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Post by ericn on Mar 13, 2021 20:26:54 GMT -6
Here is how you get the return window extended, you call your sales guy tell him that since you can’t demo the pre with the EQ your going to return it and cancel the order, of course if he will extend the return window in writing you will hold off. Make the call first thing Monday because Stimilus checks started hitting last night so anybody who is worried about making there nut won’t be as of Monday afternoon.
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 13, 2021 22:00:12 GMT -6
Here is how you get the return window extended, you call your sales guy tell him that since you can’t demo the pre with the EQ your going to return it and cancel the order, of course if he will extend the return window in writing you will hold off. Make the call first thing Monday because Stimilus checks started hitting last night so anybody who is worried about making there nut won’t be as of Monday afternoon. That was my plan.
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Post by ericn on Mar 13, 2021 22:55:22 GMT -6
Here is how you get the return window extended, you call your sales guy tell him that since you can’t demo the pre with the EQ your going to return it and cancel the order, of course if he will extend the return window in writing you will hold off. Make the call first thing Monday because Stimilus checks started hitting last night so anybody who is worried about making there nut won’t be as of Monday afternoon. That was my plan. Yeah just get right on it because it will be a lot easier to take stuff back when everybody has $1400 or more to spend, hell I just did my part with my bar bill!
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Post by Johnkenn on Mar 24, 2021 19:31:03 GMT -6
I returned the pre…Just for my tastes and uses, there wasn’t really anything I put it on that I liked more than the Neve… I don’t doubt the eq being in line would have made me more likely to keep it - after all, considering the originals and reissues were all in one modules - it’s the only way I had used a Helios in the past. If memory serves correctly, I would often take out 1-2khz with vocals - and that was an area where this pre felt a little forward IMO. Thinking back, maybe the reissue pre was similar in that regard. I just got an email that the eq is being delayed again…and honestly, I’ve kind’ve lost a little interest. Probably going to bail on that too. Maybe I’ll revisit when they’re in stock. Bummer.
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Post by rocinante on Mar 25, 2021 20:35:54 GMT -6
Fixed. Sorry. Domain issues
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Post by rocinante on Mar 25, 2021 20:39:18 GMT -6
So we are offering Helios EQ's in several gain stages. One is the Helios stage Another is a DOA API-type gain stage. (A favorite here). A Neve based gain stage And finally a mastering version THAT based gain stage. www.omniaarts.com
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Post by Hudsonic on Mar 30, 2021 15:13:13 GMT -6
According to what I heard there was not a dime's worth of difference between the H2 "Helios" and the Neve on John's voice. Given the variability and the various build outs of the real Helios, I cannot endorse the new product.
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Post by Johnkenn on May 29, 2021 23:14:05 GMT -6
According to what I heard there was not a dime's worth of difference between the H2 "Helios" and the Neve on John's voice. Given the variability and the various build outs of the real Helios, I cannot endorse the new product. I mean - you could say that about a lot of mic pres. I’ll say this - it doesn’t have the same frequency response as the Tony Arnold reissues. It definitely solves the headroom issue. Would have loved to have heard it with the eq module. I’m bummed they didn’t put them together - even in a two space 500.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 1, 2021 21:30:00 GMT -6
Hey roundbadge - want to give us a quick thought on the 0011’s?
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Post by roundbadge on Sept 2, 2021 22:47:53 GMT -6
Ive heard the 500 series modules, they sounded ok..mids didn't sound like the originals I had..at least to my ears. these 0011's are a different animal. one thing to consider is like the later era original modules the full sized 0011's run on 32 volts rails and have the Lustraphone transfomer clone.so basically twice the voltage as the 500. they sound really cool.having owned a bunch of originals I'd say the older modules have a slightly rounder softer low end whereas the new ones are a smidge tighter/punchier.but totally in the same playing field. yeah and the eq sounds great.keep crankin it. The build is rock solid.the PSU is beefy,brick like.the loaded lunchbox is heavy.the new modules are heavier and deeper than the old ones.makes sense accounting for the added output gain stages. this is the closest I've heard anyone get to the OG versions.think BAE to old Neve.bitchin' times.
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Post by roundbadge on Sept 2, 2021 23:55:54 GMT -6
just to add a note. in some situations I could see myself actually preferring the new ones over the old ones.
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Post by pahstah on Sept 3, 2021 3:55:02 GMT -6
i have a type 69 500 series module by Tony Arnold and I can testify that it runs on 30v by a dc-dc converter.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 3, 2021 13:06:51 GMT -6
Major gas.
