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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 8, 2021 19:48:56 GMT -6
I've watched a couple new movies on HBO lately...Wonder Woman, the Denzel Washington one with Rami Malik...if that's an example of what movies are going to be like from here out, boy, are we in trouble.  |
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Post by Dan on Feb 9, 2021 0:38:41 GMT -6
If it's all about selling access to your audience, and I believe that's true, DRM is about the worst thing to have. It's the ultimate disconnect for your audience. In the nineties, I processed data from a marketing project that tried to measure the intrest for a centralised unique digital identifier for every recorded song out there. In my mind, the data couldn't be reliable, with something like a 98% rejection factor. So I started checking by phoning the interviewees. I was pretty amazed. Nearly all were negative in the end. One of the music industry execs I talked to, enlightened me: the one idea nobody would buy was complete accountability. So they missed the chance to run along the digital revolution. I remembered seeing a very similar result when Philips launched the CD. First off, it was Philips, the creator of cassette tapes! Secondly, Philips was leaning heavily on the argument CDs would never wear out. Nobody in the music business welcomed that. Both are examples of things being a lot different from what is generally presumed and sold to the public and to politics. The biggest robbers are inside the music industry. So accountability is as useless to them as ever-lasting products. In business in general, this isn't unusual. In the 70s, a company in the DDR created an everlasting lightbulb. No intrest at all from their fellow manufacturers. And today, only Dubai has real everlasting LED lightbulbs because of one very stubborn sheik. The rest of the world has an inferior product. The film industry, OTOH, has avoided some of these mistakes. I don't know why. Simply smarter execs? But still, once they get big, companies are run by bankers, not by music lovers. Seriously doubt the PRO's want to use something like blockchain to identify every spin and purchase - then they'd actually have to pay everyone the correct amount. Actually, if we used blockchain technology, I'm not sure why we'd need PROs...well, I guess someone would have to manage the data. They'd have to pay out the royalties they signed for and have evidence to be sued over Hollywood accounting practices. There would be no more "trades" or "remaindering" or pretending that X record by Y artist never made back its tiny advance despite being selling a bunch of records and getting widely distributed repressings because they were mentioned by Z popular artist |
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Post by Johnkenn on Feb 9, 2021 10:56:23 GMT -6
Seriously doubt the PRO's want to use something like blockchain to identify every spin and purchase - then they'd actually have to pay everyone the correct amount. Actually, if we used blockchain technology, I'm not sure why we'd need PROs...well, I guess someone would have to manage the data. They'd have to pay out the royalties they signed for and have evidence to be sued over Hollywood accounting practices. There would be no more "trades" or "remaindering" or pretending that X record by Y artist never made back its tiny advance despite being selling a bunch of records and getting widely distributed repressings because they were mentioned by Z popular artist YES YES YES...Dan knows whats up lol. Or paying big songwriter X dramatically more than he really made because he threatens to leave and go to the competition. |
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Post by the other mark williams on Feb 9, 2021 12:48:33 GMT -6
The fact that PROs even need to exist is pretty screwy if you think about it. They're essentially acting like bill collectors, and one is saying, "hey, you should hire us b/c we're better repo men than the other main PRO is."
It is such a bizarro industry.
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Post by cyrano on Feb 9, 2021 15:29:08 GMT -6
Some are even watching traffic cams...
When I was young, you could find me three times a week in a movie theatre. Every week.
Then, studios started milking it with sequels. Then, Dolby ruined it with THX certification. Every time, I'd leave the theatre with buzzing ears. Now I suffer from tinnitus...
Of course, a lot of my friends are movie fans too. They all stopped from going to the theatre because of DVDs. Convenience. And they all started pirating because of DRM. Mind you, pirating in that era had a steep learning curve. But it was far, far better than having to undergo the mindless drivel of pre-movie publicity. And one of the things that started the idea of pirating, were the insulting anti-piracy ads from the many MPAA outfits telling us that we all were thieves because we really wanted to watch a movie without wasting half an hour of our lives being insulted because we were stupid enough to buy the goddamned disc.
Audio, fortunately, never was that bad. Yet, both music lovers and movie buffs have digitised their collection a long time ago. Again, convenience. With the exception of analog lovers, of course. That's why vinyl outsells CDs these days.
The music industry first lost radio because they completely corrupted it. They didn't lose it to streaming. It happened a long time before. They lost it because of charts manipulation. People wanting music in their local language, fi, but never found it in the charts. The charts were mainly in English. Even the simplest soul understood why.
Starting and running a movie theatre is a fairly capital intensive business. And the companies who do, are tied to the industry. So they dance to the studio's beat. The few independent "cinephile" theatres we had, went broke because they couldn't dance to the same beat. So they lost the cinephiles too. Contrary to the music scene, however, there are no analog lovers there. No vinyl. And the cinephiles are all pirates, cause they can't get all Fellinis on disc...
The main problem there isn't that the public are inherently thieves. It's regional distribution. Both cinema and music have lost out to their own shenanigans. They've simply missed the boat of globalisation, despite being multinationals. It's incomprehensible, until you learn that most of the big outfits have been cannibalised by their own board who didn't care about anything but their own fortune.
What's interesting these days, is stuff from remarkably small labels. One person companies. Indie movie makers. These are doing well, despite sometimes being harassed by law-firms from the big guys.
I don't make music, nor video. I'm a consumer. But I do write. About food. And I've had to deal with these hyenas on more than one occasion. Freedom of speech and press freedom are all very nice and naive ideas when you have to spend thousands because you mention a brand. The hyenas have no leg to stand on, legally, but the cost to fend them off is very real.
They dug their own graves...
Blockchain would be the wooden stick through the vampire's hearts. Of course they'll never accept it. When things get big, they get powerful. And power corrupts.
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Post by Dan on Feb 9, 2021 16:04:41 GMT -6
They'd have to pay out the royalties they signed for and have evidence to be sued over Hollywood accounting practices. There would be no more "trades" or "remaindering" or pretending that X record by Y artist never made back its tiny advance despite being selling a bunch of records and getting widely distributed repressings because they were mentioned by Z popular artist YES YES YES...Dan knows whats up lol. Or paying big songwriter X dramatically more than he really made because he threatens to leave and go to the competition. Oh yes and while Nielsen record sales made it easier to discern lowest common denominator appeal, it also made it easier to discount sales and not pay people because they’re able to discount a ton of record stores, dealers, and distributors. The false conversion of streams (modern day airplay) to “sales” hurts the charts even more. There are random reissues which sold every copy in every format yet didn’t make any charts. It’s also a lie that vinyl outsells CDs. These reissues and release have pressed exponentially more cd copies than LPs yet the CDs sell more. There are labels not a member of the RIAA and labels in the RIAA not counting the great majority of sales of certain titles. |
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Post by OtisGreying on Feb 20, 2021 6:40:54 GMT -6
Spot on to this topic from a guy in the Marvel movies, Lol.
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Post by Bob Olhsson on Feb 20, 2021 16:45:55 GMT -6
Music has the same problem!
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