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Post by guitfiddler on Jan 14, 2021 2:41:35 GMT -6
I’m in search of a vocal eq besides my Rupert Neve 5033. Something with a little more vibe. Just trying to get some recommendations.
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Post by guitfiddler on Jan 14, 2021 2:44:42 GMT -6
ideas to start off Iron Age LH95 Capi Eq BT50 not sure which one? API 550 Kush
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Post by bricejchandler on Jan 14, 2021 4:07:20 GMT -6
ideas to start off Iron Age LH95 Capi Eq BT50 not sure which one? API 550 Kush I've used the Kush, the original siemens eq and the API. I also own a LC53 by Capi but haven't used the BT50. The Kush is very clean. I thought it was ok but I didn't keep it, I'd rather have Fabfilter for superclean stuff and the plugin version of the Electra comes pretty close, specially with very small boosts which is what you'll be doing on vocals I expect. I like the Capi 53, I like not having too many freq options for tracking and it's more forgiving than an API550 type. The sound is also very dependent on the opamps you use, so if like myself you find the red dots a bit hard in this eq, you can try other things for a smoother or cleaner response. It's nice on vocals, smoother than most 550 types out there which is nice on vocals and acoustic gutiar. Out of the APIs, the PCB ones really do sound a lot better than the new reissues. For most things I wouldn't sweat it but on a vocal it's a huge difference I find, I would also go for the A over the B. I've never heard the Iron Age but I love love love the Siemens original, I really wish I would've bought some when they were like 1000€ a pair. Now that Soundtoys came out with the plug in they are really expensive. A little 3k or 5,6 on top on a vocal, plus a tiny bit of of the Hi band is just beautiful on a vocal, and really anything you want to open up. The mids sound great on egit, the top is amazing for acoustics. Definitely not the most versatile eq, it's a sweetener but it's really one of the best for broad strokes. Try out the plug in, see if you like it, the vibe is close, the High end is quite a bit smoother on the real one but you still can see if you like what it does! Something you haven't listed is a Pultec style eq and that's probably what I would reach for first for eqing a vocal chain because the only thing I'll usually do in the tracking phase on a vocal is add some highs, I had a Pulse tech 500 that I use for this exact purpose and it was amazing. I had to sell it at one point and now I'm using the Eq on my Tree Audio Branch for opening up the high end and it does a very nice job.
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Post by stormymondays on Jan 14, 2021 8:14:38 GMT -6
I second the Tree Audio recommendation, that's what I do too! I haven't tried any of the Tree Audio 500 series stuff but it could be interesting, I think they are the same that used to be sold as Inward Connections.
If you want a 500 series Pultec, the A-Designs EM-PEQ is fantastic.
I think you're looking for 500-series only. If not, the Hammer EQ by A-Designs is incredible on vocals too!
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Post by guitfiddler on Jan 14, 2021 8:36:13 GMT -6
ideas to start off Iron Age LH95 Capi Eq BT50 not sure which one? API 550 Kush I've used the Kush, the original siemens eq and the API. I also own a LC53 by Capi but haven't used the BT50. The Kush is very clean. I thought it was ok but I didn't keep it, I'd rather have Fabfilter for superclean stuff and the plugin version of the Electra comes pretty close, specially with very small boosts which is what you'll be doing on vocals I expect. I like the Capi 53, I like not having too many freq options for tracking and it's more forgiving than an API550 type. The sound is also very dependent on the opamps you use, so if like myself you find the red dots a bit hard in this eq, you can try other things for a smoother or cleaner response. It's nice on vocals, smoother than most 550 types out there which is nice on vocals and acoustic gutiar. Out of the APIs, the PCB ones really do sound a lot better than the new reissues. For most things I wouldn't sweat it but on a vocal it's a huge difference I find, I would also go for the A over the B. I've never heard the Iron Age but I love love love the Siemens original, I really wish I would've bought some when they were like 1000€ a pair. Now that Soundtoys came out with the plug in they are really expensive. A little 3k or 5,6 on top on a vocal, plus a tiny bit of of the Hi band is just beautiful on a vocal, and really anything you want to open up. The mids sound great on egit, the top is amazing for acoustics. Definitely not the most versatile eq, it's a sweetener but it's really one of the best for broad strokes. Try out the plug in, see if you like it, the vibe is close, the High end is quite a bit smoother on the real one but you still can see if you like what it does! Something you haven't listed is a Pultec style eq and that's probably what I would reach for first for eqing a vocal chain because the only thing I'll usually do in the tracking phase on a vocal is add some highs, I had a Pulse tech 500 that I use for this exact purpose and it was amazing. I had to sell it at one point and now I'm using the Eq on my Tree Audio Branch for opening up the high end and it does a very nice job. Thanks Brice and Stormy for the insight.
