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Post by seawell on Dec 7, 2020 9:41:36 GMT -6
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Post by nudwig on Dec 7, 2020 10:03:37 GMT -6
I've successfully avoided having any Waves on the new computer, this might get me to break. The old RS124 was so fun!
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Post by tasteliketape on Dec 7, 2020 10:04:52 GMT -6
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Post by mike on Dec 7, 2020 10:10:47 GMT -6
Warren Huart's demo review
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2020 10:29:02 GMT -6
Can it squash? This is Waves, whose compressors have been clicky and distorted since they stopped trying to make excellent utility stuff like the Renaissance plug 20 years ago. I’ll compare it to MJUC, Kush AR-1, and the king of itb tube squash with an eventual 100:1 ratio, Neold v76u73.
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Post by seawell on Dec 7, 2020 10:52:19 GMT -6
Waves got it right in my opinion. I've tried so many times to replace the old plug in(Royal Comp, AR-1, Acustica Coffee). Never could fill that void until now. Such a nice surprise!
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Post by subspace on Dec 7, 2020 11:04:07 GMT -6
Was logged into my Waves account two days ago and saw an upgrade was available for my Abbey Road Bundle but I couldn't see what the additional plug-in was. My WUP expired today as it happens so I was interested in grabbing it, but the upgrade was gone on Sunday. This explains it, buying the $29 upgrade adds RS124 and updates my bundle to V12, which is good as I'm at the 'update the OS and DAW version every five years' point currently... edit: It spewed out a refer a friend link in case anybody else updates and feels like kicking me a 10% off voucher: www.waves.com/r/fnks6x
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Post by Guitar on Dec 7, 2020 11:29:56 GMT -6
That was a hot tip, thanks! I got Izotope Break Tweaker Expanded (200 dollar discount) for ten bucks and I chose the Royal Compressor for free. I love this stuff.
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Post by Guitar on Dec 7, 2020 11:31:29 GMT -6
This waves one is the one that had those super slow envelopes right? I remember being amazed by that, many years ago.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2020 12:01:39 GMT -6
At least this isn’t a celebrity mixer knob polishing plugin.
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Post by Guitar on Dec 7, 2020 12:07:28 GMT -6
I was kind of interested by the Butch Vig Vocals one, haha, because I am a fan.
Waves worst attribute, in my opinion, is the noise floor on some of their plugins. Absolutely inexcusable in this era. Either give a knob like Plugin Alliance does or just get rid of it. Nobody in this world is a hiss aficionado. But I probably speak to soon. Someone's going to be that.
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Post by Johnkenn on Dec 7, 2020 12:24:15 GMT -6
Warren Huart's demo review
That was a great video...he's good.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2020 12:25:33 GMT -6
Butch Vig has made good sounding records in the last 20 years though. It’s the same reason I never even demoed the Boz +10db strip. David Bendeth’s signature on it. All those metalcore records sound like shit. These endorsements turn people off.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2020 12:29:00 GMT -6
Warren Huart's demo review
That was a great video...he's good. Warren is great. He makes you actually want to use the gear and plugins he demoes and tries to show what it actually does in the real world versus “hey this is cool. Watch me clip it.” Like 90% of YouTube.
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 7, 2020 13:52:36 GMT -6
I'm looking forward to trying this. I was a big fan of the Abbey Road version from, what, 12 years ago? It was so unique at the time. I was really pissed when they just decided not to port any of their plugins to 64-bit.
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Post by schmalzy on Dec 8, 2020 10:51:37 GMT -6
Butch Vig has made good sounding records in the last 20 years though. It’s the same reason I never even demoed the Boz +10db strip. David Bendeth’s signature on it. All those metalcore records sound like shit. These endorsements turn people off. I'm not really a fan of those Bendeth records. I'm a huge fan of those plugins, though. +10db has found its way all over my mixes. I love the EQ on guitars, the compressor and EQ are great on vocals, the compressor is one of my drum parallels, the compressor gets used on anything that needs more snap, and the EQ ends up on my mix bus every-so-often. It takes a bit to figure out how to use it I think but it's really killer in my opinion!
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Post by Guitar on Dec 8, 2020 11:30:41 GMT -6
I haven't tried the Waves new one yet, but the free United Plugins Royal Compressor one sounds pretty gorgeous on orchestral strings. I'm sure I'll try the Waves eventually, and more of the Abbey Road collection, but the plugin budget only goes so fast.
I think my most used Waves plugin is probably RVox. It has a bright crisp compressed sound for vocals. Also on vocals the Waves Aphex Exciter can take them to 11 in terms of presence when the mix is getting too dense for the vocal to cut through.
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Post by ericn on Dec 8, 2020 13:09:37 GMT -6
Butch Vig has made good sounding records in the last 20 years though. It’s the same reason I never even demoed the Boz +10db strip. David Bendeth’s signature on it. All those metalcore records sound like shit. These endorsements turn people off. That’s because he has had a great team of very talented engineers around him some well know some not so well know ( OK I’m biased most of them fall in that friends and former clients category, a great many were at my wedding reception, at least I think they were, we did drink a bit that night).
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Post by Ward on Dec 9, 2020 7:37:21 GMT -6
SNIP . . . All those metalcore records sound like shit. These endorsements turn people off. You're not wrong!! You try and work with heavy bands now and make a great sounding record that has everything clearly there and defined, captured, performances are worked on . . . and to many, it doesn't sound right to them. Cos they're used to listening to 'that sound'. You can't get people past some things. But we keep trying!
