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Waves
Oct 19, 2020 19:54:08 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 19, 2020 19:54:08 GMT -6
I have some waves plugs I never use that have all lapsed or what term waves uses for me not to be able to use them.
I have never wuped and won’t, but I thought you could still use your plugs ?
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Waves
Oct 19, 2020 20:08:43 GMT -6
Post by aremos on Oct 19, 2020 20:08:43 GMT -6
Of course ... for years on end. Always make sure all the rest of your OS & DAW stay compatible.
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Waves
Oct 19, 2020 20:12:56 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 19, 2020 20:12:56 GMT -6
Thx, So my daw and OS are current, so Waves has updates on its website somewhere I can download ?
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Post by geoff738 on Oct 19, 2020 20:37:51 GMT -6
Not in my experience. Which is why I no longer do Waves. Some here will know better than I but Ithink if you can get an older version of Waves central to work some of the plugs may come back.
But that’s my experience. Upgraded OS and lost a whack load of Waves plugs. Never to return.
Hopefully I’m just clueless how this works. I believed them to be lifetime licences unless they upgraded them.
Cheers, Geoff
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Post by the other mark williams on Oct 19, 2020 20:38:30 GMT -6
Thx, So my daw and OS are current, so Waves has updates on its website somewhere I can download ? What version(s) of Waves plugs are you running? As long as the version you currently have work in your OS and DAW version, your plugs will be fine. The problem starts when the version of one's Waves plugs won't run in one's DAW or on one's OS. This happened to me over a several year period until I finally WUPped last year to get everything back.
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Post by tasteliketape on Oct 19, 2020 20:43:10 GMT -6
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Post by geoff738 on Oct 19, 2020 20:48:38 GMT -6
Will add that I’m on a Mac running Logic, both of which get upgraded for free fairly often. Whether those upgrades are always for the better may be subject to debate, but keeping current does not always work well with the Waves business model in my experience. Unless I’m doing something wrong. Which is entirely possible.
Cheers, Geoff
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Post by ragan on Oct 19, 2020 21:00:47 GMT -6
I got tired of keeping track of it and have just abandoned ~15 Waves plugs. I've never paid for WUP and probably won't ever do it. With the constant fire sales I'll occasionally buy a fresh license of something I already own since it's cheaper than WUP'ing everything. Mostly WUP just means I stopped considering Waves to be an option. Most/all of their plugs have been superseded by other stuff that I think sounds better and has no WUP to deal with every 18 months or whatever.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2020 23:32:43 GMT -6
I ditched their stuff because it sounded worse than the alternatives. They never update the sound with WUP. I reinstalled the Kramer Tape, Tubes, and Turds pack recently and uninstalled it. I still think the Kramer HLS and Kramer Tape are pretty cool for native stuff but nobody needs those sounds, those plugs have Waves' standard grit and noise, and those plugs aren't very flexible. The Cow Pie compressor in the same package is instant plastic drum kit to me. It took me longer to uninstall it and delete all the waveshells and folders than I spent reliving my disappointment in plugins I never used on a mix.
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Waves
Oct 20, 2020 1:01:44 GMT -6
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 20, 2020 1:01:44 GMT -6
Thx, you are all saying what I found and why I too stopped using and buying waves: thx!
I’ve been on a roll selling a lot of stuff, maybe I’ll just buy an OB bla bluey !
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Waves
Oct 20, 2020 1:58:09 GMT -6
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Post by mrholmes on Oct 20, 2020 1:58:09 GMT -6
+1 Waves never again there are easier to deal with companies. I wrote them and asked how I can get my SSL bundle running again without paying damn WUP - No ANSWER.
I enjoy dealing with plugin alliance.
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Post by svart on Oct 20, 2020 13:00:46 GMT -6
You can download the master installer package for V10 or V11 and just keep that. Anytime you need to reinstall you can just use the Central app and install from the older package if you want to use older plugs with older licenses.
I just paid maybe 5$ per plug to update all of mine to V11 licenses even though I only have V10 plugs on win7. I don't plan on updating them for years, if ever. once I move to the new computer I'm going to simply keep the V10 and V11 installers saved somewhere.
