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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 19, 2020 7:54:51 GMT -6
Basically, UA is ending selling stand alone Apollo, you have to buy the Heritage bundle: it’s discounted and there is an alternatives list and if you have all of those, apparently, CS will work with you.
But if you wanted to just by and Apollo, here is a posting from ua forum , as of yesterday.
“Don Schenk said: 12 Hours Ago At this moment, (8PM EST Dec 18, 2020) here in the USA, Sweetwater, Proaudiostar, and Guitar Center each show they still have some x8 Apollos non-heritage editions. Sweetwater and Guitar Center show x6 Apollos still available without heritage editions. And Guitar Center has a used x6 in excellent condition for $1749 in their Huston, Texas store.
:- Don“
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Post by phantom on Dec 19, 2020 8:07:41 GMT -6
I love Universal Audio, but man that's a bad business practice.
They are basically forcing you to buy plugins, even if you just need an interface. Kind of disapointing to tell you the truth.
And why?
Also, is this really the right time to do this?
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Post by nick8801 on Dec 19, 2020 8:19:39 GMT -6
My 16mkii is for sale with all my plugs if anyone wants! Better deal than UA is offering right now:)
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Post by indiehouse on Dec 19, 2020 8:31:42 GMT -6
What the hell is a Heritage bundle? I don’t understand. Does that mean a price increase?
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Post by indiehouse on Dec 19, 2020 8:35:21 GMT -6
$400 price increase. Wow.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 19, 2020 8:39:25 GMT -6
Agreed, not a fan of this either, although the plugs are deep discounted around $40 per ?
I bought the 10 plug bundle and it cost me $1000 or $100 per?
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 19, 2020 8:46:01 GMT -6
It’s a package of their current plug ins.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 19, 2020 8:47:08 GMT -6
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Post by phantom on Dec 19, 2020 8:57:02 GMT -6
Yeah, but I, and many others I bet, already owns the UAD plugins that we like.
If I decide to buy a new Apollo, I would probably not want to buy 10 plugins for $40 each at the same time.
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Post by indiehouse on Dec 19, 2020 8:59:44 GMT -6
Yep. Same. I have all the UAD plugs I want, but I’m now forced to pay for more. To be honest, this really rubs me the wrong way. It’s a shady move to raise prices. I mean, why not make this an optional add in when you register a new device? 10 plugs for $400. But let’s not forget it’s not any 10 plugs you want, right? It’s 10 of their choosing?
Yeah. Nope.
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Post by indiehouse on Dec 19, 2020 9:08:22 GMT -6
I can also see this as a response to the AKM factory fire, and a possible Apollo shortage this year. Sell less Apollo’s but raise prices.
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Post by nick8801 on Dec 19, 2020 9:09:08 GMT -6
Yeah, so what if you already own these plugins? Do you get a coupon for equal value?
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Post by phantom on Dec 19, 2020 9:10:59 GMT -6
Yep. Same. I have all the UAD plugs I want, but I’m now forced to pay for more. To be honest, this really rubs me the wrong way. It’s a shady move to raise prices. I mean, why not make this an optional add in when you register a new device? 10 plugs for $400. But let’s not forget it’s not any 10 plugs you want, right? It’s 10 of their choosing? Yeah. Nope. It was said that you can swap these 10 with alternates and talk with CS about it. That's not a solution at all, imo.
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Post by phantom on Dec 19, 2020 9:13:14 GMT -6
Yeah, so what if you already own these plugins? Do you get a coupon for equal value? As I have understand, you can swap with alternates. If you don't want those as well, you can contact CS and test your luck. Coupons probably.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 19, 2020 9:33:27 GMT -6
Yeah - that's disappointing. I had considered getting a second Apollo, but not sure now.
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Post by nick8801 on Dec 19, 2020 9:46:13 GMT -6
Yeah, so what if you already own these plugins? Do you get a coupon for equal value? As I have understand, you can swap with alternates. If you don't want those as well, you can contact CS and test your luck. Coupons probably. Still....I don't like being forced to buy stuff. It's not like they have to build a different Apollo or anything. It's the same interface with pre coded plugins that cost them nothing to make.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 19, 2020 10:50:40 GMT -6
That’s why I posted that info about available stand alone apollos, in case someone was just about to buy?
