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Post by tasteliketape on Dec 21, 2020 9:17:38 GMT -6
Free British based channel strip till feb 14.
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Post by tkaitkai on Dec 21, 2020 10:22:01 GMT -6
Just tested this out — sounds really good.
Was expecting a Phoenix emu based on the graphics, but EQ points and compressor settings all look like a Shelford. Crazy to have this kind of stuff for free.
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 21, 2020 10:43:50 GMT -6
Just tested this out — sounds really good. Was expecting a Phoenix emu based on the graphics, but EQ points and compressor settings all look like a Shelford. Crazy to have this kind of stuff for free. Massive CPU hit? |
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Post by tkaitkai on Dec 21, 2020 10:58:31 GMT -6
jcoutu1Not the worst, but still pretty high. Pretty much on par with all of the other Acustica plugs I have. With all 4 sections enabled, it's using around 7% CPU in Reaper. For comparison, Celestial uses 12%.
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Post by ChaseUTB on Dec 26, 2020 1:54:42 GMT -6
What’s the deal with these? Hear a lot about them but never used or looked into their products.
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Post by tkaitkai on Dec 26, 2020 2:56:57 GMT -6
ChaseUTBBasically insanely high CPU, highly realistic analog emus that were at one point the only thing that gave UA a run for their money. Then a myriad of smaller devs came along and started churning out much more CPU-efficient plugs that sound pretty much just as good. Acustica stuff still sounds wonderful, though. I happily use several of their Acqua plugs. They use a convolution process to “sample” the hardware they emulate, as opposed to most other analog emus which use algorithms to model what the hardware is doing. I do agree that some of their plugins are as close to analog as it gets, but at the same time, Fuse, Black Rooster, Analog Obsession, Plugin Alliance, Kush, and a few others have been killing it lately.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 26, 2020 12:44:05 GMT -6
maybe worth a second look with the new m1 cpu ?
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Post by chessparov on Dec 26, 2020 16:39:56 GMT -6
Anyone else who runs Windows 7? I'll give it a try on the upload, this weekend.
Thanks, Chris
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 26, 2020 17:20:12 GMT -6
maybe worth a second look with the new m1 cpu ? This will definitely be true once Acustica has moved everything to Native Apple Silicon, but probably already true. I haven't seen enough reports yet. |
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 26, 2020 17:26:09 GMT -6
What’s the deal with these? Hear a lot about them but never used or looked into their products. They're some of the most divisive plugins on the market: more so than Slate or UAD. I have a number of plugins by Acustica, and a couple of third party plugins that use their Nebula platform. Some of their plugins (especially some of the EQs and "preamps") are astonishingly good IMO. But there are many, many annoyances associated with them including very high CPU, high latencies, sometimes sluggish GUIs (though this has improved dramatically with newer releases). Sometimes it's worth it to use them, sometimes it's not. Depends on your workflow. If you're only mixing or mastering, it's worth it IMO. If you're composing, tracking, or overdubbing, the latency will fuck you up. Again, purely IMO. |
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Post by mrholmes on Dec 26, 2020 18:26:19 GMT -6
What’s the deal with these? Hear a lot about them but never used or looked into their products.
I did try them over the past 15 years again and again, they sound great but logicX crashes every time. With the newer plugs I think their technology is outdated. The new plug ins are insane good IMO we are there and its just a matter of taste which gear you use.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2020 19:22:26 GMT -6
So these are like convolution processing? Do I need this if I'm happy in Fuse and Klanghelm land?
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 26, 2020 19:46:21 GMT -6
What’s the deal with these? Hear a lot about them but never used or looked into their products.
I did try them over the past 15 years again and again, they sound great but logicX crashes every time. With the newer plugs I think their technology is outdated. The new plug ins are insane good IMO we are there and its just a matter of taste which gear you use.
As much as I want this to be true, my ears still tell me otherwise. I use Logic, and have few problems with Acustica - other than my CPU is really too old to expect good performance. But no real crashes with Acquas at my place. I’ve had a couple Nebula crashes, but recent Acquas (past 3yrs or so) have been stable. |
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Post by tkaitkai on Dec 26, 2020 21:28:49 GMT -6
So these are like convolution processing? Do I need this if I'm happy in Fuse and Klanghelm land? I wouldn't say you need it, but it can't hurt to try the free stuff. Personally, I think it's worth it. I don't think Acustica (along with UAD) are as untouchable as they used to be, but they still have a few plugs that are worth their weight in gold. Celestial (SSL Fusion emu) is insanely good and sounds/behaves like analog to me. The CPU hit is ridiculous, so it's saved for vocals/stereo bus, but I would use it on everything if I could get away with it. |
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Post by ChaseUTB on Dec 26, 2020 22:32:47 GMT -6
Ok that’s some good feedback thanks guys! I’m going to head over to YouTube & do some research on some of these plugins.