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 9, 2020 7:53:21 GMT -6
I got a chance to play around with this for a bit last night on a lead vocal. I was comparing it directly to the Kush AR-1. I'm not sure what I think about it yet. I like how the AR-1 has adjustable attack time - the attack on the RS124 is sometimes too aggressive. But this Waves version is a bit more flexible than the original RS124 plugin from years ago. It definitely has some similarities to the AR-1, though. It's a bit more colored or "vintage-y" sounding.
Hoping to do more tests over the next day or three.
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Post by Ward on Dec 9, 2020 8:01:08 GMT -6
I got a chance to play around with this for a bit last night on a lead vocal. I was comparing it directly to the Kush AR-1. I'm not sure what I think about it yet. I like how the AR-1 has adjustable attack time - the attack on the RS124 is sometimes too aggressive. But this Waves version is a bit more flexible than the original RS124 plugin from years ago. It definitely has some similarities to the AR-1, though. It's a bit more colored or "vintage-y" sounding. Hoping to do more tests over the next day or three. Sincere question: What does "vintage-y" mean?
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 9, 2020 8:17:56 GMT -6
I got a chance to play around with this for a bit last night on a lead vocal. I was comparing it directly to the Kush AR-1. I'm not sure what I think about it yet. I like how the AR-1 has adjustable attack time - the attack on the RS124 is sometimes too aggressive. But this Waves version is a bit more flexible than the original RS124 plugin from years ago. It definitely has some similarities to the AR-1, though. It's a bit more colored or "vintage-y" sounding. Hoping to do more tests over the next day or three. Sincere question: What does "vintage-y" mean? Great question. I considered deleting it when i typed it, but I left it in. In this case, I just mean it is less clean than the AR-1 (and the AR-1 can already sound pretty colored when pushed). It's a little more pillowy in the lows, less defined/tight in the release. Better?
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Post by Ward on Dec 9, 2020 9:06:51 GMT -6
Sincere question: What does "vintage-y" mean? Great question. I considered deleting it when i typed it, but I left it in. In this case, I just mean it is less clean than the AR-1 (and the AR-1 can already sound pretty colored when pushed). It's a little more pillowy in the lows, less defined/tight in the release. Better? Sure. It's great to hear what that means to other people! Quite frankly, so much of the 'vintage' plug-ins or 'vintage sound' boxes just sound like distortion to me. As in, "hey, let's get a few overdrive pedals and just run everything through them" and we'll get similar results. It's all a wee bit like the Emperor's New Clothes, feel me? Sure, Harmonic Distortion is a side effect of compression, especially Vari-Mu FET and Diode (not as much with optical and VCA) but in limited amounts. Some of the more dirty stuff really doesn't sound pleasant . . . and recordists and audio/electronic engineers have been working their butts off to clean things up since the 1930s. I don't think their work was a fool's errand or all in vain. But I'm entitled to be wrong!
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Post by the other mark williams on Dec 9, 2020 10:56:28 GMT -6
Great question. I considered deleting it when i typed it, but I left it in. In this case, I just mean it is less clean than the AR-1 (and the AR-1 can already sound pretty colored when pushed). It's a little more pillowy in the lows, less defined/tight in the release. Better? Sure. It's great to hear what that means to other people! Quite frankly, so much of the 'vintage' plug-ins or 'vintage sound' boxes just sound like distortion to me. As in, "hey, let's get a few overdrive pedals and just run everything through them" and we'll get similar results. It's all a wee bit like the Emperor's New Clothes, feel me? Sure, Harmonic Distortion is a side effect of compression, especially Vari-Mu FET and Diode (not as much with optical and VCA) but in limited amounts. Some of the more dirty stuff really doesn't sound pleasant . . . and recordists and audio/electronic engineers have been working their butts off to clean things up since the 1930s. I don't think their work was a fool's errand or all in vain. But I'm entitled to be wrong! Uhhhhhhh, maybe you’re posting to the wrong “gear” message board? Pretty sure you won’t find too much disagreement on those points here, from me or anyone else. Except maybe about a plugin compressor sounding like an overdrive pedal. I have plenty of both, but they don’t sound like each other over here.
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Post by Ward on Dec 9, 2020 11:03:01 GMT -6
Sure. It's great to hear what that means to other people! Quite frankly, so much of the 'vintage' plug-ins or 'vintage sound' boxes just sound like distortion to me. As in, "hey, let's get a few overdrive pedals and just run everything through them" and we'll get similar results. It's all a wee bit like the Emperor's New Clothes, feel me? Sure, Harmonic Distortion is a side effect of compression, especially Vari-Mu FET and Diode (not as much with optical and VCA) but in limited amounts. Some of the more dirty stuff really doesn't sound pleasant . . . and recordists and audio/electronic engineers have been working their butts off to clean things up since the 1930s. I don't think their work was a fool's errand or all in vain. But I'm entitled to be wrong! Uhhhhhhh, maybe you’re posting to the wrong “gear” message board? Pretty sure you won’t find too much disagreement on those points here, from me or anyone else. Except maybe about a plugin compressor sounding like an overdrive pedal. I have plenty of both, but they don’t sound like each other over here. Fair. I can be verbose at times. I've stopped drinking coffee for today and the gearz tab is closed.
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