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Post by ChaseUTB on Dec 28, 2020 2:54:09 GMT -6
Very interesting! I watched most. Start vid around 16:00 min mark. What do y’all think? Impressive results considering source files: 2 trk instrumental stereo & reverb Lead Vox mono. Been working ( polishing _____ ) w 2 trk MP3 YouTube beats all the time & have to do similar steps as MB did. Proud of my skill set  Now if I can just charge what he does & be booked up like him My thoughts: Black Box plugin on everything lol.. Almost ever BX 9000 J clipped, almost every track clipped. Def hearing artifacts at times. Is there a Fernando plugin Seemed Fernando did all the heavy lifting & grunt work, hope he was credited sheesh! |
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 28, 2020 6:03:32 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2020 10:33:33 GMT -6
Fernando is a beast. Brauer needs to trim. Totally unimpressed with the Brauer remix. Great Izotope skills but nothing out of the ordinary. People in post production do similar things everyday. They have standards for deliverables and there are no standards anymore for what they receive.
The Giles Martin type remix is cool for a minute but kinda sucks. Its more distorted and clipped so it will sound worse through an optimod on FM radio or streamed over a Wal-Mart intercom. Okay the reverb is taken off the vocal and there’s more bass to not tell you this is an 80s recording but but everything else is worse. The clipping is obvious. The drums are distorted in a nasty bad way. Black box driven hard sounds like electronica. The kick sample doesn’t sit that well. The vocal is the worst. It’s boxy, harsh, and 2d and doesn’t sit now. Yeah it was at the bottom of a swimming pool of reverb but it was clean and had a nice vibe. The whole track went from 80s music done with money and care to a half assed modern production.
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Post by drbill on Dec 28, 2020 10:41:52 GMT -6
I'm sorry. I can't even bear to watch after seeing the front page screenshot. I bought the Black Box plugin and was so disappointed. I can do a lot with $39. Not even going to press play.....
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 28, 2020 11:59:40 GMT -6
I didn't read the replies and went and watched the video...I was going to come back and say I didn't really care for the Black Box on much...but you guys beat me to it.
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Post by mhbunch on Dec 28, 2020 12:07:49 GMT -6
Not to keep hating on Brauer, he’s obviously well respected and more successful at this stuff than I will probably ever be, but the last Grizzly Bear album he mixes was really unlistenable to me. So harsh and weirdly over compressed. Such a shame because I like the music, but can’t listen through a whole song. The mix in the video reminds me of how that album sounds.
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Post by nick8801 on Dec 28, 2020 12:13:26 GMT -6
Funny, I thought I was the only one who wasn’t a fan of his mixes. I think he gets great energy and emotion out of the tracks, but yeah, just too much compression/distortion for my tastes. Obviously I respect the crap out of him and all he’s done, it’s just not for me.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 28, 2020 13:21:35 GMT -6
Went back and looked at Continuum, because that's where I really thought I liked a lot of his mixes...and they do sound really good. But my favorites were Manny Marroquin on that album - "Slow Dancing," "Waiting on the World," "Gravity..." Maybe I just prefer those songs, but I like the bottom end better on those.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 28, 2020 13:24:31 GMT -6
And like everyone else said - not slagging on MB.
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Post by Guitar on Dec 28, 2020 13:38:06 GMT -6
I guess I wasn't blown away either but it was cool to see what that izotope and zynaptiq (expensive!!) stuff can do.
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Post by Ward on Dec 28, 2020 14:20:31 GMT -6
dan said mhbunch said Johnkenn was totally diplomatic with And nick8801 summed it up So in conclusion . . . Hype sells? Honestly, I also watched as much as I could before I finally paused it and had a read. Distortion does not make things sound better. That Black Box plugin? Burn it. I concur with drbill that $39 would buy a nice bottle of whiskey and allow for a nice relaxed mixing session without running everything through a ProCo Rat pedal. I really don't like the results outside of the drying up of the vocals and the slight boost in bass. JMHO, YMMV.
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Post by nick8801 on Dec 28, 2020 14:54:45 GMT -6
On the other end of the distortion/compression debate, I find that mixes like that tend to kick out a little more out of consumer systems. So, there is that to think about as well.
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Post by superwack on Dec 28, 2020 15:31:06 GMT -6
On the other end of the distortion/compression debate, I find that mixes like that tend to kick out a little more out of consumer systems. So, there is that to think about as well. Agreed but I did listen to the final mix on my iPhone speaker (obviously through the YouTube compression) and it sounds really harsh and thin and unpleasant |
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Post by mrholmes on Dec 28, 2020 15:48:38 GMT -6
I'm sorry. I can't even bear to watch after seeing the front page screenshot. I bought the Black Box plugin and was so disappointed. I can do a lot with $39. Not even going to press play.....
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Used it for 3 minutes and thought - JESUS if the hardware sounds like this no one wants to hear this. The saturation sounds not good to my ears.
Not what I know from my hardware tube saturation unit, not even close. Klanghelm is miles ahead of this thing for 30 bucks too...
The people at PA were kind enough to let me swap it for a plug in I like more. May they refund you too, just ask.