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Post by Ward on Jan 14, 2021 9:36:54 GMT -6
I'd like to hear jcoutu1's take on this, since he uses EQ tracking vocals and is one of the few I know who does. I haven't EQ'ed a vocal since the early 90s when I started getting good microphones. In the mix? Sure. But tracking? Never. Choosing the right microphone for the voice, angling the mic to control plosives and sibilance is key for me. But YMMV, and I'm eager to not only hear what you use but how you use it with what voice and which microphone, and preamp and comps, please. :-)
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Post by ab101 on Jan 14, 2021 9:53:12 GMT -6
I second the Tree Audio recommendation, that's what I do too! I haven't tried any of the Tree Audio 500 series stuff but it could be interesting, I think they are the same that used to be sold as Inward Connections. If you want a 500 series Pultec, the A-Designs EM-PEQ is fantastic. I think you're looking for 500-series only. If not, the Hammer EQ by A-Designs is incredible on vocals too! ====================================================================== Yes - the Hammer on vocals is excellent. I personally try not to eq vocals going in unless I need a filter of some sort (hpf because of use of a soundelux 251 mic, for example.)
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 14, 2021 10:02:15 GMT -6
I usually take out a little honk around 1khz and roll off a little too when tracking...but nothing drastic.
CAPI BT50 would be vibey
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Post by svart on Jan 14, 2021 10:04:36 GMT -6
I tend to do too many cuts on vocals to use hardware EQ.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 14, 2021 10:20:19 GMT -6
I'm using the Mäag EQ4 during vocal tracking. Generally, adding some 20k air band, a slight tweak in either direction at 2.5k (depending on the singer), usually a 650 cut, and the some low cut with the 40 or sub band. 160 might move a tick in either direction.
I'm not doing any heavy lifting with vocal EQ during tracking. Just a little tone shaping after slamming a comp or 2.
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Post by Ward on Jan 14, 2021 10:28:23 GMT -6
I'm using the Mäag EQ4 during vocal tracking. Generally, adding some 20k air band, a slight tweak in either direction at 2.5k (depending on the singer), usually a 650 cut, and the some low cut with the 40 or sub band. 160 might move a tick in either direction. I'm not doing any heavy lifting with vocal EQ during tracking. Just a little tone shaping after slamming a comp or 2. Fair! You're using EQ to equalize or neutralize. That's a sensible approach. Keep this up, I might like you, we might become friends. LOL
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 14, 2021 11:21:02 GMT -6
I'm using the Mäag EQ4 during vocal tracking. Generally, adding some 20k air band, a slight tweak in either direction at 2.5k (depending on the singer), usually a 650 cut, and the some low cut with the 40 or sub band. 160 might move a tick in either direction. I'm not doing any heavy lifting with vocal EQ during tracking. Just a little tone shaping after slamming a comp or 2. Fair! You're using EQ to equalize or neutralize. That's a sensible approach. Keep this up, I might like you, we might become friends. LOL Also, FWIW, the Air Band of the Mäag stuff is bomb. I've got a 4 channel Nightpro PreQ3 (predecessor of Mäag PreQ4) and that's an awesome preamp (big Jensen transformers) with the Air Band. The Air Band is so smooth.
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Post by soundintheround on Jan 14, 2021 11:53:00 GMT -6
DIYRE EQP5 can be great for vocal tracking EQ.
I customized mine out with transformer and OPAMP of choice, as well as tweaked some of the EQ points (as somewhat explained on their site). Brought the 16kHz and 30Hz farther into mid range for more of instrument eq tool than a mix bus tool. Lots of options there!
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Post by ab101 on Jan 14, 2021 13:33:04 GMT -6
I have been wondering about one of these at least for a hpf for tracking vocals - thoughts? (too off topic?) reverb.com/p/api-565-filter-bankBut for mixing vocals - I think it would be difficult to beat the Thermionic Swift. It is sweet on the high end. I have the Maag too. The Swift is expensive, but everyone should have one.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 14, 2021 13:40:57 GMT -6
I have been wondering about one of these at least for a hpf for tracking vocals - thoughts? (too off topic?) reverb.com/p/api-565-filter-bankBut for mixing vocals - I think it would be difficult to beat the Thermionic Swift. It is sweet on the high end. I have the Maag too. The Swift is expensive, but everyone should have one. You prefer the top of the Swift to the Mäag?
