above 20khz, especially considering that the original Harrison eq from the 70s/80s would have come from the tape era, where too much hf wasn't a real issue. Does the hardware actually do the same thing as the plugin, when engaging the lpf?
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Post by popmann on Mar 17, 2021 13:06:47 GMT -6
It should. It's LITERALLY a hardware replication of their circuit by Dan at Great River and a component level DSP replication of it.
It's because both filters are on a circuit with a single bypass switch--they're not part of the EQ circuit, which has it's OWN bypass switch. So, when you engage..both filters are on. You would have to rearchitect the circuit in order to have separate on/off for each filter. As to why in the tape days--It would've been the AES standard practice of filtering EVERYTHING at 50hz/15khz TO tape. This was MORE open and variable than that.
FWIW--"Too much HF" isn't a problem NOW with big boy sample rates. What you hear as "too much HF in digital" is the SOUND of BAD HF replication.
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Post by Quint on Mar 17, 2021 13:16:47 GMT -6
It should. It's LITERALLY a hardware replication of their circuit by Dan at Great River and a component level DSP replication of it. It's because both filters are on a circuit with a single bypass switch--they're not part of the EQ circuit, which has it's OWN bypass switch. So, when you engage..both filters are on. You would have to rearchitect the circuit in order to have separate on/off for each filter. As to why in the tape days--It would've been the AES standard practice of filtering EVERYTHING at 50hz/15khz TO tape. This was MORE open and variable than that. FWIW--"Too much HF" isn't a problem NOW with big boy sample rates. What you hear as "too much HF in digital" is the SOUND of BAD HF replication. Just to be clear, you're saying that when the HPF/LPF button is engaged, even if the LPF knob is turned all the way clockwise (20 kHz), that there still is a little HF loss inherent to that circuit? In the plugin and in the hardware version? As for the AES standard, that may have been a standard, but I don't think that means that is what everybody was necessarily doing. Plenty of people fought the battle of losing too much HF due to excessive tape passes. I'm with you on the higher rate sample rate thing. Though lately I've been kind of interested in doing some more extreme low pass filtering on individual tracks to see what effect that has.
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Post by popmann on Mar 17, 2021 18:47:57 GMT -6
Yes, the filters, high and low, are a single circuit. When engaged, with the LPF knob fully clockwise, its low passing at whatever that frequency IS....someone on the mixbus forums got forensic with it if you want to know what the exact frequency is....I just know my HD suddenly sounded like SD.
The HF loss of tape was fought MUCH lower than that. I know I never even considered the range up there....until 44.1 started audibly crimping it....and I didnt KNOW thats what I was hearing....I just knew the CDs never sounded like the analog OR 48khz digital tapes we turned in. It wouldnt be until years later Id spend much time experimenting with “why”.
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