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Post by mrholmes on Dec 25, 2020 9:41:04 GMT -6
RGOs.
In real life as well as In The Box I only know The SSL-E.
I asked my buddy if he ever used an SSL-G but no. My mentor also no.
They seem to make a very similar impression - layout? I ask because the G is dirt cheap at Brainworx today.
Do they sound different?
Merry Xmas again. A.
PS: I remember when my Waves SSL was still running that the G sounded less harsh, aggressive in the top end.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 25, 2020 9:48:18 GMT -6
I've worked on both consoles before. For some reason, I always preferred working on the E. Could be a million different factors. The room itself. The E was 32 vs 56 on the G. Something about the E, I just connected with. YMMV.
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Post by Guitar on Dec 25, 2020 10:10:51 GMT -6
Yeah I think they sound a little different in the EQ curves. I haven't done in depth comparisons but the G could be a little more pokey maybe. I've used the E a lot, not the G as much so I can't speak about it very much.
The 9000 J is the one I'm trying to get a handle on now. People keep talking about it so I feel like I should learn it.
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Post by mrholmes on Dec 25, 2020 11:46:01 GMT -6
I've worked on both consoles before. For some reason, I always preferred working on the E. Could be a million different factors. The room itself. The E was 32 vs 56 on the G. Something about the E, I just connected with. YMMV. Yeah I think they sound a little different in the EQ curves. I haven't done in depth comparisons but the G could be a little more pokey maybe. I've used the E a lot, not the G as much so I can't speak about it very much. The 9000 J is the one I'm trying to get a handle on now. People keep talking about it so I feel like I should learn it.
Anyone who knows tech facts about the two?
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Post by mrholmes on Dec 25, 2020 12:10:46 GMT -6
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 25, 2020 12:28:23 GMT -6
So in summary,
E is more accurate freq wise (no over/undershoot).
G has a proportional q on the mid bands (a la API).
E has smoother slopes.
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Post by mrholmes on Dec 25, 2020 13:07:45 GMT -6
So in summary, E is more accurate freq wise (no over/undershoot). G has a proportional q on the mid bands (a la API). E has smoother slopes.
The rest of the technology is the same?
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Post by mrholmes on Dec 25, 2020 13:19:37 GMT -6
So in summary, E is more accurate freq wise (no over/undershoot). G has a proportional q on the mid bands (a la API). E has smoother slopes.
The rest of the technology is the same?
The other blue board had the answer:
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Post by jeremygillespie on Dec 25, 2020 14:39:57 GMT -6
The eq curves are different in the 2 mid band sections.
On the J and K series you can switch between both of those curves. Can’t remember if you can do that on the Duality or not, it’s been a while since I’ve worked on one of those.
When I was assisting different engineers a lot on the 9000kXL, the majority of the would always switch the eq into “E” mode. They seemed to like that better.
I feel like it was more or less noticeable depending on what you were trying to eq and If you were mostly boosting or mostly cutting.
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Post by mrholmes on Dec 25, 2020 15:00:06 GMT -6
The eq curves are different in the 2 mid band sections. On the J and K series you can switch between both of those curves. Can’t remember if you can do that on the Duality or not, it’s been a while since I’ve worked on one of those. When I was assisting different engineers a lot on the 9000kXL, the majority of the would always switch the eq into “E” mode. They seemed to like that better. I feel like it was more or less noticeable depending on what you were trying to eq and If you were mostly boosting or mostly cutting.
For a strange reason I can't demo brainworx stuff. I had to buy blind now, that's also the reason why I asked.
To my ears the G sounds fatter and less in your face.
The E has a lot of this ice pick coldness which I know by CLA mixes.
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Post by jeremygillespie on Dec 25, 2020 15:37:05 GMT -6
Maybe they modeled an E that was in need of a re-cap 😁
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Post by ragan on Dec 25, 2020 15:54:02 GMT -6
[This is all referring to the Brainworx plugins] Before getting the 9000J, I used the E more, though I liked to switch it to the G dynamics. The G is a little more aggressive in the mids. The E is gentler sounding. The G tends to sound slightly mid-pushed.
The 9000J is (switched to E EQ) is my favorite. I use it on almost everything.
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Post by bentley on Dec 25, 2020 16:04:43 GMT -6
Thought this was a pretty good demo of the plug ins:
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Post by mrholmes on Dec 25, 2020 16:59:30 GMT -6
[This is all referring to the Brainworx plugins] Before getting the 9000J, I used the E more, though I liked to switch it to the G dynamics. The G is a little more aggressive in the mids. The E is gentler sounding. The G tends to sound slightly mid-pushed. The 9000J is (switched to E EQ) is my favorite. I use it on almost everything. Jupp E pushes hi mids g low mids. That’s my impression the 9000 is in between? I think for some tasks I like the G more. Future template will be mix out of E and G☯️🧘 |
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Post by theshea on Dec 26, 2020 2:30:50 GMT -6
i went for the brainworx E after comparing it with the waves ssl strips and the brainworx G. the E seems more „focused“ to me and „smoother“ in the highs than the waves. altough the waves had a bit more tightness in the lows ...
so, gibe and take, the brainworx E is now my go-to channelstrip.
did you buy both? E and G?
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Post by mrholmes on Dec 26, 2020 8:13:58 GMT -6
i went for the brainworx E after comparing it with the waves ssl strips and the brainworx G. the E seems more „focused“ to me and „smoother“ in the highs than the waves. altough the waves had a bit more tightness in the lows ... so, gibe and take, the brainworx E is now my go-to channelstrip. did you buy both? E and G?
Yes I bought the G too because I thought it's tighter in the lows and mid. Cant help myself E has that HF splat which I know from some records which I not always like. But maybe this is because I also track on the DELTA which can be similar focussed in the same frequency region.
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Post by Guitar on Dec 26, 2020 8:17:14 GMT -6
For me the E totally excels at rock style music, just a genius strip for that kind of mixing. Even in the plugin, not a console, you can sense why it's become a classic. On every track in a mix just about.
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Post by subspace on Dec 26, 2020 9:29:52 GMT -6
I bought the J before X-mas, it's now $80 with today's sale plus voucher. I skipped the E and G, as I use CLA MixHub. Plan on using the J as my default AAX DSP strip and swapping in MixHub or Lindell 80 for flavor at mix.
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Post by ericn on Dec 26, 2020 15:23:38 GMT -6
There is a reason that so many of the latter 4K refurbs had both EQ’s. Both are very useful but having both options is really the way to go. Personally I can never remember witch one I would rather have.
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Post by mrholmes on Dec 26, 2020 17:37:14 GMT -6
Thought this was a pretty good demo of the plug ins:
Thanks for that link I did try the tag with the orange G Orange EQ on Acoustic Guitars. That was an interesting outcome I can boost top end, and it never sounds harsh or like the guitar is jumping into my face. Truly a unique EQ curve.
Are there any diagrams off the different SSL EQs where I can see how the bands work or overlap??
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