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Post by tkaitkai on Jan 14, 2021 14:11:48 GMT -6
I don't EQ on the way in often, but my PEQ2R is excellent for an occasional gentle mid dip + HF boost. Wunder makes a 500 series version called the Allotrope EQ. Another really sweet option is the Great River Harrison 32EQ. Probably my favorite analog EQ... I definitely miss having one. Smooth as all get out and one of the rare pieces where I feel the SW version doesn't even come close.
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Post by ab101 on Jan 14, 2021 14:29:41 GMT -6
I have been wondering about one of these at least for a hpf for tracking vocals - thoughts? (too off topic?) reverb.com/p/api-565-filter-bankBut for mixing vocals - I think it would be difficult to beat the Thermionic Swift. It is sweet on the high end. I have the Maag too. The Swift is expensive, but everyone should have one. You prefer the top of the Swift to the Mäag? If I had to have just one for the top, it would be the Swift. But the Maag is fantastic. It is just that the Swift is sweeter, more euphonic, whatever words work for that. But the Maag is not harsh at all. The Maag and the Swift actually compliment each other well.
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Post by ab101 on Jan 14, 2021 14:32:32 GMT -6
I don't EQ on the way in often, but my PEQ2R is excellent for an occasional gentle mid dip + HF boost. Wunder makes a 500 series version called the Allotrope EQ. Another really sweet option is the Great River Harrison 32EQ. Probably my favorite analog EQ... I definitely miss having one. Smooth as all get out and one of the rare pieces where I feel the SW version doesn't even come close. I have been wondering about the hardware GR Harrison 32eq. The software is ok. And I glad to hear that the hardware is significantly better. By the way, Derr (empirical labs) has a new sofware eq that is very good.
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Post by matt@IAA on Jan 14, 2021 14:43:37 GMT -6
If you or anyone else want to demo the LH95, we have a pair of them at Access Analog powered by robots. You use their plugin to stream the audio to the analog units. A digital interface lets you change the settings on the analog gear remotely, and you can hear exactly what it sounds like. To get free 3 hours of demo time, reserve time on their website and use the coupon code trial-ia-lh95 on checkout. accessanalog.com/
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Post by mhbunch on Jan 14, 2021 15:01:49 GMT -6
If I’m tracking vocals with a ribbon I’ll usually open up the top with 1 notch on electrodyne at 10k and a touch of Pultec at 16k broad q. Beautiful natural sound.
Otherwise no eq during tracking for vox. Unless going to tape.
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Post by ragan on Jan 14, 2021 15:03:42 GMT -6
I don't EQ on the way in often, but my PEQ2R is excellent for an occasional gentle mid dip + HF boost. Wunder makes a 500 series version called the Allotrope EQ. Another really sweet option is the Great River Harrison 32EQ. Probably my favorite analog EQ... I definitely miss having one. Smooth as all get out and one of the rare pieces where I feel the SW version doesn't even come close. I don't EQ on the way in often, but my PEQ2R is excellent for an occasional gentle mid dip + HF boost. Wunder makes a 500 series version called the Allotrope EQ. Another really sweet option is the Great River Harrison 32EQ. Probably my favorite analog EQ... I definitely miss having one. Smooth as all get out and one of the rare pieces where I feel the SW version doesn't even come close. I have been wondering about the hardware GR Harrison 32eq. The software is ok. And I glad to hear that the hardware is significantly better. By the way, Derr (empirical labs) has a new sofware eq that is very good. A pair of Great River Harrison 32EQs have been the main analog EQs in my rig for years. I fell in love with the UAD plug when I first got an Apollo and moved to the hardware shortly after. "Smooth" is exactly right. They're creamy and you can push things around like crazy without sounding off. The LPF and HPF are awesome, they've got two mid bands, low and high are switchable from shelf to bell. They're great.
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Post by mulmany on Jan 14, 2021 15:29:19 GMT -6
I like the Chambord Audio CA-250. Based on a Sontec, but pared down to 4 bands. I use mine all over the place.
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Post by nathaneldred on Jan 14, 2021 17:26:26 GMT -6
Great River Harrison 500 sounds amazing. It's super flexible for anything. I love the EQ2NV, I dream about having a few racks full of their mastering MAQEQNV to create a hybrid console.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 14, 2021 17:55:45 GMT -6
The stam Helios pre/eq is on the way.
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Post by matt@IAA on Jan 14, 2021 17:59:06 GMT -6
The stam Helios pre/eq is on the way. Ours is available whenever if you’re handy with a soldering iron. Or I’ll solder one up for you.
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