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Post by ericn on Oct 25, 2020 19:07:49 GMT -6
This is the world we're living in now. Music is pretty much free, and younger artists are encouraging their friends to add them to their spotify playlists and then bragging about 1000 or 10,000 plays. It results in nothing. Imagine you were we working as a server at The Outback and your tips were "man, you're doing a great job, I like your service". At the end of the day, you can't afford to buy a drink where you're working, but hey, 1000 people liked your service today. Imagine as a customer, when the check comes, you look at your server and say "great job tonight, what's your facebook page so I can give you guys a like." I thought about setting up a friends and family playlist for when devices are just sitting there to generate some revenue for those we care about. I then did the math and even with all our devices playing it 24/7 it would at best generate pennies.
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Post by ericn on Oct 25, 2020 19:12:14 GMT -6
Yes. As well, my wife listens to a lot of playlists, and I hear songs I like in the background. I have no idea what it is or how to find it again. I have songs in playlists I’ve heard a hundred times and still really like, and I couldn’t tell you the artist or title because I’ve barely ever seen that info. We’re making and selling wallpaper, that’s the department we’ve been moved to. You know, I'm certain that I'm still a complete outlier, compared to most of the population, but I still almost exclusively listen to music (vinyl, CD, streaming) in the album format. By that, I mean that I typically only listen to albums, front to back. I seldom do singles or playlists. I do this, to such a point, that I often don't even know the names of a lot of the songs on most of my favorite albums. But, like I said, I'm sure I'm an outlier... A ton of people consume music pretty much as background noise these days, unfortunately. Which would, in a certain way, still be okay if streaming actually paid anything. But it doesn't. Granted, the "best" way to consume art is to actually sit down and respectfully give it your full attention, but a stream would still be a stream and help to pay the bills if, again, it actually paid anything. None of this will ever change unless someone comes up with a way to actually get artists what they are truly owed for their work. I try to consume in the album format, but it’s really hard to not skip around on a lot of the more modern releases. Today at brunch we discussing the low quality of most modern albums and I couldn’t help but bring up the fact that in the good old days the label would have insisted on a number of tracks that were written by song writers with a track record.
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Post by mike on Oct 25, 2020 19:21:38 GMT -6
I just wanted to add my voice in agreement with others here Wiz that I appreciate your music knowing that the state of sales in the current streaming climate is completely a reflection of the times we live in and not the authentic quality of your work Thanks for sharing
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 19:30:51 GMT -6
You know, I'm certain that I'm still a complete outlier, compared to most of the population, but I still almost exclusively listen to music (vinyl, CD, streaming) in the album format. By that, I mean that I typically only listen to albums, front to back. I seldom do singles or playlists. I do this, to such a point, that I often don't even know the names of a lot of the songs on most of my favorite albums. But, like I said, I'm sure I'm an outlier... A ton of people consume music pretty much as background noise these days, unfortunately. Which would, in a certain way, still be okay if streaming actually paid anything. But it doesn't. Granted, the "best" way to consume art is to actually sit down and respectfully give it your full attention, but a stream would still be a stream and help to pay the bills if, again, it actually paid anything. None of this will ever change unless someone comes up with a way to actually get artists what they are truly owed for their work. I try to consume in the album format, but it’s really hard to not skip around on a lot of the more modern releases. Today at brunch we discussing the low quality of most modern albums and I couldn’t help but bring up the fact that in the good old days the label would have insisted on a number of tracks that were written by song writers with a track record. Exactly. I think the decline started in the late 90s. A ton of 70s to early 90s records are good all the way through or only have one stinker, not filler. My theory is that the labels killed the CD single to push full albums with rejected cuts.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 25, 2020 21:46:59 GMT -6
I teach beginner's guitar to kids as one side gig. So I hear directly from young people between 8 and 16 years old. They get music on a streaming service for $10 month. They never buy anything. Everything they ever want to hear is right there. They look at me with a strange look when I mention buying music, like they just don't understand. It's not their fault. The only way for singer/writers to ever make a dollar now would be if streaming services are required by law to pay a mandatory minimum amount to creators. Until then, we're fucked, unless you're 20 years old and can tour. This exactly. Just a reminder also that the Spotify guys made a bunch of cash as pirates first. "After selling Advertigo, Ek briefly became the CEO of μTorrent, working with μTorrent founder Ludvig Strigeus. This ended when μTorrent was sold to BitTorrent on December 7 of 2006. Strigeus would later join Ek as a Spotify developer.