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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 24, 2020 7:33:24 GMT -6
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Post by svart on Dec 24, 2020 10:06:15 GMT -6
So I read through it, but I'm unclear of why they would do these tests. Sine sweeps don't tell you anything about how something sounds, and with the incident signal so hot and producing harmonics so high, and the Nyquist folding happening.. I just don't know what I'm supposed to be taking from all this.
Seems haphazard.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 24, 2020 10:13:25 GMT -6
Was wondering too, thought perhaps he was curious how the plug was affecting freq response but unless he was comparing to the dry signal how do you know what the real difference is?
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 24, 2020 11:45:18 GMT -6
Here’s what I know...if you push stuff into that Neve extension, the bottom gets bigger and transients start to shave off. So, it does what you’d expect it to do. In all honesty, I can’t really hear the API making as much difference.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2020 12:58:52 GMT -6
It might not even be harmonics beyond nyquist folding back, ie aliasing in the audio path. It can be just imd from aliased malfunctioning control signals, the reason why 99% of digital audio non linear processors don’t work as expected. It might not even alias at all in normal use but the algorithms can’t handle being overloaded. UAD is generally pretty great about aliasing in the audio path, less so in the side chains. If they were, their plugins would behave better.
The easiest way to check is the Hammerstein graph in plugin doctor. High level treble aliased harmonics that folds back down to lower levels in the midrange, usually 1khz to 300hz, is the kiss of death for open sound. Some Analog plugins (Mjuc, fuse 864, most tape plugs) simulate noise that’s not aliasing either. The low bass imd (it’s not aliasing and often not even dc offset) from Waves SSL Bus and Blockfish can even blow speakers (both blew woofers for me) if not high pass filtered out. I doubt this “summing” aliases much in the audio path but running this in real time at 44.1khz without artifacts or phase shift from minimum phase oversampling will be tough. Who knows what it is really doing. Harrison Mixbus tried something similar, it doe
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2020 13:11:11 GMT -6
The API one seems to be doing a Waves Rcomp type of thing with no harmonics above 1 kHz to prevent aliasing in the audio path. Weird when both older API (Even 90s API) gear and especially the current, Larry Dropa API gear have a severely colored and distinctive treble.
Also weird advertising saying you’ll get 70s type API sounds form this when it’s clean up top and might emulate the current gear but be clean up top.
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Post by guitfiddler on Dec 25, 2020 19:44:13 GMT -6
The Api does something to the mids and highs from what I heard, open and airy. It's definitely doing something I like on certain material. I need to dig in more... I dig the Neve more, but was surprised by the API on a few mixes, and really dug it on a couple mixes. My demo expired, and I wanted to mess with it more...oh well. Not looking to spend this year as much as I normally do. This Covid/Biden thing has me hesitant.
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Post by Ward on Dec 27, 2020 13:58:44 GMT -6
The Api does something to the mids and highs from what I heard, open and airy. It's definitely doing something I like on certain material. You mean like the teeter-totter effect you get across the mids in Fender's adaptation of the basic Bandaxall idea? Where when you carve out lower mids the upper mids seem to lift, and vice-versa? |
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Post by guitfiddler on Dec 29, 2020 18:49:56 GMT -6
Oh yes, software indeed👍🏻 😢
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