To the point where I have two Stams coming and I’m still thinking “I bet that 500 would sound better with the eq…”
Somebody stop me.
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Post by matt@IAA on Sept 3, 2021 13:12:55 GMT -6
You wanna try one of ours? Pre and EQ in one.
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Post by kcatthedog on Sept 3, 2021 13:47:12 GMT -6
Just thinking of you,Johnken !
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Post by Guitar on Sept 3, 2021 13:52:32 GMT -6
When I used to listen to Led Zeppelin IV this sound was drilled in my head, but a lot of that has to be the quality of the band and their production. Still very much one of those hidden gem mojo pieces, that's not widely cloned yet, somehow. There's not, say, DIY Helios kits that I'm aware of.
I have the UAD plugin too but I haven't used it in a long time, even though it's good.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 3, 2021 14:25:29 GMT -6
When I used to listen to Led Zeppelin IV this sound was drilled in my head, but a lot of that has to be the quality of the band and their production. Still very much one of those hidden gem mojo pieces, that's not widely cloned yet, somehow. There's not, say, DIY Helios kits that I'm aware of. I have the UAD plugin too but I haven't used it in a long time, even though it's good. I have actually been using and choosing the UAD Helios pre on acoustics and I like it better than most of my real pres.
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Post by Johnkenn on Sept 3, 2021 14:35:39 GMT -6
You wanna try one of ours? Pre and EQ in one. Well I’d love to - but I’m tapped out so my gas for anything couldn’t convert to cash right now.
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Post by roundbadge on Sept 4, 2021 0:52:09 GMT -6
i have a type 69 500 series module by Tony Arnold and I can testify that it runs on 30v by a dc-dc converter. Oh yes that's right. how's the output and headroom on those?
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Post by roundbadge on Sept 4, 2021 0:55:03 GMT -6
Major gas. To the point where I have two Stams coming and I’m still thinking “I bet that 500 would sound better with the eq…” Somebody stop me. the 500 had that kinda hard slightly pokey thing in the mids. I heard the same thing on my friends voice as well. you can't eq that away.
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Post by roundbadge on Sept 4, 2021 0:57:37 GMT -6
When I used to listen to Led Zeppelin IV this sound was drilled in my head, but a lot of that has to be the quality of the band and their production. Still very much one of those hidden gem mojo pieces, that's not widely cloned yet, somehow. There's not, say, DIY Helios kits that I'm aware of. I have the UAD plugin too but I haven't used it in a long time, even though it's good. I have actually been using and choosing the UAD Helios pre on acoustics and I like it better than most of my real pres. I like that plug in. I want to make a dark wood [stained oak,birch?] outer shell for this lunchbox that looks like the UA wood graphics lol
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Post by OtisGreying on Sept 4, 2021 4:25:02 GMT -6
Ive heard the 500 series modules, they sounded ok..mids didn't sound like the originals I had..at least to my ears. these 0011's are a different animal. one thing to consider is like the later era original modules the full sized 0011's run on 32 volts rails and have the Lustraphone transfomer clone.so basically twice the voltage as the 500. I'm wondering if the voltage making a difference is specific to the Helios cause it was designed for 32V, so splitting into two 500 series wasn't ideal sonically and they probably had to change something?
Cause if something is designed for 500 series from the start power supply in mind, like the API modules, that shouldn't be a crutch to be 500 or a gain to go to 32V, no?
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Post by matt@IAA on Sept 4, 2021 6:32:12 GMT -6
All the helios schematics I’ve seen have the channel cards working on single ended 24V. But there were many versions.
Scratch that. I have seen a “high level line card” schematic for the more sophisticated line driver - the 7 transistor 22113 - that notes 24-36V on the supply.
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Post by nobtwiddler on Sept 4, 2021 7:25:44 GMT -6
Helios pre's / EQ's really shine on Drums & Acoustic instruments! Just sounds real, for lack of a better term.
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Post by drumsound on Sept 4, 2021 8:38:27 GMT -6
When I used to listen to Led Zeppelin IV this sound was drilled in my head, but a lot of that has to be the quality of the band and their production. Still very much one of those hidden gem mojo pieces, that's not widely cloned yet, somehow. There's not, say, DIY Helios kits that I'm aware of. I have the UAD plugin too but I haven't used it in a long time, even though it's good. Zeppelin 4 and the Jimmy Miller era Stones records. I want a Helios console so bad!
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