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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2021 19:02:48 GMT -6
i care zero for this aliasing topic. i judge by ear and go with the old saying „if it sounds good it is good“. decapitator is like the plugin from hell, if you are listening to the aliasing gang. why do famous mixers make great records with it than? i couldn‘t care less for this aliasing BS ... sorry for the rant but i am sick of reading about it again and again. good mixing everyone. make some noise and music! All of those records with overuse of Decapitator would've sounded better with analog gear or anti-aliased, functional DSP that works as intended. Now you can get plugs for free off the internet that are better behaved than what's being shilled online. You can't even hear the plug settings most of the time because the distortion from overuse of it, clipping, and the limiter(s) is so frickin high. It's like when you hear of a Neve 1073 or any other iconic gear being used on a modern record but the Neve sound is totally gone. They could have used anything.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2021 19:18:21 GMT -6
That's interesting. I bet Bob Ludwig could hear that in his room. I wonder if those are typical settings though, or "pushed" for stress testing. I wonder if it's an ugly distortion sound or a pretty one. Bob Ludwig can for sure. If he can hear truncation distortion from the lack of dither in a 32-bit floating point pcm file truncated to 24-bit fixed bit pcm in his monitoring path, he can hear this. There's no push and everything is below -20 dbfs or so. The harmonics above nyquist are being bounced back into the audible range somewhere where's no relation to the fundamentals unlike standard harmonic and intermodulation distortions. It's rarely pretty. The same with aliased control signals.
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Post by mrholmes on Jan 3, 2021 20:26:38 GMT -6
i care zero for this aliasing topic. i judge by ear and go with the old saying „if it sounds good it is good“. decapitator is like the plugin from hell, if you are listening to the aliasing gang. why do famous mixers make great records with it than? i couldn‘t care less for this aliasing BS ... sorry for the rant but i am sick of reading about it again and again. good mixing everyone. make some noise and music! I love one of the aliasing plug ins to death because it sounds soooo sweet and I don’t care about the aliasing. But Dan isn’t on the wrong track, some plugs sound good and react like hardware others suddenly sound off and I can’t put my finger into it. Later I measure and I see its one that aliases like crazy....
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Post by mrholmes on Jan 3, 2021 20:26:49 GMT -6
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Post by mrholmes on Jan 3, 2021 20:27:16 GMT -6
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Post by Mister Chase on Jan 3, 2021 20:38:01 GMT -6
This is super interesting to read. I definitely just use my ears but my ears aren't exactly Golden or even silver.
It's nice that plugins have come so far. I hope psp maybe updates things but I still like some of these plugs. For the work that I do, if I have 50 tracks period I have bigger problems haha.
Guess I feel pretty good about my move to some hardware mixing these days.
That being said, I do really like their plugs.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2021 21:18:43 GMT -6
Yeah as soon as I heard MasterQ2 and PreQursor2 I knew I needed them. I still like FETpressor; I just can't justify ever using it outside of Infinistrip (all in one sloppy light-speed workflow or live/tracking use) or really ever over the Fuse VCL-4 and something like Presswerk.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2021 21:34:24 GMT -6
i care zero for this aliasing topic. i judge by ear and go with the old saying „if it sounds good it is good“. decapitator is like the plugin from hell, if you are listening to the aliasing gang. why do famous mixers make great records with it than? i couldn‘t care less for this aliasing BS ... sorry for the rant but i am sick of reading about it again and again. good mixing everyone. make some noise and music! I love one of the aliasing plug ins to death because it sounds soooo sweet and I don’t care about the aliasing. But Dan isn’t on the wrong track, some plugs sound good and react like hardware others suddenly sound off and I can’t put my finger into it. Later I measure and I see its one that aliases like crazy.... Yeah I love Goodhertz Faraday Limiter's tone but there's no way I would use it something not drums with the color cranked up. The color makes a very clean, ultra powerful limiter, alias somewhat. And I love it at 100% on some drums but sometimes I need between 0-25
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Post by brendanmccusker on Jan 3, 2021 21:53:07 GMT -6
+1 for OldTimer. awesome little plug-in; well worth $20.
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Post by mrholmes on Jan 4, 2021 8:40:50 GMT -6
Yeah as soon as I heard MasterQ2 and PreQursor2 I knew I needed them. I still like FETpressor; I just can't justify ever using it outside of Infinistrip (all in one sloppy light-speed workflow or live/tracking use) or really ever over the Fuse VCL-4 and something like Presswerk.
Bought Nexelence what a cool spring reverb simulation sounds WOW. What you have with MasterQ2 I had with the SPL PassiveQ one, it was just WOW.
I still can't decide which fuse labs preamps to buy. IMO they all sound great and all have plusses and minuses....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2021 21:48:07 GMT -6
Old Timer is sweet. I still like Vintage Warmer too. I used NobleQ for years and years but the Noise Ash Rule Tec severely dethroned other Pultec DSP for me. I've been playing with NobleQex like it a lot. I should have bought it but didn't have enough time to play around with it. I didn't like the normal one that much but NobleQex is a beast with the shiftable dip. I enjoy it more than the cleaner Ignite one. Have you tried the expensive Apogee plugins? They sound really good but are normal pultecs
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Post by ragan on Jan 5, 2021 23:14:11 GMT -6
Old Timer is sweet. I still like Vintage Warmer too. I used NobleQ for years and years but the Noise Ash Rule Tec severely dethroned other Pultec DSP for me. I've been playing with NobleQex like it a lot. I should have bought it but didn't have enough time to play around with it. I didn't like the normal one that much but NobleQex is a beast with the shiftable dip. I enjoy it more than the cleaner Ignite one. Have you tried the expensive Apogee plugins? They sound really good but are normal pultecs I haven't tried any of the Apogee stuff. And I don't feel very 'in the market' for Pultec DSP since getting Rule Tec.