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Post by drumrec on Dec 19, 2020 11:26:57 GMT -6
It was strange that there are no alternatives to just buying intreface without any bundle. There are many who have the plugins and just want to expand I / O.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2020 12:45:34 GMT -6
That’s weird when most people will just want a couple plugs on discount anyway to front load the colour, compression, and reverb. And they might not want to touch the la2a and 1176 and Pultechs at all. Like I already have a bunch of Pultech type plugs, the fuse vcl 4 which has no latency and works perfectly, and Goodhertz Faraday Limiter and Molot GE which don’t click at all. I would only want Helios, Ams RMX 16, capital chambers, and the Neve dynamics bundle. Being able to track with them active And nice plugs (versus having to use stuff like infinistrip, old waves, McDSP and Tokyo Dawn live mode when native) is the sole point of the SHARCs now now because those sharc chips are old and slow and the conversion isn’t the best. A lot of the modern rap dudes buying Apollo Twins are doing it for only for low latency autotune. the appartement guitarists have always mostly just wanted the softube plexi that usually came with the interface. UAD is just selling them plugs they would never need, want, or buy otherwise.
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Post by Quint on Dec 19, 2020 13:01:01 GMT -6
That’s weird when most people will just want a couple plugs on discount anyway to front load the colour, compression, and reverb. And they might not want to touch the la2a and 1176 and Pultechs at all. Like I already have a bunch of Pultech type plugs, the fuse vcl 4 which has no latency and works perfectly, and Goodhertz Faraday Limiter and Molot GE which don’t click at all. I would only want Helios, Ams RMX 16, capital chambers, and the Neve dynamics bundle. Being able to track with them active And nice plugs (versus having to use stuff like infinistrip, old waves, McDSP and Tokyo Dawn live mode when native) is the sole point of the SHARCs now now because those sharc chips are old and slow and the conversion isn’t the best. A lot of the modern rap dudes buying Apollo Twins are doing it for only for low latency autotune. the appartement guitarists have always mostly just wanted the softube plexi that usually came with the interface. UAD is just selling them plugs they would never need, want, or buy otherwise. Yep. That's my issue. If they're going to raise the price, I understand that they need to do it because of the AKM fire situation, and don't begrudge them for needing to do so. It's a shitty situation all the way around. However, don't force me to buy the Heritage bundle. Let ME pick the 10 plugins I want. Or five or whatever. There are plugins in the Heritage bundle I would never want or need.
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Post by kcatthedog on Dec 19, 2020 13:48:33 GMT -6
Right or let you waive the Heritage bundle if you buy the 10 plug in deal ?
Am lucky I bought my x6 a few months back, after losing so much money selling my previous UA rig, no way I was going to buy plug ins I didn’t want.
I appreciate UA’s sales as I have been able to select the plugs I wanted all on sale, so that’s great.
But, if I had been forced to buy the HB, I likely would have bought the Aurora N 8, an octo and 10 plug deal.
I am very pleased with the X6, think it’s very good value still but obviously the cost of plug ins adds up to.
Now that we have to pay the state taxes as a non resident, am paying $100’s in usd in taxes and another 14% here in Cdn, literally tax on tax. So, for me in Cdn $ landed , am paying like $4-600 in taxes , which would climb further with HB. Think my days buying retail in states are largely done. Not certain how a US retailer losing a sale is good for the US, think this tax thing is getting out of hand?
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 19, 2020 14:30:03 GMT -6
Right or let you waive the Heritage bundle if you buy the 10 plug in deal ? Am lucky I bought my x6 a few months back, after losing so much money selling my previous UA rig, no way I was going to buy plug ins I didn’t want. I appreciate UA’s sales as I have been able to select the plugs I wanted all on sale, so that’s great. But, if I had been forced to buy the HB, I likely would have bought the Aurora N 8, an octo and 10 plug deal. I am very pleased with the X6, think it’s very good value still but obviously the cost of plug ins adds up to. Now that we have to pay the state taxes as a non resident, am paying $100’s in usd in taxes and another 14% here in Cdn, literally tax on tax. So, for me in Cdn $ landed , am paying like $4-600 in taxes , which would climb further with HB. Think my days buying retail in states are largely done. Not certain how a US retailer losing a sale is good for the US, think this tax thing is getting out of hand? Used Apollo’s didn’t make a ton of sense because of all the bonuses...now they make more sense.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2020 14:35:24 GMT -6
Yeah and UAD plugs aren’t like Tokyo Dawn or Sound Radix where if you buy and use them, you will get your money back. Those are designed to save you time, sound better, and make you money at the same time.
Honestly, the only recent emulation plug purchase of mine that made its money back for me was the Neold v76 u73b. That instantly paid for itself and then made a profit somehow. The PSP 2445 is also going to make me money soon.
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Post by ragan on Dec 19, 2020 14:36:09 GMT -6
It’s a strange move.
I suppose you could frame it as: due to no chips, they have to increase prices. This is a way to give you something for that cost increase.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2020 14:39:10 GMT -6
It would’ve come out better if they were just honest, raised prices to lower demand, and then let new customers pick some free plugs that they don’t have to pay licensing fees for.
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