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Waves
Oct 20, 2020 16:30:24 GMT -6
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Post by mrholmes on Oct 20, 2020 16:30:24 GMT -6
You can download the master installer package for V10 or V11 and just keep that. Anytime you need to reinstall you can just use the Central app and install from the older package if you want to use older plugs with older licenses. I just paid maybe 5$ per plug to update all of mine to V11 licenses even though I only have V10 plugs on win7. I don't plan on updating them for years, if ever. once I move to the new computer I'm going to simply keep the V10 and V11 installers saved somewhere. Do I understand this right. I can buy a cheap one which runs under V10 or V11 and my older plug ins will work again?
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Post by svart on Oct 20, 2020 17:19:57 GMT -6
You can download the master installer package for V10 or V11 and just keep that. Anytime you need to reinstall you can just use the Central app and install from the older package if you want to use older plugs with older licenses. I just paid maybe 5$ per plug to update all of mine to V11 licenses even though I only have V10 plugs on win7. I don't plan on updating them for years, if ever. once I move to the new computer I'm going to simply keep the V10 and V11 installers saved somewhere. Do I understand this right. I can buy a cheap one which runs under V10 or V11 and my older plug ins will work again? What version plugs did you have? You can get installers for 9.2 (or something around there) and later still. If you had v10 you should still be able to use them. The licenses don't expire, but you can't use newer versions without paying to update. If you bought v11 licenses you can use them on v10 plugs too.
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Waves
Oct 21, 2020 5:01:21 GMT -6
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Post by mrholmes on Oct 21, 2020 5:01:21 GMT -6
Do I understand this right. I can buy a cheap one which runs under V10 or V11 and my older plug ins will work again? What version plugs did you have? You can get installers for 9.2 (or something around there) and later still. If you had v10 you should still be able to use them. The licenses don't expire, but you can't use newer versions without paying to update. If you bought v11 licenses you can use them on v10 plugs too. Got it...👍 Checked and the bundle is V7. Needs WUP. Aside from this, there is the whole strugle which Waves Version is the right one etc. Much easier with any other company I dealt with. For my System there would be two possibilities...etc.
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Waves
Oct 21, 2020 10:20:47 GMT -6
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Post by the other mark williams on Oct 21, 2020 10:20:47 GMT -6
IME, you generally only get caught in a lurch with having to pay WUP when a major change has occurred. For me, it all coincided with the move to 64-bit OS/DAW/plugins. That's why none of my older Waves plugs would work. I finally decided to pay WUP (during a sale) just to get all my Waves plugs back under the same version and working again. Most of them I don't use. But some of them are still quite good, IMO: the ones that aren't trying to emulate anything specific, like SuperTap, RenAxx, H-Delay, etc. Also, the newest DeEsser ("Sibilance") is really good IMO.
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Post by superwack on Oct 21, 2020 12:55:12 GMT -6
People are so confused by WUP which is probably by design. As mentioned you only ever need to pay it for 3 reasons. (1) if you upgrade OS and the Waves version you have doesn’t support it - something that happened to a lot of us Apple guys when macOS went 64 bit only and (2) you have a bundle that they have added a bunch of plugins to and you want those or (3) you want to sell your waves. Which you’ll get next to nothing for so it almost would never be worth it.
Not only should you wait for a sale on WUP you should buy it from a 3rd party like audiodeluxe or whoever and save even more. Also what I’ve done instead is to wait for a bundle/upgrade sale and parlayed my old, non-WUP’d bundle to something better. This is why I always grab the free waves plugins offered from time to time - even if they just sit in my account unused. Waves had a 60% off bundle sale and I upgraded my silver + a couple of free ones to Gold for $17 through audio deluxe so I got a couple of more plugins and a year of WUP and the latest versions.
Having said all that this whole V12 thing chaps my hide since it’s not been that long since V11 and it really offers nothing but resizing so I’m pretty much done with them BUT my before mentioned Gold Bundle is eligible for a free V12 so at least I’ll have those for years
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Waves
Oct 21, 2020 15:48:02 GMT -6
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Post by svart on Oct 21, 2020 15:48:02 GMT -6
The wup did me ok after all. Not only were all the plugs on sale, they gave me a "buy 100$ worth and we'll give you two free plugs", then they gave me credit for the wup costs towards another plugin.
