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Post by tasteliketape on Oct 15, 2020 18:53:01 GMT -6
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Post by Blackdawg on Oct 15, 2020 19:27:39 GMT -6
fuck me. That's awesome.
But damn expensive too haha bet it's awesome though.
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Post by Blackdawg on Oct 15, 2020 20:07:40 GMT -6
Also looks like Brad has had a hand in helping with something as well with it. I spy the spaceman logo on the back. Metal work perhaps?
Also this will be a good model for them to go one. Develop 500 units, then just rack them up and sell them as rack units. Just like what Brad did with the Chroma too now that I think about it..
Still cool though.
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Post by Quint on Oct 15, 2020 20:10:40 GMT -6
Also looks like Brad has had a hand in helping with something as well with it. I spy the spaceman logo on the back. Metal work perhaps? Also this will be a good model for them to go one. Develop 500 units, then just rack them up and sell them as rack units. Just like what Brad did with the Chroma too now that I think about it.. Still cool though. I think I remember reading that Brad was involved in the power supply or something.
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Post by svart on Oct 15, 2020 20:18:02 GMT -6
Wow. I built my stereo LA3A for like 400$, the majority of that being the transformers from hairball.
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Post by Ward on Oct 15, 2020 20:39:07 GMT -6
2 Gs for two LA3as isn't bad considering The current licensees of the UA name charge over $3 Gs for two of their LA3a recreations. And you all know the audioscape is going sound like Bill Putnam Sr was in the room . . . and still be an upgrade over the original!
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Post by audioscape on Oct 16, 2020 17:08:45 GMT -6
Thanks for starting this thread!!! Appreciate the HELL out of it, as always!
I actually prefer excited customers starting these threads as opposed to us doing some cheesy announcement thread - although, sometimes that IS necessary but with OG e-mail blasts and socials being so prominent, word gets around REALLY quickly hahaha.
The D3A DUAL LEVELING AMPLIFIER is just as it sounds. A 1RU, Stereo/Dual-Mono rackmount version of the 'V3A' - but with an added twist!
So, the D3A DUAL uses Brad's new HyperMatter™ PSU Design & Chassis (as mentioned above - this is the same chassis and power supply found in the Louder than Liftoff "Chroma+" rackmount unit - we're SUPER STOKED to have an exclusive partnership with Louder than Liftoff and can't thank them or Brad enough!
Honestly, after first hearing the V3A utilizing Brad's HypmerMatter™ Power Supply/Design, we knew we FINALLY had a solution for the 1RU Rack version of the 3A 👍🤘
POWER SUPPLIES/Design and their impact on overall sonics is SO oft overlooked by engineers and gear-builders/brands alike... but it's LITERALLY what you're hearing...basically. Hahaha
As Brad McGowan from LTL puts it regarding the HyperMater PSU - "It renders dynamic sound with revealing detail, dimension, and gut-punching authority."
Couldn't have said it better myself!
TL;DR - the HyperMatter PSU & Chassis is NOT a "low-budget" affair, hence the appropriate pricing 😜😂👌
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Post by john on Oct 16, 2020 17:10:18 GMT -6
2 Gs for two LA3as isn't bad considering The current licensees of the UA name charge over $3 Gs for two of their LA3a recreations. And you all know the audioscape is going sound like Bill Putnam Sr was in the room . . . and still be an upgrade over the original! wow.
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Post by drbill on Oct 16, 2020 19:37:24 GMT -6
Super excited to see the melding of the HMPS / Chassis and AS 3a's. It's almost like a long extinct dinosaur has been found and brought back to life - and improved. AWESOME AS!!
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Post by Blackdawg on Oct 16, 2020 19:41:23 GMT -6
Wonder how they will compare to the jlm Mac opto.
Was thinking a 76F would be my next purchase from audioscape but I'm a sucker for la3as so love this.
