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Post by OtisGreying on Dec 3, 2020 20:20:51 GMT -6
Hey mark, how is the Stam 67 holding up? Did it meet/exceed or fall below expectations? Worthy purchase?
I own one and I think its great but my mic ears are fairly beginner and I'm curious how it would fair against a real 67, or a vintage neumann in general. I don't know what a real one sounds like and am curious how others are receiving this mic.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 3, 2020 21:56:17 GMT -6
I've heard some tracks done with the SA67 and the Neumann U67 Reissue. I picked the Stam blind. They were quite close though. The Stam might lean toward the vintage 67 sound a bit more. I'm looking forward to comparing mine with a vintage U67 soon.
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Post by OtisGreying on Dec 4, 2020 2:27:03 GMT -6
I've heard some tracks done with the SA67 and the Neumann U67 Reissue. I picked the Stam blind. They were quite close though. The Stam might lean toward the vintage 67 sound a bit more. I'm looking forward to comparing mine with a vintage U67 soon. Very nice, I hope when you compare perhaps you can snag some sample clips if possible Martin.
In any case my mic sounds very good, enjoying it!
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Post by Martin John Butler on Dec 4, 2020 9:41:03 GMT -6
Glad to hear that Otis.
If it wasn't for the Covid crisis, I'd have done the comparison a long time ago. It's gonna be fun when I do though. I'll certainly post some tracks.
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Post by Guitar on Dec 4, 2020 10:22:21 GMT -6
I like the Soyuz on the voice, it sounds more balanced to me. The Stam on your voice has some kind of weirdness in the midrange to me, I came away with the Soyuz as my clear pick for your voice.
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Post by plainofjars on Dec 4, 2020 15:04:06 GMT -6
Laptop listening here, but preferred the Stam. Sounded more professional, more finished, without trying to be pretty.
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Post by Ward on Dec 7, 2020 9:04:53 GMT -6
I liked soyuz more for guitar and the stam more for vocals. 100% agree with my friend here! The stam 67 is out of this world good on your voice.
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Post by timcampbell on Dec 7, 2020 19:10:55 GMT -6
Well I almost feel like I shouldn't comment but even I have to agree. The SA-67 sounds terrific on your voice. It is hard to believe it is a completely unprocessed track.
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Post by ericn on Dec 7, 2020 21:24:27 GMT -6
Well I almost feel like I shouldn't comment but even I have to agree. The SA-67 sounds terrific on your voice. It is hard to believe it is a completely unprocessed track. Hey Tim I take your comment on this one as ; Thank you for making me look really good! So from here completely appreciate.
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Post by OtisGreying on Dec 20, 2020 5:41:30 GMT -6
The mixer in me is liking the more upper-mid range forwardness of the SA-67 as opposed to my rather mellow Flea 47 lately on vocals. The Flea may sound a tiny bit "nicer" in a certain sense, but the 67 is more forward and usable for vocals in some denser mixes I'm finding.
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Post by the other mark williams on Jan 2, 2021 12:22:33 GMT -6
Finally getting around to responding to these. I've got a mixed version with full band treatment with the stam to post right after this... They are both very good Mark ; I hear the difference you'd expect between a tube and transistor design much as you'd expect - the Soyuz could be substituted for a good 87 with similar results and the Stam is a fine mic for sure. It's personal preference really. loved hearing Youngstown again done so well. Cheers, Ross Thanks, Ross. I agree with the typical 87 vs. 67 thought here. I'll be getting the Serrano 87 next week, and I'll do some tests with it to see how it compares, too. Excellent performance as usual man! For me, it's Stam all the way. The Soyuz is definitely a wonderful mic, but something about the Stam just sounds right to me. On both guitar and vocals. I tend to agree with you here. The Stam has that slightly laid-back feel as opposed to the Soyuz forwardness. The Stam fits the aesthetic I was shooting for better. OK, everybody. I managed to get Katrina and Søren out of the house for about 45 mins last night - just long enough to lay down bits of a few tracks. This was one-take stuff with no warmup, so it was quick and dirty.