I got like 5 plugs for the price of two on sale plus the wup cost, so like 5 for 3.
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Post by the other mark williams on Oct 21, 2020 15:48:48 GMT -6
[...] Having said all that this whole V12 thing chaps my hide since it’s not been that long since V11 and it really offers nothing but resizing so I’m pretty much done with them BUT my before mentioned Gold Bundle is eligible for a free V12 so at least I’ll have those for years (emphasis mine.) Unless v12 won't work with Apple Silicon. I could see a world where Waves doesn't get their shit together on Apple Silicon for awhile, and then they make v13 the first compatible version, and everybody has to WUP to get ALL their Waves products back. I hope I'm wrong. Again, I don't use these plugins on every mix, I just like knowing that they're available in my folder to use sometimes as, you know, I've paid for them in years past and all. Sometimes the specific attack/release curve of the CLA-2A is exactly what I'm looking for.
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Post by ericn on Oct 22, 2020 8:33:14 GMT -6
[...] Having said all that this whole V12 thing chaps my hide since it’s not been that long since V11 and it really offers nothing but resizing so I’m pretty much done with them BUT my before mentioned Gold Bundle is eligible for a free V12 so at least I’ll have those for years (emphasis mine.) Unless v12 won't work with Apple Silicon. I could see a world where Waves doesn't get their shit together on Apple Silicon for awhile, and then they make v13 the first compatible version, and everybody has to WUP to get ALL their Waves products back. I hope I'm wrong. Again, I don't use these plugins on every mix, I just like knowing that they're available in my folder to use sometimes as, you know, I've paid for them in years past and all. Sometimes the specific attack/release curve of the CLA-2A is exactly what I'm looking for. Waves, Apple major update / changes, you know your not wrong.
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Post by Ward on Oct 22, 2020 9:29:52 GMT -6
Waves, Apple major update / changes, you know your not wrong. There's a reason many of us in the audio/music world steer clear of updates until they're proven debugged. Because you can lose your work and your ability to work! Tread carefully - it's like a landmine.
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Post by superwack on Oct 22, 2020 10:07:15 GMT -6
[...] Having said all that this whole V12 thing chaps my hide since it’s not been that long since V11 and it really offers nothing but resizing so I’m pretty much done with them BUT my before mentioned Gold Bundle is eligible for a free V12 so at least I’ll have those for years (emphasis mine.) Unless v12 won't work with Apple Silicon. I could see a world where Waves doesn't get their shit together on Apple Silicon for awhile, and then they make v13 the first compatible version, and everybody has to WUP to get ALL their Waves products back. I hope I'm wrong. Again, I don't use these plugins on every mix, I just like knowing that they're available in my folder to use sometimes as, you know, I've paid for them in years past and all. Sometimes the specific attack/release curve of the CLA-2A is exactly what I'm looking for. I share your dystopian view of Apple silicon and compatibility but it’s even worse for me as a pro tools user. We all know Avid won’t figure that mess out til 2038 😂
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Post by kilroyrock on Oct 22, 2020 13:19:00 GMT -6
I will say they've updated their updater manager thing and it's a lot better than it used to be. If you're not in the current version they have a side menu that will get you to what version you need. It used to mess up my system when I'd update, but it's fixed. I also do windows, and my waves plugs work from any year post AAX so far.
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Waves
Oct 23, 2020 4:23:45 GMT -6
Post by kcatthedog on Oct 23, 2020 4:23:45 GMT -6
hmm ,, Waves wants 4 gigs of space but I only want one plug in: sigh ,,,
a typical waves experience where I fuck around for about a while trying to get loaded etc and there is always a problem: who cares ?
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Post by Ward on Oct 23, 2020 6:01:57 GMT -6
hmm ,, Waves wants 4 gigs of space but I only want one plug in: sigh ,,, a typical waves experience where I fuck around for about a while trying to get loaded etc and there is always a problem: who cares ? You can't negotiate with software. It's like programmers RAM demands. "It says he's got 16gb, good let's use 15! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH" Remember when 32MB of RAM in Logic Audio meant you could run heaps of stuff simultaneously without latency lags etc? And things are supposed to be improving? Sometimes I think we're being sold a heap of lies . . . (any reference to a political debate is pure coincidence)
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