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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 7, 2021 7:46:11 GMT -6
3 mics, 3 takes. Very consistent singer, so that made more sense to me than trying to align 3 capsules. Some eq and compression during tracking. Adjusted the preamp level to compensate for mic level differences and get everything working similar. Chain was: mic - Locomotive 286a - Weight Tank Comp - Stam 76 (D mode) - MÄAG EQ4. Peak normalized the takes. Which is your favorite? Can you name the 3 "styles" of LDC? drive.google.com/folderview?id=1BTU7nR0kRCBn0c_fP6X4ECjUMiVkNiRIPS - I don't care how the shootout is "flawed". Edited for clarity... Also, if anyone is interested, DM me and I'll tell you what's what before I post the key.
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Post by timcampbell on Jan 7, 2021 8:03:20 GMT -6
For me the compression hides much of the detail. I can't tell if it's the compressor's or the mic's midpush I hear.
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Post by Guitar on Jan 7, 2021 10:19:29 GMT -6
Mic B sounds like a large condenser with the air on the top.
Mic A sounds maybe like a dynamic with the plosives, and less detail.
Not sure about mic C, if you picked three different "types" maybe it's an SDC.
Yes, I promise to explain away my wrong guesses when you drop the key, LOL!
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 7, 2021 10:26:53 GMT -6
All 3 are LDC's. I guess I just meant style of standard LDC vocal mic.
U47, U67, u87, M49, C12, 251, C800G, 414, etc.
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Post by tkaitkai on Jan 7, 2021 10:32:04 GMT -6
Tough to pick... I like all three for different reasons.
C has a nice presence and would probably sit well in a mix, B is thicker/more "textured", and A feels a little more neutral... sort of. Gun to my head, I would probably pick C as my favorite, but they're not worlds apart. I could honestly get along with any of these.
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Post by Guitar on Jan 7, 2021 10:42:30 GMT -6
That's a tough one without 3 specific choices to guess. But mic B is my favorite I'll put a wild guess out that it's the Flea 47 with the F7 capsule.
A is darker, and smaller in the lows, perhaps a 414 or some "utility" mic of some sort. C is closer to B and I have no idea what it is, perhaps another tube microphone.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 8, 2021 0:19:58 GMT -6
I guess this goes to show how little everything matters in the grand scheme...
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Post by stormymondays on Jan 8, 2021 7:03:17 GMT -6
My wild guess:
A: U87 B: U67 C: 251, 441 or any other edge terminated mic
Very interesting comparison!
My reasoning is that A and B have a "family" sound but B is darker - thus: U67. C is brighter than both which suggests AKG family.
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Post by christopher on Jan 8, 2021 13:22:25 GMT -6
For this, C felt most natural to me. I felt it has the least “mic” signature. A sounded good, likely very useable/maybe best choice in a mix, but if I want less of a fingerprint it might be hard to improve it enough to compete with C. B also sounded good, kind of tubey, but C takes the more “closer/real” Wild guess C 6072 mic or solid state A ef86 B... hmmm.. whatever else. Total guess
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 8, 2021 14:26:29 GMT -6
All 3 are LDC's. I guess I just meant style of standard LDC vocal mic. U47, U67, u87, M49, C12, 251, C800G, 414, etc. I would say Mic A = U67, Mic B = 87 and C = C12
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Post by Johnkenn on Jan 8, 2021 14:33:58 GMT -6
I guess this goes to show how little everything matters in the grand scheme... It's all about the song and the person singing it.
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Post by rowmat on Jan 8, 2021 15:51:47 GMT -6
I guess this goes to show how little everything matters in the grand scheme... It's all about the song and the person singing it. Eva Cassidy used a $100 SM58 for ‘Live at Blues Alley’ AND had a cold. So yeah...
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Post by j4s0n on Jan 8, 2021 16:00:38 GMT -6
B would be my personal choice, which has a 47ish quality...but it could be a 87ish as well. Hard to tell, really, especially if they're just flavors of uX7/c12/... then the lines are even more blurred so frankly I cannot tell beyond what I like A could be 67ish, it has that quality up top that's not airy but somehow reaches farther up there yet remains very sweet and smooth. no clue with C!
