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Post by tasteliketape on Dec 17, 2020 21:51:25 GMT -6
I hear there is a Neve 1290 500 recreation coming SOON . Has anyone used or heard an original? Is it different than the 1073 in sound ? Asking for a friend. Edit : so my google search says there the sSme minus eq
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Post by Vincent R. on Dec 17, 2020 22:32:13 GMT -6
I hear there is a Neve 1290 500 recreation coming SOON . Has anyone used or heard an original? Is it different than the 1073 in sound ? Asking for a friend. Edit : so my google search says there the sSme minus eq My understanding is the preamp in the 1073 unit is the 1290, and technically whenever you get a pre-only unit from BAE, Neve, Stam, etc, you are actually getting a 1290. They just call it a 1073 so people not as versed in this kind of thing know what it is.
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Post by BenjaminAshlin on Dec 17, 2020 23:09:48 GMT -6
I have built a number of EZ1290 preamps over the years. As vincent said they are basically 1073's minus the EQ and (edit)eq gain stages.
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Post by Bender on Dec 17, 2020 23:50:26 GMT -6
Here’s a post with some info on those 1290’s I found cruising the webs, more details on the link but here’s the gist. joelcameron.com/blog/2016/5/16/retro-hardware-neve-class-a-preamp-wout-eq“First up, the 1290. Housed in a module the exact same size as the 1272 (5.25" H x 1.8" W x 8.5" D), the 1290 featured the full mic preamp treatment with both preamp stages and an output stage. Because of its limited real-estate, however, the 1290 module only had room for the 10468 input transformer with any output transformer to be used located elsewhere outside the module. The preamp provides the same 20dB-80dB gain range design as the full blown Neve channel amps had save one practical difference -- no "OFF" position between 50dB and 55dB gain settings. Remember that gains up to 50dB use only two active gain stages, while the 55dB and above positions use all three. To avoid a very nasty (and potentially damaging) 'pop' when switching from two to three gain stages Neve engineers thoughtfully put an "OFF" position between them. On the 1290 their is no such "OFF" position. Instead Neve used several 12k resistors strategically placed to minimize pop-inducing interaction between the gain stages being routed, and for the most part it worked quite well. The rest of the design is pretty much straight off the drawings of other class-A channel amps. The other facility provided by the 1290 is an input select switch that provides settings for "LZ" (300 ohm) and "HZ" (1200 ohm) mic input loads as well as an oscillator input. The 1290 has no fader on it, so any such fader would have to be wired externally. Interestingly, I don't believe Neve ever coupled the typical, gapped LO1166 output transformer with the 1290 as they did with virtually all other uses of their class-A output stage. Instead, it appears they loaded the output with a large inductor (wound by Marinair, called a T1310) and then took the output signal, unbalanced, from the collector of the large 2N3055 output transistor. While this works just fine I personally prefer the tone of proper output transformer instead. Oddly, I was actually reprimanded by one Neve modder/technician many years back for even suggesting the use of an LO1166 output transformer with a 1290 as, according to him, it wouldn't function properly. But clearly the output stage is the identical design used in all the class-A gear Neve built, and it works brilliantly. I guess he was glued to the schematic which showed only the inductor/unbalanced output arrangement. ”
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Post by drbill on Dec 18, 2020 0:06:26 GMT -6
Audio-Scape. 500 series. V1290. Tons of (usually not used on most clones) NOS original parts. PHAT! Eminent release from what I've heard. At this point, I don't think it's a secret.
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Post by drbill on Dec 18, 2020 0:09:42 GMT -6
I hear there is a Neve 1290 500 recreation coming SOON . Has anyone used or heard an original? Is it different than the 1073 in sound ? Asking for a friend. Edit : so my google search says there the sSme minus eq My understanding is the preamp in the 1073 unit is the 1290, and technically whenever you get a pre-only unit from BAE, Neve, Stam, etc, you are actually getting a 1290. They just call it a 1073 so people not as versed in this kind of thing know what it is. I remember at least ONE of those manufacturers telling me that their "EQ-Less" 1290 WAS a 1073. At least AS got the number right. I wouldn't expect anything less from them.
