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Post by teejay on Oct 25, 2020 17:53:50 GMT -6
Have been demoing some mics and thought you all might like to hear the comparisons. I have yet to see something posted with both FleA 47 and Heiserman, so hopefully this will be of some benefit to you. NOTE: This is the FleA 47 NEXT.I've had several members here be of tremendous help as I've been going through the process, from mic recommendations, to helping with mixes, to providing valuable feedback. I cannot thank each of them enough. Wanted to give the broader audience here the same opportunity to hear. FYI that I threw in my ADK Z-251 as well since I already own that one. ***These are "in the mix" samples.*** www.dropbox.com/sh/2vit13o9blmnzne/AACML7Ydu1FJh-_Xgr0in2jfa?dl=0If you have the time to listen, please let me know what you think in the poll. You are allowed two responses, so if you can pick one from each song that would be great! NOTE: The "mix2" versions are eq'd differently but otherwise the same songs. TJ |
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Post by mike on Oct 25, 2020 18:31:14 GMT -6
Thanks Todd, .......the Flea 47 in these clips is one with their M7(F7) capsule and not their k47 correct ?
Thanks and well done
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Post by tkaitkai on Oct 25, 2020 18:54:01 GMT -6
This is super cool and sounds fantastic. Thanks for sharing this.
The Hesierman is really impressive here. I think I like the M7 more on your voice. The ADK is really nice, too — I can definitely see why you like it. It's a toss up between those two for me.
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Post by OtisGreying on Oct 25, 2020 19:02:33 GMT -6
Any chance you have the "mix 2" versions of "Living" w/ the Flea 47 & M7? I like those mixes better, in context of a better (imo) mix I feel its somewhat easier to tell where each stands.
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Post by teejay on Oct 25, 2020 19:13:17 GMT -6
Thanks Todd, .......the Flea 47 in these clips is one with their M7(F7) capsule and not their k47 correct ? Thanks and well done Yes, Mike...FleA 47 Next with M7/F7, not their K47. |
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Post by teejay on Oct 25, 2020 19:14:59 GMT -6
Any chance you have the "mix 2" versions of "Living" w/ the Flea 47 & M7? I like those mixes better, in context of a better (imo) mix I feel its somewhat easier to tell where each stands. At the moment it's just those two that were done. UPDATE: The other two have been added. |
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Post by Vincent R. on Oct 25, 2020 21:03:17 GMT -6
I really liked the Heiserman with the K47 cap, but I also liked the FleA47. They are different. The FleA is just a bit more vintage sounding. I didn’t dislike the Heiserman with the M7, and if you were going for a Sinatra kind of thing that would really be nice. The ADK does its own thing, but I I like it. It’s a good contrast to the others.
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Post by drbill on Oct 25, 2020 21:07:06 GMT -6
I've been using the Heiserman H47T with M7 cap for EDM / Pop styled vocals all week. Male and Female. It's been fantastic. Sometimes a little TOO big for doubles / triples, but for the leads, stellar.
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Post by bricejchandler on Oct 26, 2020 3:39:50 GMT -6
I really don't get the Flea sound.
That dip around 4/5k just always sounds odd to me.
I know a lot of people like the Fleas, but I hear that sound in every single one of their Neumannish mics and I've never heard anything close to resembling that sound on a real U47.
I still really like the ADK on your voice!!
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Post by Vincent R. on Oct 26, 2020 4:45:31 GMT -6
Any chance you have the "mix 2" versions of "Living" w/ the Flea 47 & M7? I like those mixes better, in context of a better (imo) mix I feel its somewhat easier to tell where each stands. They are in there now. |
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Post by Ward on Oct 26, 2020 9:18:02 GMT -6
I really don't get the Flea sound. That dip around 4/5k just always sounds odd to me. Well your ears work! |
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Post by bricejchandler on Oct 26, 2020 14:25:52 GMT -6
I really don't get the Flea sound. That dip around 4/5k just always sounds odd to me. Well your ears work! People seem to really love that sound though. I'd love to get a U47ish microphone and I see a lot of Fleas for good prices over here in the EU but the samples I've heard don't really make me even want to bother trying one out. The Heiserman definitely sounds more like a U47 to me. |
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Post by OtisGreying on Oct 26, 2020 17:38:24 GMT -6
People seem to really love that sound though. I'd love to get a U47ish microphone and I see a lot of Fleas for good prices over here in the EU but the samples I've heard don't really make me even want to bother trying one out. The Heiserman definitely sounds more like a U47 to me. I assume this is mostly just the tuning of Flea's M7 capsule? Wondering how a Heiserman capsule would sound in my Flea now.....