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Post by rowmat on Dec 28, 2020 15:51:35 GMT -6
Am I imagining things or is adding distortion/clipping to everything these days the new “thing”?
Like going from 80’s soupy verbs to 90’s dry it appears we are now going from clean to crunchy in many cases just ‘because’.
Like the video plugins that started out by adding film grain to clean digital files and then scratches, blemishes, random colour shifts, jitter and even dropped frames.
For a while it seemed every second video shooter was using the same effects on everything from short films to YouTube fishing videos.
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Post by Guitar on Dec 28, 2020 16:17:06 GMT -6
I think super crunchy mixes have been the "thing" for a little while now. I tend a little that way myself, but I have to be careful unless it gets too ugly too fast.
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Post by rowmat on Dec 28, 2020 16:25:21 GMT -6
I think super crunchy mixes have been the "thing" for a little while now. I tend a little that way myself, but I have to be careful unless it gets too ugly too fast. I guess it’s a case of ‘too much’. When I find myself wondering whether or not the sound is unintentional or deliberate then as far as I’m concerned it’s too much. I had this discussion with my studio partner/producer about vocal distortion he wanted on a particular track I engineered and co-mixed. I felt there was too much but the client liked it so I was out voted. Here’s the track... music.youtube.com/watch?v=IFoWaEUA2nYSaturated vocal with the tops heavily rolled off. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 28, 2020 16:52:28 GMT -6
I like the black box. Def wouldn't want the hardware though. The plug from my subscription does the job. I guess I'm the only one.
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Post by superwack on Dec 28, 2020 16:53:16 GMT -6
I'm sure we've all been to a restaurant where the food was really salty but delicious and we've also been to a restaurant where the food was just too salty. I think this is the same thing. It's like TLA mixes (which I vastly prefer to CLA mixes) I love the amount of compression he can get away with but whenever I try to get that level of 'spank' I can't get to more than 20-30% of where he's at without the mix sounding dead and lifeless. Different cooks know how to use the ingredients correctly and, in this case, Brauer ruined the soup
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Post by nick8801 on Dec 28, 2020 17:26:45 GMT -6
Love that analogy.
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Post by stormymondays on Dec 28, 2020 17:58:08 GMT -6
I haven’t watched yet but I do own the Black Box hardware and I wouldn’t even think of mixing without it. The plugin is ok for some specific tasks but if I have to stay ITB it doesn’t automatically go into my mix buss.
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Post by OtisGreying on Dec 28, 2020 21:56:00 GMT -6
To point at plug-in after plug-in and say "look! Its adding dirt and grit! It's Great! etc. etc." doesn't say much for the versatility of ITB tools when dealing with mixes that aren't as aggressive as in your face rock and need the fidelity, intimacy and detail of sources to be front and center, this is where I find myself consistently frustrated with plug-ins with color, my up and front of detail sources often sound better when processed as little as possible ITB I'm finding (when it comes to color), I.E good automation on vocals just sounds more natural more often than most of my ITB compressors lately, except for my transparent fab filter stuff which is essential.
I'm curious to see how his results would be with dealing with something much more acoustic, intimate and pretty, upfront sounding, like an old soul record or singer songwriter, then compare that with some great mixes I know aren't ITB or some 70s records to see the sonic comparison. I think ITB is fine and dandy with good stems.
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Post by Bat Lanyard on Dec 28, 2020 23:35:20 GMT -6
Ok, I'll suggest that maybe a point would be that after all this "move to ITB" journey that MB has gone through, is there some realization that the racks of gear he used to have behind him + that SSL might have been part of what was brought to the table?
Like maybe his decades-old technique doesn't transfer as easily as he thought?
Just wondering that angle. I haven't followed his ITB transition at all, so maybe he's hybrid and such.
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Post by seawell on Dec 28, 2020 23:43:04 GMT -6
Ok, I'll suggest that maybe a point would be that after all this "move to ITB" journey that MB has gone through, is there some realization that the racks of gear he used to have behind him + that SSL might have been part of what was brought to the table? Like maybe his decades-old technique doesn't transfer as easily as he thought? Just wondering that angle. I haven't followed his ITB transition at all, so maybe he's hybrid and such. Compare his work on the 9000 J and his work now. I did...it’s pretty revealing 😬 |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2020 0:38:44 GMT -6
A bx_console is not an SSL Super Analogue piece. He should have just bought something like an X-Desk.
He's now constrained by the sampling theorem and much of what worked for popular music otb with analog gear simply does not work with plugins. You can't drive it into the red and expect it to sound good. Half the stuff he likes has no itb equivalent that actually works and plugin chains of bad plugins that don't work right can't replace other things because the distortion compounds. It's why stacking limiters and compressors in the old days of itb for the same task, instead of one compressor per task, led to insane IMD but was necessary because they would crap out. There are very few dynamics plugins that actually work anywhere close to what their settings indicate. There are no great itb FET compressors, nothing close to a good VCA compressor, and a few good optical and varimu compressors, most of which were programmed by one guy. The purely digital ones are mostly worse than the emulations except for a the best ones, which are as powerful as any piece of analog equipment. None of which are really things for Brauerizing.
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Now if I can just charge what he does & be booked up like him 