[7]" We have let thieves steal all the music, "go legit", and then set the terms for how they will pay the creators pennies, while selling it all back to the world for billions. It wasn't bad enough to give the world Abba and "melodic death metal"; this is just some salt in the wound. So disgusting. Btw - Spotify offered label IPO shares and I believe several of the big ones actually owned around 18% of the company at one point. So, when they were negotiating how they would pay out, they offered the labels 60% of the pie for the owner of the masters if they’d agree to split 10% for publishers and songwriters. So - these labels determined, negotiated and designed the payment system for streaming. We are talking the big four: Sony, Universal, BMG and Warner Bros. They all own most of the publishing in the world too - so they took a hit on the publishing side because they knew by owning the masters they would make 60% off the top. They negotiated payment to their songwriters they had signed to publishing deals IN BAD FAITH with a major conflict of interest. Songwriters have no say in whether thei material is distributed - only the owner of the master recording determines that - so the fact that the labels own the publishers that own the songwriters is a major conflict of interest. It’s criminal.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2020 22:59:22 GMT -6
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Post by mrholmes on Oct 26, 2020 1:50:44 GMT -6
I am not looking for sympathy... but I felt it would be good for me to share this....as I share good things about my music....and honestly I need to get it off my chest. The last album i released , was number 7. I have a pretty good profile in the area I live in...well known...respected. Now I am in regional Australia...so don’t think star,...think local muso... Album sales have been slowly going south....over the last few years. For this album I got more “exposure” than any previous. lots of radio...print etc. My locals sales in shop this time around...... wait for it... 2. that is not a typo. that is between July to now. 2. it’s humiliating. a few years back that would be hundreds locally. 2. I have sold some online and a few in person. I couldn’t buy a round of beers for you guys with the proceeds....and I do everything myself and apart from time doing it I have no overheads. Now I know what a lot of you are going to say.....CD sales blah blah...touring blah blah.... I just need to share it or I am gonna slump..... You guys are my peers and will understand the struggle....sure tomorrow I will dust myself off and go back to the studio.... F;::k I make more money playing poker.... I can feel this but your sales are not you - as a person. Having the talent to write songs, to express feelings. This alone is a thing which I am thankful for. Friends sit from 9 to 5 in an office, sure they make money, but are they happy. IMO many change livetime for money and they suffer from depression. Is there a way to make money from streams. Yes, is it essy...no. Everyone wants to licence to film now its the only way to make solid income. But things are a bit different EU vs USA. I hope things will clear up for you. A virtual hug to you..🤗 Btw. My CD yet did not arrive.
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Post by wiz on Oct 26, 2020 2:56:08 GMT -6
I am not looking for sympathy... but I felt it would be good for me to share this....as I share good things about my music....and honestly I need to get it off my chest. The last album i released , was number 7. I have a pretty good profile in the area I live in...well known...respected. Now I am in regional Australia...so don’t think star,...think local muso... Album sales have been slowly going south....over the last few years. For this album I got more “exposure” than any previous. lots of radio...print etc. My locals sales in shop this time around...... wait for it... 2. that is not a typo. that is between July to now. 2. it’s humiliating. a few years back that would be hundreds locally. 2. I have sold some online and a few in person. I couldn’t buy a round of beers for you guys with the proceeds....and I do everything myself and apart from time doing it I have no overheads. Now I know what a lot of you are going to say.....CD sales blah blah...touring blah blah.... I just need to share it or I am gonna slump..... You guys are my peers and will understand the struggle....sure tomorrow I will dust myself off and go back to the studio.... F;::k I make more money playing poker.... I can feel this but your sales are not you - as a person. Having the talent to write songs, to express feelings. This alone is a thing which I am thankful for. Friends sit from 9 to 5 in an office, sure they make money, but are they happy. IMO many change livetime for money and they suffer from depression. Is there a way to make money from streams. Yes, is it essy...no. Everyone wants to licence to film now its the only way to make solid income. But things are a bit different EU vs USA. I hope things will clear up for you. A virtual hug to you..🤗 Btw. My CD yet did not arrive. Thnks PM Sent about CD (USPS slow) cheers Wiz
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Post by indiehouse on Oct 26, 2020 7:28:01 GMT -6
Years ago, I was at a bar in my hometown having a drink with friends. There was a band playing, young kids. They were decent. I went up during their break to tell them that I dug their sound. They proceeded to tell me that they knew me and watched me play in bands when they were younger, and inspired them to play in a band. Made my day. For me, if I can inspire something, anything, in one person with a song, then it's worth it. I mean, you can't pay your bills with inspiration, but I never tried to go down that road. For what it's worth, wiz , you inspired me countless times. I have been meaning to buy your record. Time is a relentless beast right now. If I buy your record, can you just send me some wav files? No need to ship me a CD halfway across the globe. I don't think I have a CD player anymore. Thanks for the compliment.. of course, pm me... cheers Wiz PM sent!