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 6, 2021 2:45:01 GMT -6
Ya, I got the Rul Tec light a while back and bought complete next time it was on sale, checks all the boxes?!
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Post by dougwendal on Jan 12, 2021 13:28:24 GMT -6
I've been waiting for Vintage Warmer to be on sale for a decent price. It's an old plugin, but still want to try it out.
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Post by christopher on Jan 12, 2021 16:40:15 GMT -6
]Here's MasterQ2 analog on MasterQ2 analog on with the vintage limiter on. The limiters are arranged from least to most distorted left to right. After Vintage Limiter, you get some aliasing and bad imd. ClassicQ at 44.1 analog on with the aliased 2nd harmonic that will build up at 44.1 and 48khz. PSP 2x oversampling at 44.1 and 48 khz to uncramp highs seems to be inadequate then both analog and saturation on. Noticeably aliased. PSP year 2009 anti aliasing can't handle Neve type clipping and compare to FETPressor with no anti aliasing It’s nice there are tools now to visually see what I used to hear yet could not explain. Thanks for sharing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 17:41:03 GMT -6
]Here's MasterQ2 analog on MasterQ2 analog on with the vintage limiter on. The limiters are arranged from least to most distorted left to right. After Vintage Limiter, you get some aliasing and bad imd. ClassicQ at 44.1 analog on with the aliased 2nd harmonic that will build up at 44.1 and 48khz. PSP 2x oversampling at 44.1 and 48 khz to uncramp highs seems to be inadequate then both analog and saturation on. Noticeably aliased. PSP year 2009 anti aliasing can't handle Neve type clipping and compare to FETPressor with no anti aliasing It’s nice there are tools now to visually see what I used to hear yet could not explain. Thanks for sharing. Plugin Doctor is worth the 30 bucks or so. And you can't judge these PSP plugins just by that. FETpressor is incredibly cool on drums and so is NobleQ. ClassicQ just has a weird high end but it's far from the worst Neve EQ. The high end on the Lindell 80 EQ is even weirder, like they screwed up the saturation or curve or something. And the Infinistrip is really cool. Would it be way better if it had a 2-4x oversampling option? Yes it would be the best channel strip ever but it's still a great buy and workflow improver. You'll be banging out mixes and solving problems with it that the new Lindell 50 paves over with gravel.
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Post by mcirish on Jan 12, 2021 20:26:44 GMT -6
I used to be into the PSP stuff a lot. I do own much of what they make but it doesn't end up on any mixes anymore. I like the top end of NobelQ but the low end is sort of messed up. I found it unusable on a drum buss. It makes my 60hz thump disappear. The Softube tubetech is a much better pultec style eq. I still like old-timer but just never grab it. It does have a nice pillowy kind of vibe. Fetpressor doesn't work for my needs. It seems a bit overly bright compared to my other fet type compressors. The big downer for me was their gui is not resizable. I bought one of their mastering limiters and it was so small I couldn't read the dials much less tweak it.
I often wonder about plugin doctor. Been thinking of getting it, but in the end, I use what I use because I like what it does. Even if there are some surrounding issues. Still has me curious though about how my favorite plugins would do in a test.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 21:54:39 GMT -6
I used to be into the PSP stuff a lot. I do own much of what they make but it doesn't end up on any mixes anymore. I like the top end of NobelQ but the low end is sort of messed up. I found it unusable on a drum buss. It makes my 60hz thump disappear. The Softube tubetech is a much better pultec style eq. I still like old-timer but just never grab it. It does have a nice pillowy kind of vibe. Fetpressor doesn't work for my needs. It seems a bit overly bright compared to my other fet type compressors. The big downer for me was their gui is not resizable. I bought one of their mastering limiters and it was so small I couldn't read the dials much less tweak it. I often wonder about plugin doctor. Been thinking of getting it, but in the end, I use what I use because I like what it does. Even if there are some surrounding issues. Still has me curious though about how my favorite plugins would do in a test. Xenon is so tiny. The guis all need to be scallable. PSP’s best stuff is the 2445, Nexcellence, E27, MasterQ2, PreQursor2, Infinistrip, and the delays. Poland must love cool delays. Yeah NobleQ was just bad to me. I don’t like it. I really dig the extended NobleQex. It’s like a cleaned up Pultec but you have to use the high pass, dip adjuster, and the boost and cut to get the pillowly kick. The gainstaging to get clean sound with valve on is also annoying. So yeah are totally different workflow from a Pultec and it took me plugin doctor to figure it out. The free Ignite Pultec is more “Pultec” but less useful to me than NobleQex Fetpressor is more cool than functional. the knee is super soft and weird and top end is aliased so it’s a drum mojo thing but when it works, it works, and nothing else has that weird knee
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2021 16:58:46 GMT -6
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