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 18, 2020 1:13:52 GMT -6
Audio-Scape. 500 series. V1290. Tons of (usually not used on most clones) NOS original parts. PHAT! Eminent release from what I've heard. At this point, I don't think it's a secret. Nice! I hadn't heard about this. So it was still a secret from some of us!
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Post by Ward on Dec 18, 2020 7:52:46 GMT -6
Audio-Scape. 500 series. V1290. Tons of (usually not used on most clones) NOS original parts. PHAT! Eminent release from what I've heard. At this point, I don't think it's a secret. Nice! I hadn't heard about this. So it was still a secret from some of us! Chris and Charlie at HQ haven't been quiet. The social media posts have flat-out said the 1290 was coming soon! Personally, I'd like to see input impedences of 1200, 2400 and 4800 - but that's just me and my love-hate relationship with certain ribbon microphones. 300 is pretty much useless to 99.62% of us. #ASAF
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Post by Vincent R. on Dec 18, 2020 9:41:10 GMT -6
Nice! I hadn't heard about this. So it was still a secret from some of us! Chris and Charlie at HQ haven't been quiet. The social media posts have flat-out said the 1290 was coming soon! Personally, I'd like to see input impedences of 1200, 2400 and 4800 - but that's just me and my love-hate relationship with certain ribbon microphones. 300 is pretty much useless to 99.62% of us. #ASAF Yeah, I need that 300 for my Altec 639a. Otherwise it's all 1200.
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Post by superwack on Dec 18, 2020 10:46:32 GMT -6
Nice! I hadn't heard about this. So it was still a secret from some of us! Chris and Charlie at HQ haven't been quiet. The social media posts have flat-out said the 1290 was coming soon! Personally, I'd like to see input impedences of 1200, 2400 and 4800 - but that's just me and my love-hate relationship with certain ribbon microphones. 300 is pretty much useless to 99.62% of us. #ASAF It's not just you. I'd love it if it had 300, 600, 1200, 2400, and 4800!
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 18, 2020 13:41:55 GMT -6
Nice! I hadn't heard about this. So it was still a secret from some of us! Chris and Charlie at HQ haven't been quiet. The social media posts have flat-out said the 1290 was coming soon! Personally, I'd like to see input impedences of 1200, 2400 and 4800 - but that's just me and my love-hate relationship with certain ribbon microphones. 300 is pretty much useless to 99.62% of us. #ASAF That could certainly explain it. There are those of us in the world who choose to not engage with social media as much as possible.
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Post by Ward on Dec 21, 2020 15:12:08 GMT -6
I HAVE SEEN THE NEW audioscape AS1290 AND SHE IS BEAUTIFUL!! I am not permitted to share anything further at this time besides it is identical to the original in every way right down to the machined aircraft aluminum including Marconi knows, and the 80db of clean gain. Prepare thy credit cards. And yet, something else this way comes in the new year that will also be on the must-have list!!
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Post by Ward on Dec 21, 2020 15:17:34 GMT -6
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Post by rowmat on Dec 21, 2020 15:32:37 GMT -6
Not 500 series but I modded one of my Seventh Circle Audio N72’’s with front mounted impedance switches and being able to switch between different impedances in real time is more beneficial than the old Neve version of having to remove the module to change the impedance.