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Post by indiehouse on Oct 26, 2020 7:31:01 GMT -6
You know, THIS is what I was talking about in that thread about developing some sort of chart here at RGO. I don’t really want there to be competition per se - but maybe that would encourage people to listen...I don’t even know how I could implement something like that...but I do know there are hundreds of thousands of musicians and songwriters like us that feel completely lost and undervalued. Honestly, I look forward to posting my new stuff here because that’s mostly where I get clicks...and nobody else gives. A. Fuck. But this site is no different. And I don’t mean this as an admonishment...but outside of one member who donates $20 a month on and off - to which I’ve told him it’s waaaay too much...(I think he might have it as a recurring payment so I don’t want to look a gift horse in the mouth lol) I’ve probably averaged around $75 total dollars in donations per year since 2013. I don’t bring it up because it’s not really that big a deal...I made this site because I wanted to and it was never about any money. I’ve made a little bit of money on banner ads in the past. Usually ask a company for six months or a year commitment...For the same amount of average ad impressions, Gearslutz was charging 25 times what I charge. And still - absolutely no one is interested. Same amount of impressions. Oh - and that was GS’s rates from like 7 years ago. But just like doing what we do - it’s just too much to do it all. I can’t mentally handle being a songwriter, producer, multi instrumentalist, engineer, publisher, head of a record label, marketing guy, internet guy, web admin, SEO guy - and it goes on and on. It’s too much. I’ve had to just let go and focus on the parts that make me happy. And I’m happier. But if anyone that has the internet marketing skills to blow this site up into a huge money maker content site...and wants to do the work, there’s half Ownership waiting for you lol. I can’t do it all on my own. None of us can. And I've been meaning to chip in to RGO as well! What's the best way to do that? Was there a donations thread at one point?
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 26, 2020 7:51:11 GMT -6
Ya, I did.
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Post by Chad on Oct 26, 2020 8:05:26 GMT -6
wiz , Listening to your tracks on YouTube and things you shared online were inspirational to me. My wife has listened to many of your tracks with me as well, and when she brings up your music in conversation, she always calls you "Little Joe". (Your song "Little Joe" got stuck in her head for a while, and thus, the nickname.) A few years back, before I had discovered this valuable forum (RGO), I reached out to you personally in email, and you were ready to jump on a call with me halfway around the globe to answer my questions. I'm grateful for our interactions, and I'm inspired by the way you live your life to share what's in you – whether that's the music itself, or sharing the processes and toolsets you've used to make the music.
