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Post by terryrocks on Oct 18, 2020 13:12:26 GMT -6
I like my kemper, but I wish I could get a realistic room sound. It’s probably just my lack of reverb skills. Wondering how others achieve usable results
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Post by svart on Oct 18, 2020 16:06:06 GMT -6
I turned off the room emulation on my axe3 because it didn't sound right either.
I generally do a small ambient reverb or a small and quick slap delay and that works well enough in a mix.
One more thing is eq. I could never get reverbs to sound right until I started eqing them. Cut the lows and highs a lot more than you think you need and then usually a couple cuts at the note harmonics.
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Post by the other mark williams on Oct 18, 2020 16:16:35 GMT -6
I love the room emulation on the Strymon Iridium. Surely there's someone that sells a Kemper "room pack" that sounds decent? In terms of reverb plugins: - there are some good IRs of small rooms out there for IR reverbs.
- Phoenixverb is maybe my favorite "real world" sounding verb. There are some great small verbs in there.
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Post by wiz on Oct 18, 2020 16:17:14 GMT -6
I turned off the room emulation on my axe3 because it didn't sound right either. I generally do a small ambient reverb or a small and quick slap delay and that works well enough in a mix. One more thing is eq. I could never get reverbs to sound right until I started eqing them. Cut the lows and highs a lot more than you think you need and then usually a couple cuts at the note harmonics. Yes filter verbs. Try 300 high pass and 3 k low pass on something to hear how it works
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Post by svart on Oct 18, 2020 16:35:50 GMT -6
I turned off the room emulation on my axe3 because it didn't sound right either. I generally do a small ambient reverb or a small and quick slap delay and that works well enough in a mix. One more thing is eq. I could never get reverbs to sound right until I started eqing them. Cut the lows and highs a lot more than you think you need and then usually a couple cuts at the note harmonics. Yes filter verbs. Try 300 high pass and 3 k low pass on something to hear how it works That's close to what I do. Just above the mud, just below the fizz.
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Post by gwlee7 on Oct 18, 2020 16:58:39 GMT -6
I love the room emulation on the Strymon Iridium. Surely there's someone that sells a Kemper "room pack" that sounds decent? In terms of reverb plugins: - there are some good IRs of small rooms out there for IR reverbs.
- Phoenixverb is maybe my favorite "real world" sounding verb. There are some great small verbs in there.
I took a different tack. I bought a strymon Flint reverb/tremolo combo and use that with my Iridium. The room sounds on the iridium are dine though.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2020 17:04:16 GMT -6
Tube plugins, close mic ir with a typical guitar amp mic like a shure, varimus, utility verb, and fake room mics.
Free Shattered Glass and Variety is Sound, Cheap Klanghelm and Fuse plugs, a ton of free irs, and many verbs can make it sit. Avoid plugins with minimum phase oversampling. This is even more important than heavy aliasing because you don’t want it to be totally out of phase with what you blend it in with even if you’re using rough rider or reaper plugs.
this can work: 1) Compress the amp sim with a varimu pre ir. Maybe post ir. Whatever. Just try to make it simulate a real driver thermally compressing 2) very slight utility verb blended in parallel after the ir. Use whatever you like that works with the room. 3) tube plugins. Go to town. Sdrr is cool. Shattered glass is cool. Fuse is cool. Black box is cool. Even the voxengo stuff can be good enough. Use a Varimu here maybe too. Works. Mjuc is great for this. 4) stick everything in the mix in a room reverb compatible with the ir verb. This is your fake room mic. Maybe A fake room mic just one for guitars? Use a predelay. Appropriate wetness. This is a separate track of course. 5)Nuke fake room mic with phase linear compressor of choice. Transformer emulation is fine. You just need to avoid minimum phase oversampling. Sorry Presswerk and DDMF magic death eye. The air gives you away. 6) Blend it all in. Stick everything, including the non guitar tracks, in a room reverb. Blend that in.
Sometimes this works, sometimes it doesn’t. Sometimes only nice reverb works, sometimes you need something hazy Like Valhalla and sometimes you need a trash can. Whatever works works. It varies production by production and blending in the fake stuff with the actually recorded stuff.
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Post by Ward on Oct 18, 2020 19:02:37 GMT -6
The more i play through one . . .
the less I like it.
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Post by drbill on Oct 18, 2020 19:38:02 GMT -6
Turn the internal reverb off and run it into a Bricasti. Dial up Studio A. Mix to taste. Done.
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Post by drbill on Oct 18, 2020 19:52:15 GMT -6
PS - going thru ZOD IDDI's and into Coil CA70S's before hitting the Bricasti would be mega cool. It's how I do my Iridium tracked guitars....