Hey dude. First, great singin' and playin'. Feel and vibe I could listen to all day. Both mics sound good and fit you well. On guitars, it's kind of a toss-up for me. Both sound really nice and either one works. On vocals, there's something interesting going on. The Stam has the mid push you'd expect from a 67 voicing, but it also has this other quality where the sort of grit and nuance of your voice comes across more. For me, it has the effect of being more inviting and of conveying more emotion, almost to the point where I was double checking to make sure they were the same take. I hear it across the examples. I think it's a great fit for your voice. Congrats on finally getting it. ragan , this is insightful. Thank you. In many ways, once we reach a certain quality plateau, your observation is the kind we should really be doing more of, IMO. Sure, we can dissect how mics are different from a EQ standpoint, a transient stanpoint, etc., but the question really is: How does it make me feel? In this example, the Stam makes me feel something that the Soyuz doesn't. "Inviting" is a great descriptor. I liked soyuz more for guitar and the stam more for vocals. I can totally see this, as well. Great stuff, Mark. I love the sound of your voice. I'm listening pretty late, so I can really choose, but I don't think either is bad on you. They sound a little more similar than I was expecting. Thanks, Tony! I really appreciate that. The two mics definitely have a lot in common. The area I hear the biggest difference--and this is what I'm starting to think of as a Soyuz sonic signature--is the low mid push. I recognize it in my 013 SDCs, too. It makes me think it might be a transformer thing more than a capsule thing, but who knows. I like the Soyuz on the voice, it sounds more balanced to me. The Stam on your voice has some kind of weirdness in the midrange to me, I came away with the Soyuz as my clear pick for your voice. Interesting. I'm not hearing it quite that way, but that's certainly a totally valid observation. If all I had were the Soyuz, I wouldn't be tooooooo upset. Laptop listening here, but preferred the Stam. Sounded more professional, more finished, without trying to be pretty. I hear you on this. There's a bit more control in the Stam to my ear. I liked soyuz more for guitar and the stam more for vocals. 100% agree with my friend here! The stam 67 is out of this world good on your voice. Thanks, Ward! Well I almost feel like I shouldn't comment but even I have to agree. The SA-67 sounds terrific on your voice. It is hard to believe it is a completely unprocessed track. Tim, you are a HUGE, HUGE part of the sound of this mic, so I want to publicly thank you for your fine work here. It's an inspiring mic to sing into. It's definitely unprocessed whatsoever in the example at the start of this thread, but I'm getting ready to post a processed version in a minute so folks can hear an "after" example.
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Post by the other mark williams on Jan 2, 2021 12:37:30 GMT -6
OK, here's the same "Youngstown" clip, but I finally found some time last night to add some electric guitars, drums, and bass. The acoustic guitars and the vocal are with the Stam SA-67. Everything is EQ'd and compressed to suit the mix. I think it holds up well. I did end up having to deess just a little bit after I EQ'd the vocal, but I probably could've gotten away without any de-essing. I just liked it better with the esses tamed a bit. I haven't tried swapping out the 67 for the Soyuz in this context, but I imagine the Soyuz on acoustic guitars in particular would be nice in this mix. I found the Soyuz overall to be less "relaxed," which might help the acoustic guitars pop out a little more on the sides.
https%3A//soundcloud.com/markwilliams/akron-full-band-stam-sa-67
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Post by timcampbell on Jan 2, 2021 12:40:29 GMT -6
What a terrific version and great, great sound.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 2, 2021 17:53:56 GMT -6
Dang that's good Mark!
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Post by timcampbell on Jan 3, 2021 21:03:23 GMT -6
I never was a fan of a bright , jangly acoustic sound found on a lot of modern stuff. On it's own it's dramatic but in a mix top end determines nearness. The more top an instrument has in a vocal song, the more top the voice must have to maintain intimacy or cut through.
I always prefer bronze wound strings to that fizzy phosphur bronze sound we've all gotten used to.