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Post by Omicron9 on Oct 26, 2020 8:16:17 GMT -6
Yes. As well, my wife listens to a lot of playlists, and I hear songs I like in the background. I have no idea what it is or how to find it again. I have songs in playlists I’ve heard a hundred times and still really like, and I couldn’t tell you the artist or title because I’ve barely ever seen that info. We’re making and selling wallpaper, that’s the department we’ve been moved to. You know, I'm certain that I'm still a complete outlier, compared to most of the population, but I still almost exclusively listen to music (vinyl, CD, streaming) in the album format. By that, I mean that I typically only listen to albums, front to back. I seldom do singles or playlists. I do this, to such a point, that I often don't even know the names of a lot of the songs on most of my favorite albums. But, like I said, I'm sure I'm an outlier... A ton of people consume music pretty much as background noise these days, unfortunately. Which would, in a certain way, still be okay if streaming actually paid anything. But it doesn't. Granted, the "best" way to consume art is to actually sit down and respectfully give it your full attention, but a stream would still be a stream and help to pay the bills if, again, it actually paid anything. None of this will ever change unless someone comes up with a way to actually get artists what they are truly owed for their work. +1. I don't listen to anything streaming. I still buy CDs; hardly a week goes by that a CD doesn't arrive in the mail. I want to believe there are others out there like me, but..... I have purchased a few download-only albums (bandcamp, etc.), but only when there's no CD available for that title. -09
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Post by mcirish on Oct 26, 2020 9:46:51 GMT -6
Great, but depressing topic. It really is kind of the cold bucket of water in the face. I too have been wrestling with this for years. I started out in bands in the 80's and sold cassettes back then. My band at this point (Shadowfields) has put out 6 Cd's. We are working on our 7th, but may just release it all as singles with videos. I have watched over the last ten years how sales and royalties have been dwindling. I used to get royalty checks a couple times a year. Last year I think it was $56. That's depressing. Like everyone here, we put a lot of effort and money in to each new album. A typical new album gets released on CD and streaming. The CDs can be very good $$ when touring, or at least they used to be. Many people will buy something at a show so CDs and merch are still important. Unfortunately, Covid has ended any ability to tour, so that's moot. In reality, we really only went out for about a month on and off over a year. It was great to meet new people and make connections and see the US and Canada. A lot of people we have met are also struggling artists. It's been good to encourage one another. Lately, I've had some sobering conversations with a few musician friends that are still holding onto the hope that they will "make it" one day. Back in the 70s-90s it was sort of possible, though mostly short lived. Today, I don't think that it's realistic.
I think as streaming has destroyed any chance to make a living as an artist, we have to re-think what "making it" looks like. My songwriting partner and I have often spoke of this. What defines success for you? We determined that having the ability to write, record, promote and travel as often as possible is OUR success. Notice I didn't mention money. I think that money can no longer play a part in success as an artist. I know you can still make money playing in a wedding/cover band but that has never been of interest to me. The process of creation is the big payoff. Taking an idea from nothing to a full production is very fulfilling on it's own. The hope is that people will like what we do but it can't be the sole purpose. As Wiz has seen, you can't equate value with a dollar sign. I think we continue our musical endeavors because that is WHO WE ARE, regardless of the fact that streaming has destroyed any chance of creating a sustainable income.
I do like John's idea of a chart or just some simple way to share productions with the greater forum in some easy way. A playlist with popup links for credits, engineering notes, lyrics, etc would be pretty cool. Our numbers here are not huge but we might be able to encourage one another. I'm afraid my web skills are not on that level to pull it off though.
BTW- I only listen to full albums. I like to get the full journey of what an artist is trying to say over the course of an entire album. I still can't understand how people can ever listen to music as background noise.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 26, 2020 10:23:12 GMT -6
You know, THIS is what I was talking about in that thread about developing some sort of chart here at RGO. I don’t really want there to be competition per se - but maybe that would encourage people to listen...I don’t even know how I could implement something like that...but I do know there are hundreds of thousands of musicians and songwriters like us that feel completely lost and undervalued. Honestly, I look forward to posting my new stuff here because that’s mostly where I get clicks...and nobody else gives. A. Fuck. But this site is no different. And I don’t mean this as an admonishment...but outside of one member who donates $20 a month on and off - to which I’ve told him it’s waaaay too much...(I think he might have it as a recurring payment so I don’t want to look a gift horse in the mouth lol) I’ve probably averaged around $75 total dollars in donations per year since 2013. I don’t bring it up because it’s not really that big a deal...I made this site because I wanted to and it was never about any money. I’ve made a little bit of money on banner ads in the past. Usually ask a company for six months or a year commitment...For the same amount of average ad impressions, Gearslutz was charging 25 times what I charge. And still - absolutely no one is interested. Same amount of impressions. Oh - and that was GS’s rates from like 7 years ago. But just like doing what we do - it’s just too much to do it all. I can’t mentally handle being a songwriter, producer, multi instrumentalist, engineer, publisher, head of a record label, marketing guy, internet guy, web admin, SEO guy - and it goes on and on. It’s too much. I’ve had to just let go and focus on the parts that make me happy. And I’m happier. But if anyone that has the internet marketing skills to blow this site up into a huge money maker content site...and wants to do the work, there’s half Ownership waiting for you lol. I can’t do it all on my own. None of us can. And I've been meaning to chip in to RGO as well! What's the best way to do that? Was there a donations thread at one point? If you view the site on a computer, their should be a donate button on top and the bottom. If you’re on a mobile device, scroll all the way to the bottom and click on “desktop.” Then you will see the donate buttons at the top and bottom.