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Post by BradM on Oct 16, 2020 19:53:31 GMT -6
Also looks like Brad has had a hand in helping with something as well with it. I spy the spaceman logo on the back. Metal work perhaps? Also this will be a good model for them to go one. Develop 500 units, then just rack them up and sell them as rack units. Just like what Brad did with the Chroma too now that I think about it.. Still cool though. Hi, As Chris just mentioned (or is that you, Charlie?), Audioscape is using our Hypermatter PSU that we developed for Chroma+. I'm really excited about this partnership and look foward to getting my hands on a D3A for my own studio. I'm a huge fan of the LA3A. At NAMM last year when Chris and Charlie showed me a prototype V3A the gears began turning. It wasn't long after that we set in motion a plan to bring a dual channel, chainable, rackmount LA3A to fruition. I'm stoked that this thing is now a reality and can't wait for you all to try it. Big thanks to the guys at Audioscape for giving me the opportunity to be a part of the wonderful work they are doing. I look forward to more exciting collaborations in the future with my friends! Cheers, Brad
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Post by svart on Oct 17, 2020 0:09:09 GMT -6
Part of the LA3A sound is the power supply, you are right about that, but change that and you don't have a true LA3A sound anymore.
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Post by Ward on Oct 17, 2020 11:00:47 GMT -6
Thanks for starting this thread!!! Appreciate the HELL out of it, as always! I actually prefer excited customers starting these threads as opposed to us doing some cheesy announcement thread - although, sometimes that IS necessary but with OG e-mail blasts and socials being so prominent, word gets around REALLY quickly hahaha. The D3A DUAL LEVELING AMPLIFIER is just as it sounds. A 1RU, Stereo/Dual-Mono rackmount version of the 'V3A' - but with an added twist! So, the D3A DUAL uses Brad's new HyperMatter™ PSU Design & Chassis (as mentioned above - this is the same chassis and power supply found in the Louder than Liftoff "Chroma+" rackmount unit - we're SUPER STOKED to have an exclusive partnership with Louder than Liftoff and can't thank them or Brad enough! Honestly, after first hearing the V3A utilizing Brad's HypmerMatter™ Power Supply/Design, we knew we FINALLY had a solution for the 1RU Rack version of the 3A 👍🤘 POWER SUPPLIES/Design and their impact on overall sonics is SO oft overlooked by engineers and gear-builders/brands alike... but it's LITERALLY what you're hearing...basically. Hahaha As Brad McGowan from LTL puts it regarding the HyperMater PSU - "It renders dynamic sound with revealing detail, dimension, and gut-punching authority." Couldn't have said it better myself! TL;DR - the HyperMatter PSU & Chassis is NOT a "low-budget" affair, hence the appropriate pricing 😜😂👌 #ASAF Super excited to see the melding of the HMPS / Chassis and AS 3a's. It's almost like a long extinct dinosaur has been found and brought back to life - and improved. AWESOME AS!! Again that is #ASAF and OG ASAF.
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Post by drbill on Oct 17, 2020 11:13:38 GMT -6
svart - That point is certainly valid, but...... My experience with "better power" in virtually anything that I've had upgraded is that better power gives me a punchier, more aggressive, more clear version of exactly the essence of the piece of gear in question. In other words - it makes the piece sound more like the piece in question rather than throwing a blanket over it and making it sound like an inferior version with the same DNA. That's my take. I'd pretty much trust that Audio-Scape Chris and Charlie did their listening homework and chose wisely. They have a booming business to protect, and their attention to detail is - IMO - one of the current best. If they chose this power supply combo over developing one of their own after testing and listening....I'd call it good as I have heard the HM PS - first hand. It's just my opinion though, as I have still not heard the AS 3a first hand - YET. (Charlie? ) I do know that the HyperMatter™ power supply (IMO) in the Chroma + with 1176 inserts kicks a$$ on the same modules with identical inserts on standard 500 racks/supplies - all other things being equal. That's my opinion - and I have owned or own almost all the 500 rack suspects. I have both Chroma and Chroma + modules to compare between. And the Hyper Matter power supply is essentially the only difference. Getting a GREAT 500 rack and power supply is of utmost importance when going 500. If you go cheap, you will not net top performance out of your 500 modules. Power is of the essence (which I know you agree with). audioscape - I'd love to hear your testing thoughts on this subject! Thx!