Is there any Acoustica Audio makes that’s better than / equivalent too UAD 1176 mk2 or other mk2 UAD plugs?
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Post by mrholmes on Dec 27, 2020 5:31:37 GMT -6
I did try them over the past 15 years again and again, they sound great but logicX crashes every time. With the newer plugs I think their technology is outdated. The new plug ins are insane good IMO we are there and its just a matter of taste which gear you use.
As much as I want this to be true, my ears still tell me otherwise. I use Logic, and have few problems with Acustica - other than my CPU is really too old to expect good performance. But no real crashes with Acquas at my place. I’ve had a couple Nebula crashes, but recent Acquas (past 3yrs or so) have been stable.
I always speak for myself and not for everyone else. In the last two years I ABed often hard and Software and suddenly more and more software sneaked back into my process. In Special the smaller developers did an outstanding job.
Heard AB
SSL 4k
SPL IRON MC77 M15 A vs Softube Tape.
Matched the values by ear, and double-checked the levels.
To my ear every time we talked minor things which also could be differences from not hearing the exact same unit.
But hey that's just me and does not need to be true for you. At least me and three full time professional failed in blind AB every time.
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Post by tkaitkai on Dec 27, 2020 11:22:22 GMT -6
Ok that’s some good feedback thanks guys! I’m going to head over to YouTube & do some research on some of these plugins. Is there any Acoustica Audio makes that’s better than / equivalent too UAD 1176 mk2 or other mk2 UAD plugs? I don't think there's an Acqua 1176. You'd probably have to get into Nebula for that, which I've never bothered to get into. Acustica basically have two different "types" of plugins — Acquas and Neubla libraries. Acquas are pretty much ordinary AU/VST/AAX plugins, whereas Nebula is a totally different beast. You run Nebula as an AU/VST/AAX and then load Nebula libraries, which are often created by third-party indie devs who sample their own HW and create a "library" that runs within Nebula. Too much fuss for me personally, but some really love it. Anyway... There's a damn good API emu from Acustica called 'Pink' that easily contends with UAD. They also have an SSL channel called 'Sand.' Very much in the same league as the UAD SSL MKII. They have a whole host of other stuff I haven't tried. Everything from Fearn to Maselec to Orban. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 27, 2020 12:04:08 GMT -6
I have their Pultec (Purple), API (Pink), and El Rey (tube compressor) and think they all sound dynamite.
That said, I almost never use any of them because they use so much processor. I'm usually mixing stuff with decent track counts and a lot of processing.
I don't run into trouble on sessions without Acustica plug-ins, and almost always do with, so I basically don't even touch them unless I know it's a sparse mix. Not worth the headache for me, even if they sound great.