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Post by audioscape on Dec 21, 2020 18:04:31 GMT -6
thanks for starting this thread tasteliketape !!! Ward of the state and drbill - thank you thank you!!! We have indeed gone to great lengths to source a lot of the LONG obsolete (some we thought would be unobtanium) NOS components in the V1290 (heard THE NAME here first! haha). As the person who scoured and procured these parts - it wasn't easy and it was much more costly than I even anticipated - but the proof is in the pudding. All the good stuff - 40 year old Motorola 2N3055's, Fairchild BC184C's, Polystyrene (Styroflex), Tantalum and Polypropylene caps plus custom spec'd, USA-Made input AND output iron from two different high-end transformer gurus (this was SO important...the iron plays a large role along WITH the particular NOS components we have chosen for this build; they really do work in tandem to give us the desired result of an amazing "N" 1290 RECREATION (in 500-Series ofc) - the module itself runs at 24V internally as it should - ah I could go on and on! As a Neve™ freak myself - this was one very close to my heart in getting every little detail right (which we ALWAYS strive for) sonically and otherwise. AMAZING solid-aluminum ELMA Marconi Knobs and NOT the cheap plastic Chinese ones that are a dime a dozen EVERYWHERE. It SOUNDS beefy. It LOOKS beefy. It FEELS beefy. ...it's the AudioScape V1290 !! 😍👌🤘
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Post by audioscape on Dec 21, 2020 18:11:14 GMT -6
OH AND YES - the 1290 was an actual mic-preamp model made by Neve™ - it is LITERALLY a 1073 WITHOUT the EQ section - specifically designed this way BY NEVE™. This is NOT the same as taking a 1073 schematic and lobbing off the EQ - then going around calling it a '1073 PREAMP' 😜😜😎😁 For those not familiar - I HIGHLY recommend you read this informative post by Joel Cameron as posted above - it's quite revealing! joelcameron.com/blog/2016/5/16/retro-hardware-neve-class-a-preamp-wout-eqMUCH LOVE TO ALLLLLLLLLL!!!! 💕
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 21, 2020 18:45:52 GMT -6
One would be interested in getting one’s hands on one...
Btw, I’m gonna work on getting a video out tomorrow on the D-Comp
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Post by audioscape on Dec 22, 2020 18:52:09 GMT -6
One would be interested in getting one’s hands on one... Btw, I’m gonna work on getting a video out tomorrow on the D-Comp EXCELLENT! Thank you, John - that would be IMMENSE of you! ;-) Once we finalize the front panels and get the right switches in from Grayhill we will have a demo unit or two to pass around for amazing engineers like yourself and many of the members here to evaluate and make some reviews, demos and/or comparisons me thinks ;-)
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Post by ChaseUTB on Dec 22, 2020 19:32:56 GMT -6
Rack unit or 500 for the 1290 pre ? Went to the website ( I shouldn’t have smh ) & couldn’t decide on getting a 1176 A or the dual LA3A & missed out on both.. My attack time wasn’t fast enough for the release. My smarter self says to pick one & save until I figure out my HW inserts issues. Then I started looking at the buss comp. Most ppl say this smokes the Stam mk1. I can make this work cuz I print mixes & masters .. dammit, sold out lol I noticed there was a $100 sale on the units I’m interested in. How long is the sale offered? Would love to save a few bucks if possible! Thx
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Post by audioscape on Dec 22, 2020 22:29:07 GMT -6
Rack unit or 500 for the 1290 pre ? Went to the website ( I shouldn’t have smh ) & couldn’t decide on getting a 1176 A or the dual LA3A & missed out on both.. My attack time wasn’t fast enough for the release. My smarter self says to pick one & save until I figure out my HW inserts issues. Then I started looking at the buss comp. Most ppl say this smokes the Stam mk1. I can make this work cuz I print mixes & masters .. dammit, sold out lol I noticed there was a $100 sale on the units I’m interested in. How long is the sale offered? Would love to save a few bucks if possible! Thx Hey Chase! ;-) Mwhahaha, you made the RIGHT move - great analogy, too!! V1290 will be offered in 500-Series format first - if there's enough demand, we'll perhaps offer it in a 1RU dual channel format 😎🤘 The sale will be valid for the foreseeable future...! EASY PEASY! My personal recommendation - snag a BUSS COMP first and after that, an OPTO COMP (depending upon what you already own in analog hardware of course!). We build in small batches and we list each new small batch twice a week, EVERY week up on our website! Same days, same time EVERY week: Wednesday at 8PM EST and Saturday at 8PM EST Like clockwork! So keep your eyes peeled tomorrow at 8PM EST SHARP, hahaha ;-) Thank you for checking us out and we hope to see you join the AS FAM very soon!! <3