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Post by drumsound on Jan 9, 2021 10:29:30 GMT -6
3 mics, 3 takes. Very consistent singer, so that made more sense to me than trying to align 3 capsules. Some eq and compression during tracking. Adjusted the preamp level to compensate for mic level differences and get everything working similar. Chain was: mic - Locomotive 286a - Weight Tank Comp - Stam 76 (D mode) - MÄAG EQ4. Peak normalized the takes. Which is your favorite? Can you name the 3 "styles" of LDC? drive.google.com/folderview?id=1BTU7nR0kRCBn0c_fP6X4ECjUMiVkNiRIPS - I don't care how the shootout is "flawed". Edited for clarity... Also, if anyone is interested, DM me and I'll tell you what's what before I post the key. Mic A Pops really nicely Mic B is velvety Mix C Sound very similar to A A and C would probably poke through a dense mix a little better, but there's an intimate, inviting quality of B that draws me to it. ETA: I listened and posted without reading the thread. The singer (not sure if its you) has a nice voice. Also: thanks for posting this.
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Post by drumsound on Jan 9, 2021 10:34:04 GMT -6
I guess this goes to show how little everything matters in the grand scheme... It's all about the song and the person singing it. YES, to both of you!
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Post by ChaseUTB on Jan 9, 2021 23:51:34 GMT -6
Been awhile since I have seen your mic locker:
A-> FET LDC vocal mic lol not hearing 87 capsule character tho. B-> Flea 47 - after more playbacks I think C maybe the Flea 47 n this is an 87 C -> 67 - Mids really pushed on here, maybe more compression
Vocal sounds great Jesse! Def hearing a good -10db + of GR on peaks but still sounds modern & balanced & would cut thru any type of mix.
That is a quiet vocal take for the HW compression & peak normalization. I guess u recorded conservative levels & the peak normalization made it loud.
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Post by j4s0n on Jan 10, 2021 22:11:46 GMT -6
when will we learn of the results?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 12, 2021 14:34:03 GMT -6
It looks like we've hit the end of the road...
A - Flea47 B - Replica Microphones U87 C - BeesNeez Frank Custom (M49ish according to BeesNeez)
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Post by bricejchandler on Jan 12, 2021 15:04:14 GMT -6
It looks like we've hit the end of the road... A - Flea47 B - Replica Microphones U87 C - BeesNeez Frank Custom (M49ish according to BeesNeez) Interesting how open the FLea is. The one I've used, and most shoot outs I've heard the FLea 47 was always super dark. What capsule is this?
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 12, 2021 15:27:40 GMT -6
It looks like we've hit the end of the road... A - Flea47 B - Replica Microphones U87 C - BeesNeez Frank Custom (M49ish according to BeesNeez) Interesting how open the FLea is. The one I've used, and most shoot outs I've heard the FLea 47 was always super dark. What capsule is this? EF12 / F7
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Post by jcoutu1 on Jan 12, 2021 15:29:13 GMT -6
Interesting how open the FLea is. The one I've used, and most shoot outs I've heard the FLea 47 was always super dark. What capsule is this? EF12 / F7 Also, have some MÄAG eq happening post compression. So, obviously not a straight shootout of the mics, but more of the way I track with them, if that makes sense.
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Post by Guitar on Jan 12, 2021 15:32:45 GMT -6
I think it's hilarious that I called the sound of the Flea "some sort of utility microphone." Thanks for the results. It's interesting that they are all "Neumann-esque" which would give some similarity in tones, in my experience.
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Post by bricejchandler on Jan 12, 2021 15:56:02 GMT -6
Also, have some MÄAG eq happening post compression. So, obviously not a straight shootout of the mics, but more of the way I track with them, if that makes sense. Got it! I'm liking the Flea on this. Mic B has a nice balance, no pokey freqs but sounds a bit dull, I opened it up a bit in the HIgh end and it's nice but a bit bland. That's what I like about 87s usually, it often doesn't add a ton of excitement but it works, though this version of it sounds rather dark. If it's using the Microphone Parts K87, I'm not surprised, in my experience the Mic Parts capsule is quite a bit darker than the Neumann K67/87. Didn't get into the Beezneez as much, didn't have the excitement of the Flea. Really pleasantly surprised by the Flea here, How much High end Are you adding? The one I used was way way darker than the U47s I had next to it.
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Post by soundintheround on Jan 12, 2021 19:53:14 GMT -6
A - U67 type B - U87 type C - U47 type
Just saw results...but posted this beforehand.
Well got 1 of the 3 lol
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Post by j4s0n on Jan 12, 2021 20:16:13 GMT -6
Nice! I was both near and way off, haha. I’ll have to delisted to them again, knowing what’s what, thanks!
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