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Post by terryrocks on Oct 18, 2020 20:06:08 GMT -6
I won’t be buying a bricasti, but I am contemplating demoing seventh heaven
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Post by donr on Oct 18, 2020 20:12:43 GMT -6
With just the Kemper, find a profile that sounds the most spatially realistic to you and try that cab with other amps. Otherwise try a room reverb with it.
I like using the Kemper with the Two-Notes Torpedo for the cab, mic and room adjustments possible. With the Two-Notes and also the AxeFX III, moving the mics further back from the cab may add all the space info you need.
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Post by Johnkenn on Oct 18, 2020 20:16:03 GMT -6
I think the room verb sounds pretty damn good in the Axe FX III
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Post by donr on Oct 18, 2020 20:17:23 GMT -6
I think the room verb sounds pretty damn good in the Axe FX III Agreed. It's easy to hear it what sounds like a real space.
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Post by drbill on Oct 18, 2020 20:21:50 GMT -6
I won’t be buying a bricasti, but I am contemplating demoing seventh heaven That could do it. I've heard good things.... Try the rooms, and salt to taste. Studio A is like a miracle drug for me. I'll put it over entire mixes during mastering sometimes. Makes everything that goes thru it "come more alive".
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Post by ericn on Oct 18, 2020 20:44:15 GMT -6
PS - going thru ZOD IDDI's and into Coil CA70S's before hitting the Bricasti would be mega cool. It's how I do my Iridium tracked guitars.... I was about to say Bricasti!
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Post by EmRR on Oct 19, 2020 10:40:26 GMT -6
PS - going thru ZOD IDDI's and into Coil CA70S's before hitting the Bricasti would be mega cool. It's how I do my Iridium tracked guitars.... Y’all know if you just pull the 6J7 grid cap on the CA-70 and make a grid cap to 1/4” adapter you have a tube DI right there already? Maybe that’s inside and you can’t get to it.
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Post by drbill on Oct 19, 2020 11:02:26 GMT -6
PS - going thru ZOD IDDI's and into Coil CA70S's before hitting the Bricasti would be mega cool. It's how I do my Iridium tracked guitars.... Y’all know if you just pull the 6J7 grid cap on the CA-70 and make a grid cap to 1/4” adapter you have a tube DI right there already? Maybe that’s inside and you can’t get to it. Haha! Sweet!!! That's above my pay grade though....
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Post by Guitar on Oct 19, 2020 12:35:10 GMT -6
I usually rely on IR reverbs for a roomy sound with a sim amp, something like Altiverb, Waves IR-1. But I also agree that the Exponential Audio ones work well too. Maybe some Eventide T Verb once in a while. You could use the same idea on a miked up real amp. I have not demo'd the UA Ocean Way or the IK Sunset Sound, but those also seem like things that could work.
It's a dragon that I chase sometimes, but there are other times when I want the most direct, annoying, in your grill kind of sound possible.
Guess I finally realized the value of room reverb sounds, to put it simply. I am listening to The Doors right now and there is a ton of verb on every instrument in the mix. The self titled album. It doesn't sound like microphones, it sounds added.
Also noticed that fuzz tone plus reverb is a big Jimmy Page sound. I used to sort of forget the reverb and focus on the fuzz, but I'm catching it more now.
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Post by ericn on Oct 19, 2020 15:02:27 GMT -6
Y’all know if you just pull the 6J7 grid cap on the CA-70 and make a grid cap to 1/4” adapter you have a tube DI right there already? Maybe that’s inside and you can’t get to it. Haha! Sweet!!! That's above my pay grade though.... Wait , now hold on a second am I to understand we can get paid for this shit? I tell you it’s been so long, I mean I had 10 toes back then.
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Post by 79sg on Oct 20, 2020 7:46:57 GMT -6
Have you tried "Space" under reverb in the Kemper? Designed to be reflections in a small neutral sounding room.
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Post by Martin John Butler on Oct 20, 2020 8:04:20 GMT -6
The 7th Heaven does a damn good job of Bricasti emulation. Phoenix Verb does a good real room sound, UAD's Ocean Way puts you in that room. If it's a Fender sound, you can use some plug-in spring reverb.
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Post by terryrocks on Oct 20, 2020 8:16:44 GMT -6
I have Nimbus already, but didn’t have much luck getting it to sound great as an insert on the kemper dry track. Of course, I only spent 15min tweaking it
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Post by terryrocks on Oct 23, 2020 16:54:32 GMT -6
Downloaded two notes wall of sound. Sounding pretty good to my ears right now.
Thanks Don!
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Post by indiehouse on Oct 23, 2020 20:12:10 GMT -6
The 7th Heaven does a damn good job of Bricasti emulation. Did you get a Bricasti to compare?
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