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Post by ChaseUTB on Dec 22, 2020 22:37:12 GMT -6
Rack unit or 500 for the 1290 pre ? Went to the website ( I shouldn’t have smh ) & couldn’t decide on getting a 1176 A or the dual LA3A & missed out on both.. My attack time wasn’t fast enough for the release. My smarter self says to pick one & save until I figure out my HW inserts issues. Then I started looking at the buss comp. Most ppl say this smokes the Stam mk1. I can make this work cuz I print mixes & masters .. dammit, sold out lol I noticed there was a $100 sale on the units I’m interested in. How long is the sale offered? Would love to save a few bucks if possible! Thx Hey Chase! ;-) Mwhahaha, you made the RIGHT move - great analogy, too!! V1290 will be offered in 500-Series format first - if there's enough demand, we'll perhaps offer it in a 1RU dual channel format 😎🤘 The sale will be valid for the foreseeable future...! EASY PEASY! My personal recommendation - snag a BUSS COMP first and after that, an OPTO COMP (depending upon what you already own in analog hardware of course!). We build in small batches and we list each new small batch twice a week, EVERY week up on our website! Same days, same time EVERY week: Wednesday at 8PM EST and Saturday at 8PM EST Like clockwork! So keep your eyes peeled tomorrow at 8PM EST SHARP, hahaha ;-) Thank you for checking us out and we hope to see you join the AS FAM very soon!! <3 Ok will do! Yeah I missed out on Saturday cuz I couldn’t make up my mind lol. Website is a really nice layout as well. Thanks for the thorough answer
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Post by audioscape on Dec 23, 2020 20:38:28 GMT -6
Hey Chase! ;-) Mwhahaha, you made the RIGHT move - great analogy, too!! V1290 will be offered in 500-Series format first - if there's enough demand, we'll perhaps offer it in a 1RU dual channel format 😎🤘 The sale will be valid for the foreseeable future...! EASY PEASY! My personal recommendation - snag a BUSS COMP first and after that, an OPTO COMP (depending upon what you already own in analog hardware of course!). We build in small batches and we list each new small batch twice a week, EVERY week up on our website! Same days, same time EVERY week: Wednesday at 8PM EST and Saturday at 8PM EST Like clockwork! So keep your eyes peeled tomorrow at 8PM EST SHARP, hahaha ;-) Thank you for checking us out and we hope to see you join the AS FAM very soon!! <3 Ok will do! Yeah I missed out on Saturday cuz I couldn’t make up my mind lol. Website is a really nice layout as well. Thanks for the thorough answer Aw man! Thank you re: the website comment!! Always love hearing that ;-) My pleasure, as always, to help out our current and future AS FAM!! Always here to help my man! Happy holidays to you and yours and everyone else as well! <3 Charlie
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 23, 2020 20:41:20 GMT -6
Rack unit or 500 for the 1290 pre ? Went to the website ( I shouldn’t have smh ) & couldn’t decide on getting a 1176 A or the dual LA3A & missed out on both.. My attack time wasn’t fast enough for the release. My smarter self says to pick one & save until I figure out my HW inserts issues. Then I started looking at the buss comp. Most ppl say this smokes the Stam mk1. I can make this work cuz I print mixes & masters .. dammit, sold out lol I noticed there was a $100 sale on the units I’m interested in. How long is the sale offered? Would love to save a few bucks if possible! Thx Hey Chase! ;-) Mwhahaha, you made the RIGHT move - great analogy, too!! V1290 will be offered in 500-Series format first - if there's enough demand, we'll perhaps offer it in a 1RU dual channel format 😎🤘 The sale will be valid for the foreseeable future...! EASY PEASY! My personal recommendation - snag a BUSS COMP first and after that, an OPTO COMP (depending upon what you already own in analog hardware of course!). We build in small batches and we list each new small batch twice a week, EVERY week up on our website! Same days, same time EVERY week: Wednesday at 8PM EST and Saturday at 8PM EST Like clockwork! So keep your eyes peeled tomorrow at 8PM EST SHARP, hahaha ;-) Thank you for checking us out and we hope to see you join the AS FAM very soon!! <3 Any desire to do the full 1073? Or is the market already so saturated? It would be awesome to have the 1290 with a more functional eq section a la the E27 or BAE 1028.
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Post by plainofjars on Dec 23, 2020 20:45:38 GMT -6
Rather have a proper, vintage-sounding 1066 than a 1073.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 23, 2020 21:00:03 GMT -6
What’s the sale again?
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