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Post by Quint on Dec 27, 2020 12:12:12 GMT -6
I have their Pultec (Purple), API (Pink), and El Rey (tube compressor) and think they all sound dynamite. That said, I almost never use any of them because they use so much processor. I'm usually mixing stuff with decent track counts and a lot of processing. I don't run into trouble on sessions without Acustica plug-ins, and almost always do with, so I basically don't even touch them unless I know it's a sparse mix. Not worth the headache for me, even if they sound great. What sort of computer type/speed are you running? If/when Luna ever comes to PC, I'm thinking of just going 100% UAD/Luna extensions during tracking, and then swap out UAD for Acqua (as warranted) during the mix stage; Studer for Taupe, Pultec for Purple, API for Pink, Neve for Gold. I'd still use UAD reverbs and delays though. |
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Post by jcoutu1 on Dec 27, 2020 12:52:53 GMT -6
I have their Pultec (Purple), API (Pink), and El Rey (tube compressor) and think they all sound dynamite. That said, I almost never use any of them because they use so much processor. I'm usually mixing stuff with decent track counts and a lot of processing. I don't run into trouble on sessions without Acustica plug-ins, and almost always do with, so I basically don't even touch them unless I know it's a sparse mix. Not worth the headache for me, even if they sound great. What sort of computer type/speed are you running? If/when Luna ever comes to PC, I'm thinking of just going 100% UAD/Luna extensions during tracking, and then swap out UAD for Acqua (as warranted) during the mix stage; Studer for Taupe, Pultec for Purple, API for Pink, Neve for Gold. I'd still use UAD reverbs and delays though. 2017 MacBook Pro, i7, 2.9 quad, 16GB RAM. |
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 27, 2020 13:51:07 GMT -6
I have their Pultec (Purple), API (Pink), and El Rey (tube compressor) and think they all sound dynamite. That said, I almost never use any of them because they use so much processor. I'm usually mixing stuff with decent track counts and a lot of processing. I don't run into trouble on sessions without Acustica plug-ins, and almost always do with, so I basically don't even touch them unless I know it's a sparse mix. Not worth the headache for me, even if they sound great. What sort of computer type/speed are you running? If/when Luna ever comes to PC, I'm thinking of just going 100% UAD/Luna extensions during tracking, and then swap out UAD for Acqua (as warranted) during the mix stage; Studer for Taupe, Pultec for Purple, API for Pink, Neve for Gold. I'd still use UAD reverbs and delays though. From my (albeit limited) understanding, LUNA is unlikely to ever be a great match for Acustica plugs (at least compared to the competition) due to the (low) fixed buffer size in LUNA. Perhaps there are more major changes on the horizon with LUNA, though... |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2020 14:10:47 GMT -6
Ok that’s some good feedback thanks guys! I’m going to head over to YouTube & do some research on some of these plugins. Is there any Acoustica Audio makes that’s better than / equivalent too UAD 1176 mk2 or other mk2 UAD plugs? No way on an 1176. They barely have anti-aliasing already in this strip and cpu use is out of control. A functional sub 1 ms attack rate compressor is not gonna happen. Check out Overloud 1176 V2 (oversampled), Plugin Alliance Purple Mc77 (Fully oversampled with TMNT off), TDR Molot GE (insane mode, alpha mode, saturation on and dynamic), Neold u73b, and Goodhertz Faraday Limiter for faster stuff that behaves better than UAD 1176. |
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Post by Quint on Dec 27, 2020 14:11:51 GMT -6
What sort of computer type/speed are you running? If/when Luna ever comes to PC, I'm thinking of just going 100% UAD/Luna extensions during tracking, and then swap out UAD for Acqua (as warranted) during the mix stage; Studer for Taupe, Pultec for Purple, API for Pink, Neve for Gold. I'd still use UAD reverbs and delays though. From my (albeit limited) understanding, LUNA is unlikely to ever be a great match for Acustica plugs (at least compared to the competition) due to the (low) fixed buffer size in LUNA. Perhaps there are more major changes on the horizon with LUNA, though... You bring up a good point, though I thought that Luna changed the buffer automatically in the background, based on scenario. In other words, wouldn't Luna increase the buffer size during mixing, in which case there might be a sufficiently larger buffer to handle Acqua plugins? I'm not an expert on Luna though. |
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 27, 2020 14:51:24 GMT -6
From my (albeit limited) understanding, LUNA is unlikely to ever be a great match for Acustica plugs (at least compared to the competition) due to the (low) fixed buffer size in LUNA. Perhaps there are more major changes on the horizon with LUNA, though... You bring up a good point, though I thought that Luna changed the buffer automatically in the background, based on scenario. In other words, wouldn't Luna increase the buffer size during mixing, in which case there might be a sufficiently larger buffer to handle Acqua plugins? I'm not an expert on Luna though. You may be totally right - I don't know the intricacies of LUNA. I thought kcatthedog mentioned at one point that it was fixed at 256 buffer or something? This was in a thread about Sound Radix Pi, and why Pi wasn't working in LUNA. The takeaway seemed to be that LUNA wouldn't allow a large enough buffer setting for Pi to do its thing. But I could be completely wrong! And I'll say, too, that I've had Acustica plugs working fine at 128 buffer or whatever -- even on my ancient CPU. But they do tend to work better with a larger buffer setting. |
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 27, 2020 15:10:24 GMT -6
Half that I think and yes the buffer in Luna is fixed.
With UA currently working on m1 certification, I am curious how Luna might be tweaked to capitalize on the m1 processing power?
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