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Post by chessparov on Oct 26, 2020 19:13:35 GMT -6
Like a Fleaserman.
Chris
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Post by drbill on Oct 26, 2020 19:19:25 GMT -6
Or a HeiserFleA.....
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Post by chessparov on Oct 26, 2020 19:35:19 GMT -6
"Hey wait a minute" "It's your Flea, in my Heiserman". "No, it's your Heiserman in my Flea". And thus the "Chocolate Peanut Buttercup" of Premium Microphones, was born. And even John Eppstein Saw It Was Good. Similar to the Out of Wedlock union, of the U47 and C12! AKA the 251.  Chris |
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Post by OtisGreying on Oct 26, 2020 19:38:03 GMT -6
The Almighty Heifleasman 47
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Post by teejay on Oct 26, 2020 20:16:53 GMT -6
Ha! You guys crack me up! Glad to see with all the challenges of the times discussed in these forums lately that people still have a sense of humor. We need that about now. And no, I'm not adding the "Reese's" of microphones to the poll. |
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Post by bluegrassdan on Oct 26, 2020 21:26:07 GMT -6
Here are my thoughts. Disclaimer: I haven’t read a single comment except for that of the original poster.
With the Heiserman/M7 your voice blends in with the music nicely. This is the one for you.
Your “singer’s formant” overtone presence is over emphasized with the KH47 capsule.
You sound like you emailed your vocal track to someone else.
The Flea sounds pretty much as I know a Flea to sound. It doesn’t really flatter your voice.
The ADK is sibilant and unnatural.
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Post by chessparov on Oct 26, 2020 21:47:34 GMT -6
I listened to all of them and the Heiserman M7 for your voice Todd... Reminds me of "George Jones". Here's why... Johnny Cash was asked, who he thought the greatest Country Singer is. He said... "Other than George Jones?" Chris P.S. You sound great on it Todd!  |
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Post by OtisGreying on Oct 26, 2020 22:35:33 GMT -6
Here are my thoughts. Disclaimer: I haven’t read a single comment except for that of the original poster. With the Heiserman/M7 your voice blends in with the music nicely. This is the one for you. Your “singer’s formant” overtone presence is over emphasized with the KH47 capsule. You sound like you emailed your vocal track to someone else. The Flea sounds pretty much as I know a Flea to sound. It doesn’t really flatter your voice. The ADK is sibilant and unnatural. bluegrassdan, how would you describe the difference in the Flea? I'm A/Bing quite a few shootouts with the Flea 47 vs the original and tele versions (&this heiserman) found online... It seems to be ever so slightly telephonic compared to the others. Edit: Mellower I guess is how I would describe it. Seems the Heiserman has more presence in the mix. |
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Post by bricejchandler on Oct 27, 2020 1:52:53 GMT -6
Here are my thoughts. Disclaimer: I haven’t read a single comment except for that of the original poster. With the Heiserman/M7 your voice blends in with the music nicely. This is the one for you. Your “singer’s formant” overtone presence is over emphasized with the KH47 capsule. You sound like you emailed your vocal track to someone else. The Flea sounds pretty much as I know a Flea to sound. It doesn’t really flatter your voice. The ADK is sibilant and unnatural. bluegrassdan, how would you describe the difference in the Flea? I'm A/Bing quite a few shootouts with the Flea 47 vs the original and tele versions (&this heiserman) found online... It seems to be ever so slightly telephonic compared to the others. Edit: Mellower I guess is how I would describe it. Seems the Heiserman has more presence in the mix. i'm not bluegrassdan, but every Flea I've heard sounds like it's going through Altiverb Speakerphone, weirdly filtered and it's not subtle. I've never heard a well maintained U47 sound like that. I could definitely see that sound being useful, it's got an interesting cut and vibe for some things, but I would not want that sound over everything but then my tastes are different, I think the ADK sounds great but apparently I'm the only one! Edit: I'd only listened the Mix one , On mix2 the Heiserman M7 sounds awesome and the ADK sounds too bright and a bit hard. I still think the more natural Mix1 of the ADK sounds fabulous. |
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Post by OtisGreying on Oct 27, 2020 2:18:41 GMT -6