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Post by christopher on Oct 26, 2020 10:24:11 GMT -6
This exactly. Just a reminder also that the Spotify guys made a bunch of cash as pirates first. "After selling Advertigo, Ek briefly became the CEO of μTorrent, working with μTorrent founder Ludvig Strigeus. This ended when μTorrent was sold to BitTorrent on December 7 of 2006. Strigeus would later join Ek as a Spotify developer.[7]" We have let thieves steal all the music, "go legit", and then set the terms for how they will pay the creators pennies, while selling it all back to the world for billions. It wasn't bad enough to give the world Abba and "melodic death metal"; this is just some salt in the wound. The real pisser is that they TOLD US IN ADVANCE that their intention was to destroy the music industry.
What I'd like to see (but will never happen) is for all of us to file a class action suit, take ALL their money, and destroy their business.
Yeah, I watched Erin Brockovitch on TV last weekend. Twice.
Now that Apple HQ is done, there’s only so many entrances and exits. If musicians cared enough they could easily protest and cause a huge stir. It’s right along the busiest freeway, so if a rally closed that it will get attention. Nobody would be able to get to Facebook, Google, etc.. Imagine if all the star power united in person with their instagrams? You would need that publicity because might as well protest the king. They’d send pings of death to everyone’s iPhone and probably blacklist each person for life best case. Local news would be nowhere. It would have to be a huge deal. Security is made up of cops (or scarier), so the PD would be against you. Local politics and local news are deep in the pockets, they’d be against you. So unless it’s huge it won’t be covered. But it’s fun to imagine !
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Post by indiehouse on Oct 26, 2020 10:39:43 GMT -6
Great, but depressing topic. It really is kind of the cold bucket of water in the face. I too have been wrestling with this for years. I started out in bands in the 80's and sold cassettes back then. My band at this point (Shadowfields) has put out 6 Cd's. We are working on our 7th, but may just release it all as singles with videos. I have watched over the last ten years how sales and royalties have been dwindling. I used to get royalty checks a couple times a year. Last year I think it was $56. That's depressing. Like everyone here, we put a lot of effort and money in to each new album. A typical new album gets released on CD and streaming. The CDs can be very good $$ when touring, or at least they used to be. Many people will buy something at a show so CDs and merch are still important. Unfortunately, Covid has ended any ability to tour, so that's moot. In reality, we really only went out for about a month on and off over a year. It was great to meet new people and make connections and see the US and Canada. A lot of people we have met are also struggling artists. It's been good to encourage one another. Lately, I've had some sobering conversations with a few musician friends that are still holding onto the hope that they will "make it" one day. Back in the 70s-90s it was sort of possible, though mostly short lived. Today, I don't think that it's realistic. I think as streaming has destroyed any chance to make a living as an artist, we have to re-think what "making it" looks like. My songwriting partner and I have often spoke of this. What defines success for you? We determined that having the ability to write, record, promote and travel as often as possible is OUR success. Notice I didn't mention money. I think that money can no longer play a part in success as an artist. I know you can still make money playing in a wedding/cover band but that has never been of interest to me. The process of creation is the big payoff. Taking an idea from nothing to a full production is very fulfilling on it's own. The hope is that people will like what we do but it can't be the sole purpose. As Wiz has seen, you can't equate value with a dollar sign. I think we continue our musical endeavors because that is WHO WE ARE, regardless of the fact that streaming has destroyed any chance of creating a sustainable income. I do like John's idea of a chart or just some simple way to share productions with the greater forum in some easy way. A playlist with popup links for credits, engineering notes, lyrics, etc would be pretty cool. Our numbers here are not huge but we might be able to encourage one another. I'm afraid my web skills are not on that level to pull it off though. BTW- I only listen to full albums. I like to get the full journey of what an artist is trying to say over the course of an entire album. I still can't understand how people can ever listen to music as background noise. Dude, you and I are of the same mind. Creating something out of nothing is just amazing to me. That creative process is a drive that is inherent in me. It's always there. The flipside is that it doesn't make money, and money is a necessity to live. So, I have to do things with my time, other than create music, to get that money. And that eats up my time and leaves little left for music. Young kids and other family matters also take time. There is practically nothing left. But that drive is still there. Depressing.