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Post by audioscape on Oct 17, 2020 15:11:33 GMT -6
svart - That point is certainly valid, but...... My experience with "better power" in virtually anything that I've had upgraded is that better power gives me a punchier, more aggressive, more clear version of exactly the essence of the piece of gear in question. In other words - it makes the piece sound more like the piece in question rather than throwing a blanket over it and making it sound like an inferior version with the same DNA. That's my take. I'd pretty much trust that Audio-Scape Chris and Charlie did their listening homework and chose wisely. They have a booming business to protect, and their attention to detail is - IMO - one of the current best. If they chose this power supply combo over developing one of their own after testing and listening....I'd call it good as I have heard the HM PS - first hand. It's just my opinion though, as I have still not heard the AS 3a first hand - YET. (Charlie? ) I do know that the HyperMatter™ power supply (IMO) in the Chroma + with 1176 inserts kicks a$$ on the same modules with identical inserts on standard 500 racks/supplies - all other things being equal. That's my opinion - and I have owned or own almost all the 500 rack suspects. I have both Chroma and Chroma + modules to compare between. And the Hyper Matter power supply is essentially the only difference. Getting a GREAT 500 rack and power supply is of utmost importance when going 500. If you go cheap, you will not net top performance out of your 500 modules. Power is of the essence (which I know you agree with). audioscape - I'd love to hear your testing thoughts on this subject! Thx! +1 to ALL of this, Bill! Especially this bit: "My experience with "better power" in virtually anything that I've had upgraded is that better power gives me a punchier, more aggressive, more clear version of exactly the essence of the piece of gear in question. In other words - it makes the piece sound more like the piece in question rather than throwing a blanket over it and making it sound like an inferior version with the same DNA." The D3A sounds fkn AMAZING... we definitely need to get you one after the hype settles down a bit . Power is indeed of the essence.... and honestly - we couldn't be more pleased with how the D3A turned out - thanks to Brad, his amazing HyperMatter™ PSU & Chassis (and the addition of the MEGA MONO CHANNEL SWITCH!) - we think many of you will be VERY pleased... And if you didn't know already - the D3A gets released TONIGHT at 8PM EST! 2nd New Product Release for this month with ONE MORE to go!!! ;-) Thanks all!!! P.S. - @bradm - yes, this is Charlie. Always and forever hahaha. I'm sure you're as excited as we are regarding future collabs! Match made in Heaven, IMO... <3
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Post by svart on Oct 17, 2020 15:48:45 GMT -6
svart - That point is certainly valid, but...... My experience with "better power" in virtually anything that I've had upgraded is that better power gives me a punchier, more aggressive, more clear version of exactly the essence of the piece of gear in question. In other words - it makes the piece sound more like the piece in question rather than throwing a blanket over it and making it sound like an inferior version with the same DNA. That's my take. I'd pretty much trust that Audio-Scape Chris and Charlie did their listening homework and chose wisely. They have a booming business to protect, and their attention to detail is - IMO - one of the current best. If they chose this power supply combo over developing one of their own after testing and listening....I'd call it good as I have heard the HM PS - first hand. It's just my opinion though, as I have still not heard the AS 3a first hand - YET. (Charlie? ) I do know that the HyperMatter™ power supply (IMO) in the Chroma + with 1176 inserts kicks a$$ on the same modules with identical inserts on standard 500 racks/supplies - all other things being equal. That's my opinion - and I have owned or own almost all the 500 rack suspects. I have both Chroma and Chroma + modules to compare between. And the Hyper Matter power supply is essentially the only difference. Getting a GREAT 500 rack and power supply is of utmost importance when going 500. If you go cheap, you will not net top performance out of your 500 modules. Power is of the essence (which I know you agree with). audioscape - I'd love to hear your testing thoughts on this subject! Thx! Well, I'll respectfully disagree. A sound is the sum of the parts of the design, and if you decide to change any piece, then it changes the sound, as I think we agree on here.. But it's no longer what made it special. Part of the spongy and soft knee'd LAxA sound is the power supply being taxed during compression. So it might sound "better" to some, I'd much rather have the original soft response which is part of what made it special, which is also why I don't understand the logic here.. "improving" the design gets it further away from the LA3A sound, but they also want 2k$ for a device that isn't an LA3A anymore? Doesn't make any sense to me.