bluegrassdan, how would you describe the difference in the Flea? I'm A/Bing quite a few shootouts with the Flea 47 vs the original and tele versions (&this heiserman) found online... It seems to be ever so slightly telephonic compared to the others. Edit: Mellower I guess is how I would describe it. Seems the Heiserman has more presence in the mix. i'm not bluegrassdan, but every Flea I've heard sounds like it's going through Altiverb Speakerphone, weirdly filtered and it's not subtle. I've never heard a well maintained U47 sound like that. I could definitely see that sound being useful, it's got an interesting cut and vibe for some things, but I would not want that sound over everything but then my tastes are different, I think the ADK sounds great but apparently I'm the only one! Edit: I'd only listened the Mix one , On mix2 the Heiserman M7 sounds awesome and the ADK sounds too bright and a bit hard. I still think the more natural Mix1 of the ADK sounds fabulous. I feel its pretty subtle, but I agree its there. I own a Flea 47. I tend to not care as my mixes progress and the slight difference in the frequency response disappears more and more, especially if you adjust for it. Would be interesting if it wasn't there though I wonder how the Flea would sound bare unprocessed, probably identical to a vintage 47 cause thats the only difference I hear. In any case, it still sounds great. I do however slightly prefer the Heiserman in most of OP's particular examples for his voice. |
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Post by bricejchandler on Oct 27, 2020 2:37:12 GMT -6
i'm not bluegrassdan, but every Flea I've heard sounds like it's going through Altiverb Speakerphone, weirdly filtered and it's not subtle. I've never heard a well maintained U47 sound like that. I could definitely see that sound being useful, it's got an interesting cut and vibe for some things, but I would not want that sound over everything but then my tastes are different, I think the ADK sounds great but apparently I'm the only one! Edit: I'd only listened the Mix one , On mix2 the Heiserman M7 sounds awesome and the ADK sounds too bright and a bit hard. I still think the more natural Mix1 of the ADK sounds fabulous. I feel its pretty subtle, but I agree its there. I own a Flea 47. I tend to not care as my mixes progress and the slight difference in the frequency response disappears more and more, especially if you adjust for it. Would be interesting if it wasn't there though I wonder how the Flea would sound bare unprocessed, probably identical to a vintage 47 cause thats the only difference I hear. In any case, it still sounds great. I do however slightly prefer the Heiserman in most of OP's particular examples for his voice. Yeah I don't know where that sounds comes from, and it's consistent over their Neumann range, the 49 has that thing too. I know a lot of people are really happy with the Fleas, it's probably the best selling 47 clone so they're definiteyly doing something right. I remember when I had my CM7, I lent it to a friend who had the Flea and he liked the Flea way better, thought it sounded warmer, he sent me the tracks and I thought the Flea sounded muffled and lacked clarity compared to the Wunder...whatever works! |
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Post by rowmat on Oct 27, 2020 4:12:03 GMT -6
I feel its pretty subtle, but I agree its there. I own a Flea 47. I tend to not care as my mixes progress and the slight difference in the frequency response disappears more and more, especially if you adjust for it. Would be interesting if it wasn't there though I wonder how the Flea would sound bare unprocessed, probably identical to a vintage 47 cause thats the only difference I hear. In any case, it still sounds great. I do however slightly prefer the Heiserman in most of OP's particular examples for his voice. Yeah I don't know where that sounds comes from, and it's consistent over their Neumann range, the 49 has that thing too. I know a lot of people are really happy with the Fleas, it's probably the best selling 47 clone so they're definiteyly doing something right. I remember when I had my CM7, I lent it to a friend who had the Flea and he liked the Flea way better, thought it sounded warmer, he sent me the tracks and I thought the Flea sounded muffled and lacked clarity compared to the Wunder...whatever works! I spent an hour A/B testing a Wunder CM7 against a Flea 47 (M7/EF12) and preferred the Flea. I wasn't partial to the way the CM7 rendered sibilance. It was a little too edgy for my taste. I ended up buyng the Flea.
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