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Post by indiehouse on Oct 26, 2020 10:42:09 GMT -6
And I've been meaning to chip in to RGO as well! What's the best way to do that? Was there a donations thread at one point? If you view the site on a computer, their should be a donate button on top and the bottom. If you’re on a mobile device, scroll all the way to the bottom and click on “desktop.” Then you will see the donate buttons at the top and bottom. Done. I'll try and donate more often.
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Post by Guitar on Oct 26, 2020 10:47:00 GMT -6
If you ever want to get really depressed don't listen to any music or pick up any instruments for a week. It's surprising to me, the hole that it leaves in its absence. There's that saying that your passion chooses you, rather than you choosing your passion. Or profession. Which would explain why so many of us are still doing this despite the odds and circumstances.
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Post by Ward on Oct 26, 2020 11:58:42 GMT -6
wiz , Listening to your tracks on YouTube and things you shared online were inspirational to me. My wife has listened to many of your tracks with me as well, and when she brings up your music in conversation, she always calls you "Little Joe". (Your song "Little Joe" got stuck in her head for a while, and thus, the nickname.) A few years back, before I had discovered this valuable forum (RGO), I reached out to you personally in email, and you were ready to jump on a call with me halfway around the globe to answer my questions. I'm grateful for our interactions, and I'm inspired by the way you live your life to share what's in you – whether that's the music itself, or sharing the processes and toolsets you've used to make the music. Where's the "love" button for this post?
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Post by indiehouse on Oct 26, 2020 12:08:42 GMT -6
If you ever want to get really depressed don't listen to any music or pick up any instruments for a week. It's surprising to me, the hole that it leaves in its absence. Welcome to my life.
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Post by indiehouse on Oct 26, 2020 12:45:50 GMT -6
Hey wiz, I asked this in my PM to you, but are you on Bandcamp? I just got an email that they are waiving their revenue share again next Friday. I dig Bandcamp.
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Post by matt@IAA on Oct 26, 2020 12:50:03 GMT -6
Blockchain was developed to make digital currency (Bitcoin specifically) work, but it can be used for anything. It's essentially a secure open ledger, where each transaction is confirmed by the whole network and becomes a part of the next. This is going to affect nearly every industry. For example, I do some work in power. Part of the challenge of distributed power (like - user-level solar cells and batteries) is balancing their activity with the grid to keep frequency / voltage stable. With blockchain the grid can "ping" all known nodes and there can be a bid/ask to turn on/off, once a minute. Each on transaction would be matched to an off, for distributed native balancing, but working exactly how the financial markets work (every buyer is matched with a trader). These transactions are recorded in the blockchain, and then once a month or day or whatever there's a settle-up for the net power "sale" or "buy". Another way to do this is with smart contracts. It basically sets up a digital vending machine where the terms and content are provided by one signer, and anyone who interacts correctly with the contract (i.e., buy + sign) gets the object. There's a lot of nice here - it requires no middleman, its anonymous, it's secure, its efficient.
The major tie-in to music is in this mode distribution. You can set up the digital vending machine for your content, anyone can buy, and as soon as the stream or purchase happens the artist is paid. Instantly, and directly. It can solve some of the trickiness of royalty splits, and there's even people trying to set up digital royalty trading markets - basically allowing artists to crowdfund content creation using the same free market mechanisms that businesses use to raise capital.
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Post by EmRR on Oct 26, 2020 13:21:16 GMT -6
Blockchain was developed to make digital currency (Bitcoin specifically) work, but it can be used for anything. Depressing to think I heard someone speak at TapeOpCon in 2004 about something that was essentially blockchain and how it could be the answer to music piracy and payments. Very convincing argument, yet the industry wasn't interested, and here we are.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 26, 2020 14:02:39 GMT -6
If you view the site on a computer, their should be a donate button on top and the bottom. If you’re on a mobile device, scroll all the way to the bottom and click on “desktop.” Then you will see the donate buttons at the top and bottom. Done. I'll try and donate more often. Thanks, man...
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