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 17, 2020 23:34:05 GMT -6
I think the Audioscape approach to quality design, parts and build speaks for itself.
With all due respect for quality diy, there is always the time spent difference, the no warranty and no demo, no return difference and the no need to cover your costs and make a living and make your business viable differences either.
Buying a quality made to order piece should cost a certain cost given the above.
A single channel bla bluey 76a built, retails at $899, a hairball 76 DIY kit at $600, don’t know that the AS price for 2 3a racked with stereo linking is really out of whack?
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Post by svart on Oct 18, 2020 8:37:54 GMT -6
I think the Audioscape approach to quality design, parts and build speaks for itself. With all due respect for quality diy, there is always the time spent difference, the no warranty and no demo, no return difference and the no need to cover your costs and make a living and make your business viable differences either. Buying a quality made to order piece should cost a certain cost given the above. A single channel bla bluey 76a built, retails at $899, a hairball 76 DIY kit at $600, don’t know that the AS price for 2 3a racked with stereo linking is really out of whack? I don't doubt the quality at all, just the marketing strategy. I think audioscape has shown that they have good quality gear, but I also think that any company selling gear *better* have good gear as the normal course of operation.. I would have done a dual 3a with the usual modernizations at 1199$ and left out the super power supply as the 3a design doesn't require it IMHO. The main audio amp is quite average and low power, but the side chain needs a bit more current to generate the 90vac for the EL panel through the step-up autoformer. I know, because if you remember, I did some 3a boards and sold them on here and built my dual 3a out of them. I know every piece of the 3a design quite well. It's a common marketing mistake to predetermine a selling price and then use details like "upgraded power supply" to justify it. I think the better course should have been to offer the power supply as an upgrade for extra cost and have the authentic clone as the base model.
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Post by kcatthedog on Oct 18, 2020 9:18:17 GMT -6
Certainly accurate and fair comment.
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Post by drbill on Oct 18, 2020 11:16:29 GMT -6
I love how people on the internet speculate on design, parts, overall philosophy, etc. of manufacturers like they are the vp of design and/or marketing of the company. AS can (and obviously does) do as they wish. If a product is priced right or sounds great - it will sell. If it doesn't it won't. End of story. Pretty simple. Price seems a touch high to me, but certainly not out of line.
My comment about better power stands. In every thing that I have ever had modded with better power, it brings out the ESSENCE of the piece better. It's MORE chocolate, or BETTER steak, etc.. I don't see substandard power as a benefit in 99% of the cases. Maybe the 3a is the 1%? I have no idea. Haven't heard it yet. So really, speculation is kinda dumb isn't it?