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Post by Ward on Jan 6, 2021 7:30:17 GMT -6
I never was a fan of a bright , jangly acoustic sound found on a lot of modern stuff. On it's own it's dramatic but in a mix top end determines nearness. The more top an instrument has in a vocal song, the more top the voice must have to maintain intimacy or cut through.
I always prefer bronze wound strings to that fizzy phosphur bronze sound we've all gotten used to.
Have you tried the D'Addario Nickel-wound strings yet?
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Post by plinker on Jan 6, 2021 8:59:02 GMT -6
I never was a fan of a bright , jangly acoustic sound found on a lot of modern stuff. On it's own it's dramatic but in a mix top end determines nearness. The more top an instrument has in a vocal song, the more top the voice must have to maintain intimacy or cut through.
I always prefer bronze wound strings to that fizzy phosphur bronze sound we've all gotten used to.
Have you tried the D'Addario Nickel-wound strings yet? NICKEL!
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Post by timcampbell on Jan 6, 2021 9:20:55 GMT -6
I never was a fan of a bright , jangly acoustic sound found on a lot of modern stuff. On it's own it's dramatic but in a mix top end determines nearness. The more top an instrument has in a vocal song, the more top the voice must have to maintain intimacy or cut through.
I always prefer bronze wound strings to that fizzy phosphur bronze sound we've all gotten used to.
Have you tried the D'Addario Nickel-wound strings yet? Well of course I have used their nickel wound electric strings but on acoustics I prefer pure bronze strings. I'm old fashion haha
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Post by kcatthedog on Jan 6, 2021 9:42:10 GMT -6
They have a new treated Acoustic string, a nice balanced sound, certainly recommend trying !
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Post by Ward on Jan 7, 2021 6:37:25 GMT -6
Have you tried the D'Addario Nickel-wound strings yet? Well of course I have used their nickel wound electric strings but on acoustics I prefer pure bronze strings. I'm old fashion haha Sorry, Nickel-Bronze acoustic strings. Absolutely INCREDIBLE
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Post by stam on Jan 8, 2021 13:09:33 GMT -6
I have to say I really dig the Soyuz here
Amazing sound for a fet microphone
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Post by the other mark williams on Jan 8, 2021 14:06:59 GMT -6
I have to say I really dig the Soyuz here Amazing sound for a fet microphone Josh, that most recent SoundCloud clip (a few posts up from this) is your SA-67, just to be clear. You did a really great job on it.
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Post by ragan on Jan 8, 2021 16:10:37 GMT -6
OK, here's the same "Youngstown" clip, but I finally found some time last night to add some electric guitars, drums, and bass. The acoustic guitars and the vocal are with the Stam SA-67. Everything is EQ'd and compressed to suit the mix. I think it holds up well. I did end up having to deess just a little bit after I EQ'd the vocal, but I probably could've gotten away without any de-essing. I just liked it better with the esses tamed a bit. I haven't tried swapping out the 67 for the Soyuz in this context, but I imagine the Soyuz on acoustic guitars in particular would be nice in this mix. I found the Soyuz overall to be less "relaxed," which might help the acoustic guitars pop out a little more on the sides. https%3A//soundcloud.com/markwilliams/akron-full-band-stam-sa-67Sounds really nice, Mark. So engaging. Most of it is your singin' but that SA-67 is certainly presenting it very well.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Jan 9, 2021 9:23:21 GMT -6
What reverb and delay dd you use on the band version Mark?
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Post by the other mark williams on Jan 9, 2021 12:41:57 GMT -6
What reverb and delay dd you use on the band version Mark? oooh boy - bits and pieces of a lot of things. In varying degrees, I used: - LiquidSonics Cinematic Rooms
- PhoenixVerb
- ValhallaShimmer
- Pulsar Echorec
- D16 Repeater
- Soundtoys Echoboy
- Cinematic Rooms (different instance and settings)
- VerbSuite Classics
Mostly on busses. No one track is being sent to every effect bus. Some instruments are sent to one effect bus, some are sent to multiple. The vocal is sent to the most different things. EDIT: Oh, and I just remembered: The electric guitar I played through my Strymon Timeline, so that's where its main delay is coming from.
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