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Post by svart on Oct 18, 2020 13:11:37 GMT -6
I love how people on the internet speculate on design, parts, overall philosophy, etc. of manufacturers like they are the vp of design and/or marketing of the company. AS can (and obviously does) do as they wish. If a product is priced right or sounds great - it will sell. If it doesn't it won't. End of story. Pretty simple. Price seems a touch high to me, but certainly not out of line. My comment about better power stands. In every thing that I have ever had modded with better power, it brings out the ESSENCE of the piece better. It's MORE chocolate, or BETTER steak, etc.. I don't see substandard power as a benefit in 99% of the cases. Maybe the 3a is the 1%? I have no idea. Haven't heard it yet. So really, speculation is kinda dumb isn't it? If you're taking about me, I've designed multiple full products in the commercial realm for multiple companies that have sold millions of dollars and kept hundreds of employees employed.. and I've been doing it for almost 20 years.. But what do I know, right? But anyway, I'd like to see audioscape make it big so my critique is actually free advice based on my years in design and manufacturing industry.
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Post by drbill on Oct 18, 2020 13:18:11 GMT -6
I love how people on the internet speculate on design, parts, overall philosophy, etc. of manufacturers like they are the vp of design and/or marketing of the company. AS can (and obviously does) do as they wish. If a product is priced right or sounds great - it will sell. If it doesn't it won't. End of story. Pretty simple. Price seems a touch high to me, but certainly not out of line. My comment about better power stands. In every thing that I have ever had modded with better power, it brings out the ESSENCE of the piece better. It's MORE chocolate, or BETTER steak, etc.. I don't see substandard power as a benefit in 99% of the cases. Maybe the 3a is the 1%? I have no idea. Haven't heard it yet. So really, speculation is kinda dumb isn't it? If you're taking about me, I've designed multiple full products in the commercial realm for multiple companies that have sold millions of dollars and kept hundreds of employees employed.. and I've been doing it for almost 20 years.. But what do I know, right? But anyway, my critique is actually free advice based on my years in design and manufacturing industry. Naw, I was speaking about armchair quarterbacks all over the internet. If it speaks to you, fine, if not, that's totally fine too. For those intent on telling companies how they should run their business - I say if you can do it better - DO IT BETTER. Make a million. Start your own company.
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Post by audioscape on Oct 18, 2020 13:54:26 GMT -6
Moving on in a more helpful way, let’s all be cool and enjoy the fact that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, good or bad - and we certainly respect that!
Every aspect of every product we create is carefully thought out and thought THROUGH.. most times we don’t know the final price of a new product until we’re nearly done with everything.
As far as the D3A goes, I can assure you as always that our margins are extremely tight, so much so that we actually make LESS on a D3A than we do on the sale of two V3A’s. But that’s neither here nor there.
D3A owners, we’d love to hear your feedback once they arrive!! 🤘😍❤️
Love to all... !!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2020 14:07:36 GMT -6
I don’t get the hate. Audioscape makes this stuff and delivers it. Not everyone has the hand eye coordination and time to build this stuff. I don’t trust myself to not screw up diy designs on my own now. I have RSI issues already. I don’t own audioscape gear because I’m saving slowly for a real ssl bus comp or daking fet 3 for the Auto time constants and spectrasonics 1964 complimiter over an 1176 because of bad clone and vintage experiences. If anyone wants something in a classic style that actually works and doesn’t want to pay out chandler money, audioscape is there for you to mash the refresh button on twice a week and get stuff that will destroy the ssl, 1176, and la2/3/4 plugins.
The most recent ssl plug hyped up on the purple site, the 5000 whatever, is packaged with Trojans.
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Post by tasteliketape on Oct 18, 2020 14:52:31 GMT -6
Nobody has a problem with people who assemble DIY stuff for profit. But these guys don't market their gear as commercialized versions of other people's designs. I'm sure they pay LTL to use their designs. Somehow I don't think they're paying those groupdiy designers for their work. You mean the diy guys who copied the original UA , Neve, Api, Gates ,etc etc in the first place? Are you talking about Chandler , Warm, Stam, Heritage,Bae, AML, Retro, weight tank, Capi, Golden Age , Audioscape, Purple audio etc etc etc ? So by your statement you only own diy or original manufactured gear. Can I ask if you like purple ?
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